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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
#19219209 - 12/02/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'm just gonna leave this here 
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: JesusIsLord]
#19219281 - 12/02/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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JesusIsLord said: i'm just gonna leave this here 
FYI, strength has very little to do with fighting. Any instructor worth his salt will tell you that.
And, even arm wrestling is not exactly a universal test of strength. It is a very specific test to gauge the strength of one specific part of your body (which is your biceps). And men, genetically, have stronger and more developed biceps than women. While men have an advantage in the biceps, women's triceps develop faster instead.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
#19219325 - 12/02/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said:
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JesusIsLord said: i'm just gonna leave this here 
FYI, strength has very little to do with fighting. Any instructor worth his salt will tell you that.
And, even arm wrestling is not exactly a universal test of strength. It is a very specific test to gauge the strength of one specific part of your body (which is your biceps). And men, genetically, have stronger and more developed biceps than women. While men have an advantage in the biceps, women's triceps develop faster instead.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
#19219339 - 12/02/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Strength has no meaning when its an untrained combatant vs a trained. I've seen the best wrestler in the state get his ass stomped by a 230 linebacker from some ghetto ass school in south phoenix. The wrestler had amazing technique and took boxing for many years too. I'd say he was a 150lbs. Got the football player in multiple holds, every time we thought it was over this fucking manchild just pried his limbs off like nothing. I'd say strength can play a bigger role than you're thinking. Take two fighters same skill same dicipline. Then strength and conditioning come into play. Usually I'd put my money on the stronger individual. Weight classes exist in fighting for a reason.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Mescalean]
#19219508 - 12/02/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mescalean said: Strength has no meaning when its an untrained combatant vs a trained. I've seen the best wrestler in the state get his ass stomped by a 230 linebacker from some ghetto ass school in south phoenix. The wrestler had amazing technique and took boxing for many years too. I'd say he was a 150lbs. Got the football player in multiple holds, every time we thought it was over this fucking manchild just pried his limbs off like nothing. I'd say strength can play a bigger role than you're thinking. Take two fighters same skill same dicipline. Then strength and conditioning come into play. Usually I'd put my money on the stronger individual. Weight classes exist in fighting for a reason.
Yes, I said strength is a factor in individuals of equal skill level. I however, disagree that pure strength is going to be more advantageous than having good fighting technique. In boxing, strength is going to matter more, since strength in punches is more likely to do physical harm to your opponent. In other forms of fighting, it matters less.
For example, one thing that I learned about karate, is that you can do a lot more damage by hitting the "right spot" rather than wailing randomly at brute strength. And when you hit the right spot, you don't even have to hit very hard for it to cause damage.
You can actually knock somebody out using only two fingers and tapping them or whipping them at an angle in the neck.
This is also known as "pressure point knockout." You don't need any strength at all to do this on anybody:
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
#19219565 - 12/02/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No strength just years of dedication to mastering an art.
And I know from boxing there are weak areas. Very weak and alot of combos work each area in sequence to fuck the person up as much as possible, kinda like first punch jab to the jaw, right hook to the ribs, upper cut to the liver. The more advance the more number of hits.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Crystal G] 1
#19219775 - 12/02/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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JesusIsLord said: i'm just gonna leave this here 
FYI, strength has very little to do with fighting. Any instructor worth his salt will tell you that.
Every fighting sport has weight classes because strength is the most important factor in who will win. You are just clearly wrong about most of your positions as they relate to fighting. Maybe next you'd like to say your press on nail will beat anyone because it could rip up an eyeball. lololol
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19219807 - 12/02/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How did OP post anon?
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19219820 - 12/02/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thread was moved from another forum.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Rose]
#19219824 - 12/02/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19220280 - 12/03/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Every fighting sport has weight classes because strength is the most important factor in who will win. You are just clearly wrong about most of your positions as they relate to fighting. Maybe next you'd like to say your press on nail will beat anyone because it could rip up an eyeball. lololol

Why don't you actually go back and RE-READ what I said accurately instead of misinterpreting it. I said strength matters especially when both people are near the same skill level. However, if you pit an advanced or skilled fighter (who is weaker) against somebody who is strong but doesn't know how to fight, then do you really think strength is going to be the bigger advantage in this case?
Trust me, I've watched enough of Kazushi Sakuraba's fights to know that strength will be the winner when both opponents are trained about as equally. That guy had no bizniz fighting some of the dudes completely out of his weight class that he did.

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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Anonymous]
#19220392 - 12/03/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whenever they disagree with me

or in bed
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
#19220418 - 12/03/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said:
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Ellis Dee said: Every fighting sport has weight classes because strength is the most important factor in who will win. You are just clearly wrong about most of your positions as they relate to fighting. Maybe next you'd like to say your press on nail will beat anyone because it could rip up an eyeball. lololol

Why don't you actually go back and RE-READ what I said accurately instead of misinterpreting it. I said strength matters especially when both people are near the same skill level. However, if you pit an advanced or skilled fighter (who is weaker) against somebody who is strong but doesn't know how to fight, then do you really think strength is going to be the bigger advantage in this case?
Trust me, I've watched enough of Kazushi Sakuraba's fights to know that strength will be the winner when both opponents are trained about as equally. That guy had no bizniz fighting some of the dudes completely out of his weight class that he did.


