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Dooply Doop
#19187571 - 11/25/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was thinking the other day how ironic it is. How in my current position, with almost everything going right, there is still an undercurrent of dissatisfaction with life. There is nothing more that I can want, truly. I have made good decisions and find myself in a wonderful position financially, emotionally, physically, socially.
And yet still, despite it all, life pokes and prods in the ways that it can at such stability. I just find it silly. Really silly. It doesn't seem to matter what one achieves or gains or overcomes. Life will find a way... to be a stinker
I guess what I'm getting at is that while I think it is worthwhile to try and make the best setting for yourself, be kind to others, make wise decisions, take responsibility for your actions and emotions, etc. In the end one should not expect a perfect outcome. Not even a great outcome.
I am reminded over and over again of that phrase, life shoots you with a thousand arrows, don't shoot yourself with the thousand and first. As good as it gets may well be getting shot by a thousand arrows
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Kickle]
#19187593 - 11/25/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find that if one can spend all their time shopping on Amazon and then waiting for deliveries that life takes on a certain rosy glow. But you have to work at it.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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I'm honing my fine electronics skillz, not as rosey but it still passes the time.
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Kickle] 1
#19187641 - 11/25/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Life does seem to be Dukkha. An inherent dissatisfaction with life no matter what we accomplish or do. 
It sucks. But I still smile a lot.
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: r72rock]
#19187647 - 11/25/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: r72rock]
#19187767 - 11/25/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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r72rock said: Life does seem to be Dukkha. An inherent dissatisfaction with life no matter what we accomplish or do. 
It sucks. But I still smile a lot. 
I'm constantly laughing and smiling... at other people. 
er I mean with
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Kickle]
#19187818 - 11/25/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I just find it silly. Really silly. It doesn't seem to matter what one achieves or gains or overcomes. Life will find a way... to be a stinker
We've all been sold a bill of goods concerning the "happiness thing." Happiness is not the goal of anything. If nature wanted us to be happy all the time, we'd be happy all the time.
In the same exact way that we piss and shit every day (or nearly every day). Nature intends for us to piss and shit regularly, so we do.
Imo, nature wants us to experience the whole ball of wax -- and if you live long enough, you will. You will experience everything.
Great happiness. Great misery. And everything in between.
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I didn't buy into everlasting happiness but that just means posts like this are easier to write up without feeling bad about it. The nature of our existence is still an arrow but I'm not shooting myself on top of it.
It would seem a lot worse if I expected it to be otherwise. Instead it seems silly.
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all this beauty said: We've all been sold a bill of goods concerning the "happiness thing." Happiness is not the goal of anything. If nature wanted us to be happy all the time, we'd be happy all the time.
I don't think it was something totally sold to us. Maybe you're talking about it as like a way of life, but happiness seems to be everyone's pursuit in one form or another. We seem to all strive towards happiness and avoid pain and suffering -- I'd argue that's most people's motivation for everything. But as the OP pointed out, we can strive for happiness all we want, but the bad still seems to poke it's ugly head out, no matter how happy we are or get.
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: r72rock]
#19190115 - 11/26/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Kickle]
#19190250 - 11/26/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think a good explanation is the spiritual pull. The restlessness or lack of inner peace as a result of deviation of mind from 'the truth'. So it nudges you to go forth and seek more. With inner peace, who would feel compelled to do anything. Adya said something like 'What's there to do once realized? Sitting around with a cosmic grin on your non-existent face, drooling and glassy-eyed?'
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: cbub]
#19190255 - 11/26/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds like fun
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: cbub]
#19190682 - 11/26/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cbub said: Adya said something like 'What's there to do once realized? Sitting around with a cosmic grin on your non-existent face, drooling and glassy-eyed?'
That was cool
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Kickle]
#19190765 - 11/26/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I was thinking the other day how ironic it is. How in my current position, with almost everything going right, there is still an undercurrent of dissatisfaction with life. There is nothing more that I can want, truly. I have made good decisions and find myself in a wonderful position financially, emotionally, physically, socially.
And yet still, despite it all, life pokes and prods in the ways that it can at such stability. I just find it silly. Really silly. It doesn't seem to matter what one achieves or gains or overcomes. Life will find a way... to be a stinker
I guess what I'm getting at is that while I think it is worthwhile to try and make the best setting for yourself, be kind to others, make wise decisions, take responsibility for your actions and emotions, etc. In the end one should not expect a perfect outcome. Not even a great outcome.
