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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Oliveaux]
#19199421 - 11/28/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oliveaux said: my favourite thing ever is how men are so incredibly concerned about when its acceptable to beat women. if you even need to ask that question there is something wrong with you. the other hilarious thing is that this misogynist shit smear of a topic was posted in the women's forum. lmao.
Most straight men in our society who were raised by attentive parents are taught to conduct themselves appropriately within the chivalrous social order. They like to ingrain little quirks to remember along the road of life, like:
-A real man never hits a woman
-A real man never lets a woman pay
-A real man protects his woman
-A real man provides for his woman
Then their orderly view is shattered by the same pop culture that created it in the first place. By their teen years, men are then pumped with a contradictory set of social standards.
-Women are just as strong as men
-Women are capable of paying
-Women are independent
-Woman should be breadwinners, too.
I find it so ironic that feminist want equality, yet they still want the "delicacies" of being a woman. if they want equality that means the GOOD AND BAD. You cant pick and choose what parts of "male dominated society" you want. You want to be treated like a man: you will be punched like a man. For example, many people think a woman slapping a man is acceptable....why? If a man were to slap another man it would be called assault.
This is legitimate discussion. I'm sure the guilt trip inducing language of throwing words like "this misogynist shit smear" gets great applause from the easily manipulated in your university class discussion. I simply want to talk about the subject honestly, not just throw around a few bull-horned phrases from your fem rally on your campus quad.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Anonymous]
#19199637 - 11/28/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: -Women are just as strong as men
That's not true. The majority of guys are stronger, males in general have a lot more upper body strength.
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I find it so ironic that feminist want equality, yet they still want the "delicacies" of being a woman. if they want equality that means the GOOD AND BAD. You cant pick and choose what parts of "male dominated society" you want. You want to be treated like a man: you will be punched like a man. For example, many people think a woman slapping a man is acceptable....why? If a man were to slap another man it would be called assault.
A women slapping a man is not acceptable, but neither is a guy hitting a women. And since guys are generally stronger, it makes it worse.
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I don't see how it's necessarily worse. It certainly CAN be worse, but a woman slapping a man often includes no calibration of force used. On the other hand, most men are going to hit a woman with far less force than they would hit a man.
In addition, I'd argue that women hit men far more often than men hit women. There are plenty of women out there that hit men daily and see it as a joke. I don't know of any man like that.
It is patently obvious that our culture is far more tolerant of violence against men than violence against women. That cultural tolerance is reflected pretty consistently in the individual values of most men and women.
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Anonymous said: -Women are just as strong as men
That's not true. The majority of guys are stronger, males in general have a lot more upper body strength.
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I find it so ironic that feminist want equality, yet they still want the "delicacies" of being a woman. if they want equality that means the GOOD AND BAD. You cant pick and choose what parts of "male dominated society" you want. You want to be treated like a man: you will be punched like a man. For example, many people think a woman slapping a man is acceptable....why? If a man were to slap another man it would be called assault.
A women slapping a man is not acceptable, but neither is a guy hitting a women. And since guys are generally stronger, it makes it worse.
I know it's not true and I completely agree with your sentiments. It is however the way I and probably you and millions of others were trained. There is a strong cognitive dissonance between reality and what we are taught is reality. Perception is the quality I'm trying to get at. The differences in perception and training and reality. What is perception, what is fact, what is appropriate, and what is appropriate when people are treated the same? Answer these and you get different answers and that's the source of the cognitive dissonance.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Anonymous]
#19200992 - 11/28/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: Most straight men in our society who were raised by attentive parents are taught to conduct themselves appropriately within the chivalrous social order. They like to ingrain little quirks to remember along the road of life, like:
-A real man never hits a woman
-A real man never lets a woman pay
-A real man protects his woman
-A real man provides for his woman
Then their orderly view is shattered by the same pop culture that created it in the first place. By their teen years, men are then pumped with a contradictory set of social standards.
-Women are just as strong as men
-Women are capable of paying
-Women are independent
-Woman should be breadwinners, too.
I find it so ironic that feminist want equality, yet they still want the "delicacies" of being a woman. if they want equality that means the GOOD AND BAD. You cant pick and choose what parts of "male dominated society" you want. You want to be treated like a man: you will be punched like a man. For example, many people think a woman slapping a man is acceptable....why? If a man were to slap another man it would be called assault.
This is legitimate discussion. I'm sure the guilt trip inducing language of throwing words like "this misogynist shit smear" gets great applause from the easily manipulated in your university class discussion. I simply want to talk about the subject honestly, not just throw around a few bull-horned phrases from your fem rally on your campus quad.
[snip] Equality is not about being women being as strong as men (because they're not), women being as big as men (because they're not), or women being able to be hit as much as men. Equality is about equal OPPORTUNITY in society. As in, right to hold a job, right to own property, right to partake in the stock market, right to divorce, things of that nature. Nowhere does it mean both sexes have to be equal to each other in every single way, especially when that deficiency (i.e. strength, size) are caused by NATURE and can in no way be altered without altering your genomes. 
I think some of you guys have taken too many mushrooms and basically see no reality or moral grounding anymore. I remember somebody here made another thread similar to this one a while ago (in the sense that it questions deep societal values), it was, "Is pedophilia wrong as long as you are gentle and nice to the kids? My answer is no." Then he proceeded to go into this super philosophical argument about what constitues "abuse" and how kids only realize molestation is wrong because we teach them.
I am gravely concerned when so many people equate the "equal rights" movements to the ability for men to hit women, or other unrelated things such as who pays for a date or who opens the door, because it shows me just how terribly uneducated young kids and adults are about politics and history in this country.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Enlil]
#19201013 - 11/28/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't see how it's necessarily worse. It certainly CAN be worse, but a woman slapping a man often includes no calibration of force used. On the other hand, most men are going to hit a woman with far less force than they would hit a man.
That's obvious that's not true. If you look at the percentage of men that visit hospitals due to domestic violence, and the percentage of women that visit hospitals due to domestic violence, there is clearly a marked percentile difference.
And I'm getting real statistics from, you know, places such as the USDOJ, the FBI, and federal statistics. Not ACLU-labeled "hate groups" such as the MRA.
So when you look at the magnitude of violent assaults against women, really, if you think about it, the last thing we should be doing is encouraging more of it.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Crystal G]
#19201183 - 11/28/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone is encouraging hitting someone else. I know I'm not. I do, however, think that we should be discouraging all violence, even that which is perpetrated by women.
Also, men who get hit generally don't go to the hospital for it, so I think your statistics are skewed.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Enlil]
#19201434 - 11/28/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't think anyone is encouraging hitting someone else. I know I'm not. I do, however, think that we should be discouraging all violence, even that which is perpetrated by women.
That is not what this thread is perpetuating however. This thread is perpetuating the idea that it is okay for men to hit back women, not to discourage women from hitting men (or other women for that matter). I mean just look at the title of this thread and the ideas that are espoused in this thread. The thread is called "When should a man hit a woman?"
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Also, men who get hit generally don't go to the hospital for it, so I think your statistics are skewed.
That is my point. That is because men generally do not sustain injuries by women that are severe enough for going to a hospital for.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Crystal G]
#19201441 - 11/28/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said:
Equality is not about being women being as strong as men (because they're not), women being as big as men (because they're not), or women being able to be hit as much as men. Equality is about equal OPPORTUNITY in society. As in, right to hold a job, right to own property, right to partake in the stock market, right to divorce, things of that nature. Nowhere does it mean both sexes have to be equal to each other in every single way, especially when that deficiency (i.e. strength, size) are caused by NATURE and can in no way be altered without altering your genomes. 
I think some of you guys have taken too many mushrooms and basically see no reality or moral grounding anymore. I remember somebody here made another thread similar to this one a while ago (in the sense that it questions deep societal values), it was, "Is pedophilia wrong as long as you are gentle and nice to the kids? My answer is no."
I am gravely concerned when so many people equate the "equal rights" movements to the ability for men to hit women, or other unrelated things such as who pays for a date or who opens the door, because it shows me just how terribly uneducated young kids and adults are about politics and history in this country.
Quality post.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Crystal G]
#19201453 - 11/28/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It most certainly is sometimes okay to hit a woman if she is violently assaulting someone.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Enlil]
#19201482 - 11/28/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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After reading through some of the replies, what about women raping men? It happens, but people don't take it seriously.
Honestly, the easiest thing to do really is to let go of the impulse, don't let it build up inside of you to the point where you have to react, but rather let go of the impulse and never let a fight happen.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: anne halonium] 1
#19201612 - 11/28/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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note, even the best howling icon is a guy icon. they would be infuriated if we had a girl howling icon.
anyway, let em howl, if anything, it shows who not to date. and why.
who is "they". penis envy much?
do you hate hotdogs and bananas and trains going into tunnels too?

