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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Tripsurfer]
#19183467 - 11/24/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well don't think I just took a hit or two and this happened...this was a top 3 experience. It was the one and only time I combined a breakthrough dose(3+ hits) with a dose of mushrooms.
After I exhaled the 3rd hit, It started POURING raining out, huge gusts of wind came out nowhere. I was under the impression "I was making it rain" then I take another hit, the rain picked up even more. Then all of a sudden it stopped on a dime, right at this moment I saw this 'cosmic box' forming on my wall, then all of a sudden BANG the disc popped out of my wall, and the whole trip is now centering around this golden UFO disc that's hovering slowly up to me. Then it stopped just 6 inches away from my face as I sat on my bed with my jaw hanging in amazement. Then after staring at this thing for about 3 solid minutes, I slowly put out my hand to touch it, soon as I was about to touch it, It slowly started hovering away back into the wall.
Never saw it again.
But this is why when people laugh at me for believing in God I just laugh at them, because they do not realize my beliefs are based on first-hand experience. I only believe it if I see it with my own 2 eyes.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19183486 - 11/24/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: And youre the second person this week who told me they were a "pantheist"...interesting
I think you just like the name because it sounds like panther, and because Einstein was a pantheist 
haha nope, i'm a pantheist because i once claimed to be an atheist on the DMT nexus until someone proved me wrong He made the assertion that there were very few true "atheists" on the planet then pointed out how i wasn't such.
And to answer your question of whether god is a judging being... God is what the collective conscious determines because the collective conscious is God. God is the manifestation of all individuals. The things that create them and the things they create. So look at the level of God that dictates our lives (society) and tell me whether you think God is a judging being... Currently, very much so
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19183501 - 11/24/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I too have seen some weird shit. That doesn't mean its all real, even though it seemed so at the time.
But hey man more power to you
-------------------- Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros... A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.

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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19183526 - 11/24/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: And youre the second person this week who told me they were a "pantheist"...interesting
I think you just like the name because it sounds like panther, and because Einstein was a pantheist 
haha nope, i'm a pantheist because i once claimed to be an atheist on the DMT nexus until someone proved me wrong He made the assertion that there were very few true "atheists" on the planet then pointed out how i wasn't such.
And to answer your question of whether god is a judging being... God is what the collective conscious determines because the collective conscious is God. God is the manifestation of all individuals. The things that create them and the things they create. So look at the level of God that dictates our lives (society) and tell me whether you think God is a judging being... Currently, very much so 
Lol, I was just kidding.
And that's real cool that you can admit being an atheist was rather foolish. Atheism has no place next to "Truth".
But what is the collective conscious? So you are basically saying the human being is God? That, is crossing the line, in my humble opinion.
tripsurfer...at the time the experience was more real than anything I have ever experienced so im more comfortable believing that one experience over anything else that's happened in my life.
IVing 4-aco was pretty crazy too...but that was more like dying. I traveled through my family at warp speed in a matrix like barcoded computer reality...this DMT experience was different, it was centered purely on the craft.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#19183578 - 11/24/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Somewhat. I'm saying the totality of existence is inseparable from the concept of god. It is the entity in which all power, knowledge, and creation is contained. Man was not created by god, but rather manifests from god itself. So all that energy that creates us is essentially god. But we are not made by that, we are made from that. And therefor man is an inseparable part of god. As is a tree, and the sun, and the solar system, etc. All manifest from that same matrix so to speak.
So when you ask if god is judgemental... It depends what you're looking at. If you want to look at the majority of the universe, then hell no. Shit gets destroyed and created all the time by random chance. But if you look at the collective conscience of humans (society) which is somewhat of another dimension of the god experience then that is very judgmental. But the essence of "god" is experiential as a whole, not defined.
