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OfflineMush4Brains
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19183884 - 11/24/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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After the fuckers are out of school.  BUT I DON'T WANT TO WAIT I WANT IT NEOW.





Who are you referring to as "the fuckers?"


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19183887 - 11/24/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You could always look for reading material in a different genre.

One of the more popular and least expensive type of books are in the romance/rape section.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Mush4Brains] * 3
    #19183938 - 11/24/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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zappaisgod said:
After the fuckers are out of school.  BUT I DON'T WANT TO WAIT I WANT IT NEOW.





Who are you referring to as "the fuckers?"



The children


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OfflineMush4Brains
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19184031 - 11/24/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Must be nice to have mommy and daddy put you through college.

You call me a leech for staying at my father's house, but your children getting undergrad and graduate school paid for aren't leeches?

Amazing.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
    #19184711 - 11/24/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Get a job.




i get paid 10$/hr and worked 57 hrs this week

co-worker got into a motorcycle accident and i had to fill in for him

also i finished my college degree while working 50 hours per week in the summer to save up enough money to move out of state

must be nice to live in your own fantasy world where facts are secondary to biased opinions and trigger happy judgement calls


Edited by Envix (11/24/13 10:11 PM)


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19184746 - 11/24/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well now I don't have a job

maybe minimum wage is a bad idea:smoker:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19184797 - 11/24/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Comparing a Ferrari to a book, nice.  I think the thread would of been fine if Zappa hadn't clicked on it.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19184854 - 11/24/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

idk, i just feel like i should be able to buy a book without it costing more than a months worth of rent.

maybe i'm just accustomed to the internet where information is free and readily available, it makes me frustrated when i have to pay so much for some info to help me learn about stuff

just because its a "college text book" it makes it acceptable for it to be so ghastly expensive. well i say that's bullshit.

i want to learn damnit! not show off some stupid shiny sports car. i dont care about money, i just need it to cut through the ridiculousness of modern society. staying alive while pursuing my dreams. that's all anyone can ever ask for. not everyone has the privilege to do both, and some not even the privilege for either. and i just think that is not acceptable in this day and age where we have space rockets and digital communication and robots and shit.

and don't even get me started with "other people have it worse" bullcrap. BULLCRAP! just because the world is worse elsewhere does not make it excusable for things to continue being sub-par here. do not use the egotistical balancing act of "we're better cuz they're worse off". don't use that game as an excuse for the nonsensical nature of certain monetary systems in society. the mao zedong rule over china does not justify a book costing 800 dollars. ya dig?

chicken costs 2 dollars and 99 cents here per pound. that was an animal that was born and grown. it had a life. a shitty life. and then it was slaughtered and eaten. for 2 dollars and 99 cents per pound.

you know how much cannabis costs per pound here? for a plant? you could probably guess well over a grand. for a plant! some sticky green flowers.

nonsense! don't you see??!!


Edited by Envix (11/24/13 11:08 PM)


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19184863 - 11/24/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the reason the books is so expensive is because some yuppie took out loans or got money from their parents to go to a college so they could write that book and put it together


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Konyap]
    #19184879 - 11/24/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

william p banks, the author/editor of that book is dead now. he's not making any money out of it anymore


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix] * 6
    #19185190 - 11/25/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #19185309 - 11/25/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is the future, dude. Stop arguing about how Ferraris are expensive books. Books are free in the future.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: healing]
    #19185357 - 11/25/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Damn straight.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19185388 - 11/25/13 03:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Consciousness has long been a subject of interest in philosophy and religion but only relatively recently has it become subject to scientific investigation. Now, more than ever before, we are beginning to understand this mental state. Developmental psychologists understand when we first develop a sense of self; neuropsychologists see which parts of the brain activate when we think about ourselves and which parts of the brain control that awareness. Cognitive scientists have mapped the circuitry that allows machines to have some form of self awareness, and neuroscientists investigate similar circuitry in the human brain.

Research that once was separate inquiries in discreet disciplines is converging. List serves and small conferences focused on consciousness are proliferating. New journals have emerged in this field. A huge number of monographs and edited treatises have recently been published on consciousness, but there is no recognized entry point to the field, no comprehensive summary. This encyclopedia is that reference.