that's right, male graemlin. it's the best you see this shit graem.
PATRIARCHY! FUCK YEAH
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19201638 - 11/28/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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classic, you were un date able, both before that post , and after. glad ya could lash out at me and get your girl hater points for the day.
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anne halonium said: classic, you were un date able, both before that post , and after. glad ya could lash out at me and get your girl hater points for the day.

NO! I am ruined! A woman with a precious vagina on the internet has declared me un-date-able (one word? the fuck?).
Just kidding, zero fucks given
But shit, seriously is that how you think you can shame men? Trying to label them on an obscure internet forum undateable? 
I'm looking into your future...I see
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19201694 - 11/28/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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as long as you exist, men are self shaming
as for you? your past , present, and future , suggest, your trapped in a time / space fwapping continuum.
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#19201755 - 11/28/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: as long as you exist, men are self shaming
as for you? your past , present, and future , suggest, your trapped in a time / space fwapping continuum.
Behold, crazy cat lady syndrome.
The patriarchy has spoken
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Im all for equal rights in society don't get my wrong, but the whole "feminism" "woman power" "men are inferior" attitude is the biggest anti-boner imaginable. If I wanted to date someone with a mans mentality I'd be gay.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said: Im all for equal rights in society don't get my wrong, but the whole "feminism" "woman power" "men are inferior" attitude is the biggest anti-boner imaginable. If I wanted to date someone with a mans mentality I'd be gay.
anti boner 
femininity is a LIE foisted by that evil patriarchy
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19201992 - 11/28/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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^behold, the "no pussy" crowd, telling us about cat ladys.

lol, but wait, we dont fuck you. thats why your bitter fwapping misogynysts. your posts, give ya away.
so , heres a guy for ya.

^i dont dont think any self respecting dudes would want soiled.
id suggest . check your local laws on that though.
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No pussy crowd? Elaborate.
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