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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19187033 - 11/25/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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although i do think that humans have actually started to kill themselves off reasonably early.




You make a really strong case. :rolleyes:






We have good help but are low on ammo.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: Icelander]
    #19187044 - 11/25/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Notice on the population chart that the 50,000,000 lives lost in WWII barely put a dent in the curve.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19187077 - 11/25/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know it sounds paradoxical, but i think that the towering birth rate is actually a sign that we are starting to kill ourselves off. These kind of things are what i mean. More births = more consumption, more draining of resources- without resources humans will die out, more climate change, more tension over resources- more likely for wars to develop and so on. At some point, we are simply going have a absolutely huge plummet in human life.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19187086 - 11/25/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The mathematical observation that exponential growth with limited resources cannot continue unabated in no way reinforces your point.

:sorry:


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19187112 - 11/25/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why not? My point is that Humans can be seen as being in the beginning of the process of killing themselves off, even though our numbers are still rising. As you say, exponential growth cannot continue with limited resources. But it is very likely we will continue to breed even more of us, thus using more resources. Resources will begin to run out, and as a result, it is likely wars will become a necessity (nuclear weapons). Food will become scarce. Lots and lots of people will die.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19187129 - 11/25/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:llamastare:


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19187180 - 11/25/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Listen, i have observed from your posts that you seem to find many other people's views as nonsense and illogical, and that you enjoy dismissing their views using sarcasm. Or indeed pictures that indicate the person or their view is stupid and such. Hence the llama face i assume? This is understandable, because internet forums are usually full of all sorts. Well if you would, please forgo this with me. I'm here to learn and debate. I'm young, and you probably know much more than me, i accept that. So if you feel up for it, please actually tell me why i'm wrong, and if i can see what you mean, i will happily change my views on this matter.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19187197 - 11/25/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do you understand verb tense? Is happening and might happen are worlds apart.

Knowing that all populations have a ceiling does not tell us what that ceiling is.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19187244 - 11/25/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you understand verb tense? Is happening and might happen are worlds apart.

Knowing that all populations have a ceiling does not tell us what that ceiling is.




Yes, i think so. I apologise if i muddled my words a bit. You say is happening and might happen are worlds apart, but what will happen is usually based upon what is happening now is it not? We are going too fast- i suppose you might say it is a stretch to claim that a massive drop in population is bound to follow, but is this not likely? What do you think will happen in the future to our population if we continue as we are?

That's true, but in light of our situation as a species i can't help but feel our ceiling isn't that far away, can you?


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19187585 - 11/25/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I felt we were going to crash and burn in the 70s and that never panned out.  There's really no way to know.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19187643 - 11/25/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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maybe, like, im pretty sure my dog dosnt give 2 fucks about music, sometimes i think its only a weird thing humans do

although maybe they could see math or patterns or some shit in it, like a savant or something




Something analogous to ears is probably pretty common among complex life forms in the universe.  Sensing vibrations in some way.

However that is not all there is to music appreciation, it seems you also need a human-like brain to grasp the emotional weight behind music.  I doubt aliens would understand.

Imagine trying to decipher an alien art form that just seems like random burbling or complete chaos.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: Sleepwalker] * 1
    #19187950 - 11/25/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Imagine trying to decipher an alien art form that just seems like random burbling or complete chaos.




Are we talking about dub-step?


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19189435 - 11/25/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Imagine trying to decipher an alien art form that just seems like random burbling or complete chaos.




Are we talking about dub-step?








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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: Icelander]
    #19190287 - 11/26/13 03:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't mean to claim we are 100% definitely going to kill ourselves off,  just that its likely within a small fraction of how long we have been on earth ie 100, maybe even a 1000 years or so. I suppose you are right, there is no way to know. Alongside climate change and nuclear weapons ect  there are also new ways we can probably find of prolonging our species existence.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19191513 - 11/26/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I know it sounds paradoxical, but i think that the towering birth rate is actually a sign that we are starting to kill ourselves off. These kind of things are what i mean. More births = more consumption, more draining of resources- without resources humans will die out, more climate change, more tension over resources- more likely for wars to develop and so on. At some point, we are simply going have a absolutely huge plummet in human life.





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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19191527 - 11/26/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't want to get into the ideas of what aliens would do if they discovered earth, or whether extraterrestrials exist or not. I mean this as a way of sparking debate about the state of humanity rather than the practicalities of alien life.
But if aliens did discover earth, what do you think they would be most "impressed" by, and why? Or are we living in such a way as that there is nothing they would recognise as special or good that we do?



depends what they are like as aliens,

if they are anything like us, they will see humans as barbaric animals not worthy of survival.

if the aliens that encounter us are anything like us, we'll be fucked

gladly , i dont think they will be anything like us


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: spazmodog]
    #19191796 - 11/26/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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if the aliens that encounter us are anything like us, we'll be fucked

gladly , i dont think they will be anything like us




I don't think so either.

The ones I encountered on DMT were the most powerful, intelligent, benevolent beings. They had humanoid bodies with reptilian-like skin, like that of a gecko. Their skin color was a sky blue with white undertones. They utilized both their hands and feet for mobilization purposes, and their hands were amphibious, similar to a frog but not quite the same. Their eyes glowed as hot as the sun; the highly saturated orange color emanating from their eyes pierced directly through my soul. They also had tails coming out of the back of their heads, kind of like a Twi'lek.

I feared these aliens. I genuinely thought they were going to hurt me in some way. But they didn't. They remained calm and reassured me that they were on my side and that there was nothing to fear and that they would protect me should any harm come my way. I instantly fell in love! I no longer feared anything in the universe.

If aliens are anything like the DMT entities I encountered, I will be very happy.


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #19191814 - 11/26/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

but they probably wont be,


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19191854 - 11/26/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't want to get into the ideas of what aliens would do if they discovered earth, or whether extraterrestrials exist or not. I mean this as a way of sparking debate about the state of humanity rather than the practicalities of alien life.
But if aliens did discover earth, what do you think they would be most "impressed" by, and why? Or are we living in such a way as that there is nothing they would recognise as special or good that we do?



I'm quite sure they will have an agenda and that they are not just flying by for fun and that we will not be the first species they discovered.
It all depends on their 'culture' and may vary in extreme ways.
If they're here, then they for sure joined the leaders of this planet to exploit those silly sheepish humans in any way imaginable.
Those who would want to help humans seem to be those supressed in an universal context :hehehe:


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Re: IF ALIENS CHECKED OUT EARTH. [Re: spazmodog]
    #19191857 - 11/26/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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but they probably wont be,




Probably not. What do you think they would be like? I think aliens would hate us personally.


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