And as for atheists being foolish... I could say the same about a majority of theists. What's foolish is not recognizing the higher order of existence. But i don't think atheism is any more foolish than dogmatic religion. Both of them deny the possibility of spiritual qualities to the material realm. I never view spirituality as something separate from nature. To me they are one and the same
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19183699 - 11/24/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So since the idea of god was created in the bubble of eternity, god becomes one with the whole thing...meaning everything is everything, more or less.
I believe what I saw that day, is god. It fits everything of your description and what pantheism is. Pantheism basically states that everything is part of the whole, which is exactly what im saying about the disc. The disc is what you get when time itself collapses on itself, aka death. Maybe death is just the process of us evolving into the craft. Then at death we are free to roam the universe in our little vehicles 
And I agree, atheism is just as foolish as any dogma
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19183744 - 11/24/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pantheism sees that the whole is indistinguishable from the concept of god. So god did not become one with the whole thing, the whole thing is all there every was and all there ever will be and is synonymous with the concept of god
So yeah, i think we're on the same page if i'm reading you right. At least for the first part. Not sure how i feel about the disc thing, or roaming the universe. Yeah our particles scatter for eternity, but there is little known on what exactly creates consciousness.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19183769 - 11/24/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's what im saying, that(according to McKenna and now myself) the disc is actually casting a shadow outward which is the source of..everything. Its a far-out concept but when it makes sense, it just makes sense 
its this disc that connects us to other realms. Now, what this thing is and where it comes from is still very much in question don't get me wrong.
For all I know its just a built-in hallucination to represent the highest-form of DMT-space, but it does "exist".
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19183780 - 11/24/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe in having sex while on mushrooms because it is fucking awesome
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Hammburgler]
#19183793 - 11/24/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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that's good too
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19184127 - 11/24/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is getting into the whole free will thing...did we ever have a choice to begin with?
All semantic distinctions like that are meaningless, inasmuch as they all stem from and express duality. (Unless you really dig philosophy - in which case they become your personal prison. )
Your description of the "golden disc" is what a hyperdimensional object would look like, BTW. 
In the past I've traveled back to the beginning of life through endless chains of ancestors once - but this happened while totally straight, with a chaser of schizophrenia, so although it was profound beyond belief, I can't trust it was real. 
Other "impossible" things happened in external reality at that time - and inexplicable things of similar nature have happened often during trips. For some of them I've had witnesses, for others I've had external corroboration. None of this requires belief of any kind in anything. It only requires the experience itself. 
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19184185 - 11/24/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think I already stated this but I'm pantheist, pagan pride.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19185539 - 11/25/13 06:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is getting into the whole free will thing...did we ever have a choice to begin with?
All semantic distinctions like that are meaningless, inasmuch as they all stem from and express duality. (Unless you really dig philosophy - in which case they become your personal prison. )
Your description of the "golden disc" is what a hyperdimensional object would look like, BTW. 
In the past I've traveled back to the beginning of life through endless chains of ancestors once - but this happened while totally straight, with a chaser of schizophrenia, so although it was profound beyond belief, I can't trust it was real. 
Other "impossible" things happened in external reality at that time - and inexplicable things of similar nature have happened often during trips. For some of them I've had witnesses, for others I've had external corroboration. None of this requires belief of any kind in anything. It only requires the experience itself. 
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Couldn't agree more! Im really curious as how you can say that a hyperdimensional object would look like what I described. Im really fascinated by this, because I know how "real" it was. A reason why im convinced of its authenticity is because the whole trip revolved around the 'object' or 'the thing'...its not like there was swirly colors around this thing or anything...the whole experience was JUST that flying golden disc made of solid light or energy..what seemed to happen was that I got so damn high that I forced reality to collapse in on itself and was shown the universes naked body.
This thing was alive...it was just observing me like I would observe an alien upon seeing it for the first time, but always knowing it was there. It was perfectly constructed. I could even sense a sense of humor from it. I had the overwhelming feeling I was in communion with God itself.
you so smart primal soup...
