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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: koraks]
    #19185517 - 11/25/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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koraks said:
It's still a crucial question; It think you missed the point. The e-book version is just $7 less than the paper version, so you obviously pay for the contents, not the book. And I wasn't saying that the lack of a digital search in a paper book reduces its value; I was questioning the value of pre-assembled information (in paper or digital form) without any added new information if you can easily search millions or original sources using a search engine. Also, the fact that you can steal or 'borrow' information free of charge is not what I'm talking about.

So the question still stands, but thanks for offering your observation.




What i was saying is that it doesn't matter whether the information is pre-assembled. Information is now a keystroke away, if there happens to be a structure provided, so much the better.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: healing] * 2
    #19185519 - 11/25/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So what is the value of a book that only assembles information that is already available in original sources, without adding anything new?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: koraks]
    #19185527 - 11/25/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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koraks said:
So what is the value of a book that only assembles information that is already available in original sources, without adding anything new?




Artistic merit? Making it reverse compatible with old people?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: healing] * 1
    #19185528 - 11/25/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Backwards compatibility with backwards people :lol:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: koraks]
    #19185531 - 11/25/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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koraks said:
Backwards compatibility with backwards people :lol:




Trying to tie this thread together? Compiling something useful from all the noise?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: healing] * 2
    #19185533 - 11/25/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Recovering a sliver of gold from a huge pile of crap?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: healing] * 1
    #19185608 - 11/25/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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healing said:


What i was saying is that it doesn't matter whether the information is pre-assembled. Information is now a keystroke away, if there happens to be a structure provided, so much the better.




This isn't true at all.  The fact that all the information is readily available is irrelevant.  It's tracking down the info, sorting it, and interpreting it that is the difficult part.

Nowadays, there's so much information, identifying the relevant stuff is more critical than ever.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: badchad]
    #19185626 - 11/25/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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badchad said:
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healing said:


What i was saying is that it doesn't matter whether the information is pre-assembled. Information is now a keystroke away, if there happens to be a structure provided, so much the better.




This isn't true at all.  The fact that all the information is readily available is irrelevant.  It's tracking down the info, sorting it, and interpreting it that is the difficult part.

Nowadays, there's so much information, identifying the relevant stuff is more critical than ever.




Did you look at the book?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: healing]
    #19185634 - 11/25/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I looked at the table of contents and saw probably 20+ authors.  Assuming they are knowledgeable and/or experts in their respective fields, I'm sure their time is valuable.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: badchad]
    #19185656 - 11/25/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is no justification for a book that expensive no matter how you try and twist it.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: badchad]
    #19185681 - 11/25/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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badchad said:
I looked at the table of contents and saw probably 20+ authors.  Assuming they are knowledgeable and/or experts in their respective fields, I'm sure their time is valuable.




I don't care about the cost of the book. The book is a compilation of scientific articles related to consciousness. It's like someone did a google scholar search, chose the best articles and compiled them into a book.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: healing]
    #19185686 - 11/25/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

But is it? Or is there, as badchad suggested earlier, value in selecting, assembling, combining and indexing information? How much value exactly, compared to creating new information?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: badchad]
    #19185795 - 11/25/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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badchad said:
Quote:

healing said:


What i was saying is that it doesn't matter whether the information is pre-assembled. Information is now a keystroke away, if there happens to be a structure provided, so much the better.




This isn't true at all.  The fact that all the information is readily available is irrelevant.  It's tracking down the info, sorting it, and interpreting it that is the difficult part.

Nowadays, there's so much information, identifying the relevant stuff is more critical than ever.



:thumbup: +5 :mushroom2: can't believe I hadn't rated you until just now


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: morrowasted]
    #19185829 - 11/25/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

uhh pirating is illegal guys


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19185969 - 11/25/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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akira_akuma said:
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zappaisgod said:
Everybody gets a chance.  Nosuystem will ever work for everyone.  Some people are useless pieces of shit.  If anything, America is pandering to far too many useless pieces of shit.  Some people are assholes.  That is a fact.  If anything, the pandering to assholes has created more assholes.




well, that is exactly how America is fucked up.

peeps like Envix don't get a chance because of those people. you can't just lump anyone who isn't having an easy time in America as being "one of those idiots". sometimes it's because of those idiots, that people have to struggle.

:shrug:




How did he not get a chance?  Since when is it the purview of a government to provide everything for everyone, Komrade?  How did that work out?




BLAME EVERYTHING ON RUSSIA DAMN VIETNAMESE BASTARDS RESPECT MA AUTHOROTEH I FOUGHT IN DAT WAR BWOI SO SMD YOU DIRTY COMMIES:oldman:

I like your post-style, always the same old shit.


Edited by Beanhead (11/25/13 09:02 AM)


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Beanhead]
    #19186061 - 11/25/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If the E-book is that expensive though all it does is create a second hand market for the book and the e-book price never goes down.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #19186173 - 11/25/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

dont ILLEGALLY obtain this book through a DOWNLOAD from a torrent site, because this rips OFF the authors. its akin to a PIRATE taking goods off a merchant ship, and heading to the BAY to bury his plunder.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19186204 - 11/25/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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hidenseek1 said:
dont ILLEGALLY obtain this book through a DOWNLOAD from a torrent site, because this rips OFF the authors. its akin to a PIRATE taking goods off a merchant ship, and heading to the BAY to bury his plunder.



:laugh2:
I'd never do something like that, it's illegal and immoral.

For those of you who already have paid $800 for a real copy, I did see an ebook version available on the pirate bay. I think it's legal to get a virtual copy if you already own the hard copy. Could be wrong on that, though. It would sure be a lot easier to read it on your laptop than to lug your 1400 page 2 volume set around :smile:.

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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19186227 - 11/25/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Didn't read the rest of this thread

http://thepiratebay.sx/search/Encyclopedia%20of%20Consciousness/0/99/0

There you go OP.......Don't have too much fun


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: mylfgur]
    #19186233 - 11/25/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Last time I bought an expenisve book for fun, I figured it was too technical and now it collects dust.

"Color in hallucinations is a function of the drug and its dosage. Participants saw warm reds, oranges, and
yellows on LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline; somber blues on marijuana and uninspiring blacks, whites, and shades of
gray on amphetamine and sedatives.
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