I have re-examined what you said. You said, "FYI, strength has very little to do with fighting. Any instructor worth his salt will tell you that."
Now in your response you asked me to examine that again. I have obliged you. And in your response to my response you changed your previous position by amending it, conceding that weight and strength does matter, and then saying I was wrong. I can only conclude that you either do not utilize logic or are posting quickly without much thought.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? (moved) [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19220469 - 12/03/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: I have re-examined what you said. You said, "FYI, strength has very little to do with fighting. Any instructor worth his salt will tell you that."
Why don't you look at what I was responding to. Clearly I was responding to that video that he was posting. He posted a video of an armwrestling competition, which is a type of "workout" that is equivalent to weightlifting heavy for 5-10 seconds or so. This strength does in fact have very little to do with fighting. As a matter of fact depending on the type of schooling you do, instructors will discourage weightlifting, because it trains your muscles to move in ways that are considered inefficient for some forms of fighting. It is encouraged for things such as boxing or wrestling or jiu-jitsu, it is not encouraged for karate or taekwondo or capoeira, where speed and agility and technique are more important than strength.
In my original post, I was also responding to several posts made by members insinuating that strength and no skill would beat weaker with high skill, that learning a martial arts doesn't matter. I refuted that by posting examples such as point-pressure-knockout.
Perhaps we should examine my posts more closely:
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As for those people saying size matters even when the smaller person knows martial arts... no it doesn't. It only matters if the person that's bigger also knows how to fight, but the fact is that most guys don't.
(In this post I am interexchanging "bigger" for "stronger," since people who are bigger are typically going to be stronger than people who are smaller. Hence why professional and competitive weightlifters always try to gain weight to increase strength.)
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But the person who is smaller must, obviously, know how to be a skilled fighter [fighting against an average no-skill guy]. That much is pretty obvious. I'm not talking about your average joe who just started semi-seriously taking karate classes twice a week, I'm talking about a trained fighter.
You can also make a logical deduction of the message I was conveying by simply reading posts such as these:
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I mean just think about it. Do you think that you, weighing at 200lbs (I don't really know how much you weigh but for argument's sake let's say you weigh 200lbs and), having no formal experience in fighting, could actually beat a featherweight UFC fighter? Do you actually think you could beat a female UFC fighter? Then add into the fact other external factors that are likely to be contributing when you are in a fist fight, such as being impaired and under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
From these examples it is PRETTY DAMN CLEAR I wasn't comparing two fighters who are equal in skill level, I was comparing a weaker person with master skill level vs a strong person with no skill.
It's called READING BETWEEN THE LINES. You cannot read one short phrase without looking at the full text in entirety to interpret what I was saying, then accuse me of making deductions devoid of logic.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Anonymous]
#19220528 - 12/03/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anonymous said: I think if a woman wants to fight a man and acts like a man in her style of fighting then she should expect to be treated like a man.
Now, I am not saying if a woman slaps you on the face you should body slam her. But, If a woman initiates violence she should be prepared for some sort of retaliation. Just because she is weaker physically should not grant her immunity. Just as if I was to walk up to Hulk Hogan and kick him in the nuts. I would expect no immunity because he is twice my size. Just the opposite in fact, I should have my ass beaten to teach me a lesson about picking on someone bigger than I am.
I expect a certain amount of feminist and people saying never no matter what but that's BS and everyone knows it. Lets try to keep this a legit topic and sort out this issue.
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it think you guys confuse ego and tiff fighting,( common) with combat fighting.( rare)
with ego/ tiff fighting, ya swap blows till someone gives.
i dont play that way. combat fighting is different. raise a fist to me , and i want you dead, with every strike. i dont care if the razor broke off in you.
the meanest people, usually win. dysocials , have a BIG advanatage. im more concerned with my broken nails, than i am with you choking on blood.
i know its " manly" to swap blows. in reality, real fights are decided in the first few seconds. most peeps arent trained for that dynamic. they think they are, but they arent.
ironically, your sexism plays against you. no jury is gonna convict me, because you struck me first, and now you have a perma disability. blonde hair, blue eyes, cute, and 3 lawyers. im walking, your wheeling in a wheel chair.
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Guarentee with how lawsuit happy our society is, I'd be able to find an attourney that would help get you locked up assault is assault. Usually in a fight both parties are charged with assault and after seeing the damage from what could be described as exessive force. You seem to thing you gain legal immunity as a self described "cute blonde". This right here is complete sexist logic and just sound unstable. You also forget people die in these "ego" fights often enough. Enough trama to the head your done.
If you were to say fight mike tyson? I'd put my money on tyson. I see it all the time sweety, some kid whos been taking jui jitsu most of his life, cocky. Thinks he can't be touched, only to get knocked the fuck out.
Now lets say for instance its not some fat creepy slob who your castrating by hand. But a 250lb 6'5 tall man who an fight. I'm putting my money on him.
Once again you are prideing yourself and glorifying violence against another gender therefor purpetuating the very violence this whole thread is about.
Your man hating, feminazi attitide does a huge disservice to your gender as a whole.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: Mescalean]
#19222002 - 12/03/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol. been there done that. bet i know more about court and violence than you do.
i also know , women beaters like you, go down hard, its the hubris that causes them the 1 second pause.......
seriously. ive met guys like you. you only beat women that you can guarantee dominance.
and, its what makes you so manly.
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Lol I have never beaten a woman when did I ever say I have? And everything you stated that you "know" has just been a twisted version of how you view reality. Why do you feel the need to display physical dominance over men, all it does i show underlying mental health issues / an extreme case of penis envy.
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Re: When should a man hit a woman? [Re: anne halonium] 2
#19222236 - 12/03/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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anne halonium said: lol. been there done that. bet i know more about court and violence than you do.
i also know , women beaters like you, go down hard, its the hubris that causes them the 1 second pause.......
seriously. ive met guys like you. you only beat women that you can guarantee dominance.
and, its what makes you so manly.
I'm confident that I know far more about court than you do. Many times I've seen women go to jail for assaulting someone.
I'm also confident that you've never been in anything resembling a real fight.
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