And when you talk about travelling through your ancestors, I understand what you mean. iv 4-aco was very much like that, it as if I died and was launched through my bloodline at digital warp-speed. My body turned into what it really is, -informational output buzzing in complete synchronicity with the space around it-
theres much more to it but that's the jist...smoked DMT is more mystical as IV 4aco was extremely "digital". Its as if with DMT, im travelling to future states where 4-aco-dmt is ancient states.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
Edited by Bill_Oreilly (11/25/13 07:21 AM)
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19185685 - 11/25/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And just for the hell of it...the hyperdimensional object resembled a craft, but this craft has no edge to it. And you couldn't look directly at it for some reason. Its almost as if its constructed to depict what exactly infinity looks like. And its so sacred it wont even let you touch it...I probably would of turned into a pillar of salt like in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19185803 - 11/25/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think, to a degree, only going into a trip with spiritual intent can be a big let down to a person. I've always been interested in the spiritual side of psychs - and as I've said on here countless time, I've only ever taken L. Many of times. That b eing said, when I first started, after graduating high school, I was younger, dumber, and a bit more intent on having these "spiritual" experiences on psychs. I thought those that took them just for fun were wasting them (without ever having done them before, hahahah). But as I was saying, thinking that way can be a let down - first few trips I had, I went into with the mindset of "I'd very much like to learn something from this - here are a few things I want to think about on this - here are some things I'd like to resolve in my life etc etc etc" And quite frankly, I never had any 'revelations' or deep thoughts. It wasn't till after I gave up that approach, and now trip for fun, the nature of the experience, and just to get away from it al for a while, I've really started getting some of what others might consider 'revelations' or 'life lessons' when I trip.
tl;dr? Don't set yourself up strictly focusing on the spiritual aspects of a psych. There is an entire world of experience capable on these substances, and you're only limiting yourself by setting strict guidelines on how you 'think' the trip should go or what you expect to get out of it. go into it with a clean slate, a positive mindset, expecting nothing, and really see what these substances can offer you.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Absent Minded]
#19185909 - 11/25/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those are very important points you bring up, absent. The idea is, to not go into it wanting ANYTHING. That's how Ive got to where I am, anyways. I always consumed these drugs with pure curiosity and respect. When I started tripping, I wasn't aware of any of these modern day shamans such as McKenna or hancock, I didn't know anything, so I didn't expect anything. I ate the mushroom with NO expectation, and that's the key to understanding the experience, and when you understand, you have revelations.
It seems like if you go into it wanting spirituality, it will teach you how to loosen up. If you go into it only seeking fun, it will show you its not that and its made to be respected. If you go into it wanting NOTHING, essentially you get EVERYTHING. It always seems to give us what we need and deserve.
It seems like nature is building upon previously constructed models. So the more you trip, the more connections you open up. But its up to you to MAKE those connections. In other words, no matter what, the drugs will not do all the work for you.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19186039 - 11/25/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well put Mr. O'Reilly, I have to say, you've come a long way for a Fox newscaster.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Absent Minded]
#19186140 - 11/25/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was not always a fox newscaster, but ive always been an arrogant attention whore
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19186169 - 11/25/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Think of the Asians eyes compared to the others...the eye is more 'slanted' because its actually a higher-constructed model. Their eyes are more "refined" than the rest. This is also how nature works, the more complex, the smaller and complex things get. Same goes for the Chinese language.
But its important to point out that theres always MORE. Everything can always get smaller and more refined. Its a never-ending process that's building, and the more time that passes, the more time that keeps on slipping into the future thus the more models we can build upon thus the more complex we get. Whats it all leading too? Well, that's where my hyper-dimensional object comes into play. That's what I think the end of history is.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19186188 - 11/25/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Think of the Asians eyes compared to the others...the eye is more 'slanted' because its actually a higher-constructed model. Their eyes are more "refined" than the rest. This is also how nature works, the more complex, the smaller and complex things get. Same goes for the Chinese language.
Don't asians lose sight at an earlier age than Americans?
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