I am reminded over and over again of that phrase, life shoots you with a thousand arrows, don't shoot yourself with the thousand and first. As good as it gets may well be getting shot by a thousand arrows 
Kickle I Don't Want A Pickle, I have tried to remind you over and over again No Good Deed Goes Unpunished. When will you learn about the dark side?
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Kickle]
#19190836 - 11/26/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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One thing I've noticed is that my level of satisfaction depends to a disturbing degree on the way people around me are living. If my coworker gets a very nice car, I'm jealous. If I have the best car, I'm satisfied- knowing others somewhere else have better cars doesn't detract from this. But, knowing that there are starving africans with no cars doesn't make me feel any better, for some reason. I care about those immediately around me, but not those far removed.
The disturbing consequence is that as you move up the economic ladder and into nicer homes and richer circles, you will constantly feel inadequate. An interesting problem.
Would I be happier if everyone was starving and I had adequate food but otherwise lived a paltry existance? Its disturbing to think about.
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: r72rock]
#19190918 - 11/26/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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all this beauty said: We've all been sold a bill of goods concerning the "happiness thing." Happiness is not the goal of anything. If nature wanted us to be happy all the time, we'd be happy all the time.
I don't think it was something totally sold to us. Maybe you're talking about it as like a way of life, but happiness seems to be everyone's pursuit in one form or another. We seem to all strive towards happiness and avoid pain and suffering -- I'd argue that's most people's motivation for everything. But as the OP pointed out, we can strive for happiness all we want, but the bad still seems to poke it's ugly head out, no matter how happy we are or get.
I agree with you. It's natural for us to strive toward happiness and away from pain and suffering.
I guess what I'm suggesting is that a permanent state of happiness is not / should not be considered the "goal" of a healthy and spiritually rewarding existence. Any spiritual path that holds out the promise of perpetual happiness is, in my opinion, a crock of shit.
One can, I think, experience a steady and underlying contentment with the world. One in which there's an ongoing sense that despite the trials and tribulations, all is okay. That you are fundamentally safe. That the world is fine, just as it is.
In my better moments, I experience that -- even when I'm sad and miserable.
I bet many or most people reading here experience that at one time or the other, too.
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all this beauty said:
Any spiritual path that holds out the promise of perpetual happiness is, in my opinion, a crock of shit.
One can, I think, experience a steady and underlying contentment with the world. One in which there's an ongoing sense that despite the trials and tribulations, all is okay. That you are fundamentally safe. That the world is fine, just as it is.
In my better moments, I experience that -- even when I'm sad and miserable.
I bet many or most people reading here experience that at one time or the other, too.
I like that
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Kickle] 1
#19195890 - 11/27/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I guess what I'm getting at is that while I think it is worthwhile to try and make the best setting for yourself, be kind to others, make wise decisions, take responsibility for your actions and emotions, etc. In the end one should not expect a perfect outcome. Not even a great outcome.

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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Chronic7]
#19200434 - 11/28/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This dissatisfaction with life may be a bit of a barrier when it comes to finding true contentment, but perhaps we are missing the point? I doubt mother nature ever intended for us to be content. The need to strive more is probably a result of evolution. Our need to be better, know more, have more etc has aided our survival. But as with everything there needs to be a balance, otherwise this mechanism which has driven the evolution of human society for so long may very well be our undoing.
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Re: Dooply Doop [Re: Kickle] 1
#19201786 - 11/28/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I didn't buy into everlasting happiness but that just means posts like this are easier to write up without feeling bad about it. The nature of our existence is still an arrow but I'm not shooting myself on top of it.
It would seem a lot worse if I expected it to be otherwise. Instead it seems silly.
To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune, Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles, And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep No more; and by a sleep, to say we end The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks That Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep, To sleep, perchance to Dream; Aye, there's the rub, For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come, When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause. There's the respect That makes Calamity of so long life: For who would bear the Whips and Scorns of time, The Oppressor's wrong, the proud man's Contumely, The pangs of despised Love, the Law’s delay, The insolence of Office, and the Spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, When he himself might his Quietus make With a bare Bodkin? Who would Fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after death, The undiscovered Country, from whose bourn No Traveller returns, Puzzles the will, And makes us rather bear those ills we have, Than fly to others that we know not of. Thus Conscience does make Cowards of us all, And thus the Native hue of Resolution Is sicklied o'er, with the pale cast of Thought, And enterprises of great pitch and moment, With this regard their Currents turn awry, And lose the name of Action. Soft you now, The fair Ophelia? Nymph, in thy Orisons Be all my sins remembered.
- Hamlet, Act III, scene I
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