Organized alphabetically by topic, coverage encompasses a summary of major research and scientific thought regarding the nature of consciousness, the neural circuitry involved, how the brain, body, and world interact, and our understanding of subjective states. The work includes contributions covering neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, and artificial intelligence to provide a comprehensive backdrop to recent and ongoing investigations into the nature of conscious experience from a philosophical, psychological, and biological perspective.

Hardcover: 1400 pages
Publisher: Academic Press; 1 edition (April 27, 2009)
Language: English



Is this it? There is a torrent available..somewhere on the interwebs if it is


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: LordSenate]
    #19185389 - 11/25/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The all mighty glory of the internet :cookiemonster:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: LordSenate]
    #19185391 - 11/25/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck someone already beat me to the punch... by 2 hours :facepalm:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Konyap]
    #19185477 - 11/25/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
the reason the books is so expensive is because some yuppie took out loans or got money from their parents to go to a college so they could write that book and put it together




Or, because it takes a lot of time and effort to write a textbook, and author can attempt to be compensated for that time.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: badchad]
    #19185492 - 11/25/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's still an interesting fact though; the price of this book vs. its contents (and the related debate on the rising costs of text books prescribed to students by educational institutes.)

The book in question is unlikely to contain any information actually generated by the editors, so the books value is based primarily (solely) on the fact that it assembles a selection of information. I can imagine that the amount it took to assemble information in this manner, by grouping it per topic and indexing it in the form of an encyclopedia, is extremely labor-intensive. That could justify for the high cost if the book, particularly because it only serves a niche market (due to its specific topic, and not just due to its prohibitive pricing.)

Still, does the value (what one is willing to pay) approach the price (what is asked)? I'm sure, for many, it doesn't. Especially because it remains to be seen if this particular way of assembling information is still a viable one given today's technology. If you were looking for the state of the art of research on a specific topic, would it still make sense to look it up in a pre-assembled book? Doesn't it make more sense to spend 30 minutes browsing recent papers on google scholar, or web of science, or what-have-you? It seems to me that such an approach would yield a better price/quality ratio as you can get a lot more up-to-date information at lower transaction costs.

In a similar vein: what is the value of pre-assembled information? I think it's a pretty crucial question.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: koraks]
    #19185505 - 11/25/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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koraks said:
It's still an interesting fact though; the price of this book vs. its contents (and the related debate on the rising costs of text books prescribed to students by educational institutes.)

The book in question is unlikely to contain any information actually generated by the editors, so the books value is based primarily (solely) on the fact that it assembles a selection of information. I can imagine that the amount it took to assemble information in this manner, by grouping it per topic and indexing it in the form of an encyclopedia, is extremely labor-intensive. That could justify for the high cost if the book, particularly because it only serves a niche market (due to its specific topic, and not just due to its prohibitive pricing.)

Still, does the value (what one is willing to pay) approach the price (what is asked)? I'm sure, for many, it doesn't. Especially because it remains to be seen if this particular way of assembling information is still a viable one given today's technology. If you were looking for the state of the art of research on a specific topic, would it still make sense to look it up in a pre-assembled book? Doesn't it make more sense to spend 30 minutes browsing recent papers on google scholar, or web of science, or what-have-you? It seems to me that such an approach would yield a better price/quality ratio as you can get a lot more up-to-date information at lower transaction costs.

In a similar vein: what is the value of pre-assembled information? I think it's a pretty crucial question.




It could have been a crucial question, but it isn't. The file linked above is a PDF. It is searchable.

This is the future.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: healing]
    #19185514 - 11/25/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's still a crucial question; It think you missed the point. The e-book version is just $7 less than the paper version, so you obviously pay for the contents, not the book. And I wasn't saying that the lack of a digital search in a paper book reduces its value; I was questioning the value of pre-assembled information (in paper or digital form) without any added new information if you can easily search millions or original sources using a search engine. Also, the fact that you can steal or 'borrow' information free of charge is not what I'm talking about.

So the question still stands, but thanks for offering your observation.


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