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Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^
    #19185323 - 11/25/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

First of all hello all shroomery people..

I dont know if i am writing this post at the right place anyways I ordered 2 mazatepac kits from a website and got them..

But I didnt know that I had to close the sides of the box so I didnt do that at start and 10 15 mushrooms growing from the sides I dont know what to do I dont know how to harvest them.. I am getting afraid that if I dont harvest them and leave them they can get bad and contaminate my kit.(this will be my first flush)
Should i put the hole soil out and dig after them? any special advice how I should do this?

Thanks.. Best regards Mesq :mushroom2:


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185353 - 11/25/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You bought a kit in a box? Please provide a link to what you have, or a pic of your grow.


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19185383 - 11/25/13 02:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

EDIT: What he said.


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185400 - 11/25/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the quick reply..
Here is some pictures of my kit..





Do they look healthy?

And here u can see side growers..



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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185410 - 11/25/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Everything in there looks fine to me.

Grow kits in general are typically substandard and behind the times. I would condone more fresh air exchange.

Consider yourself lectured on this point.

Beyond that, nothing looks too concerning to me.


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19185431 - 11/25/13 03:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Everything in there looks fine to me.

Grow kits in general are typically substandard and behind the times. I would condone more fresh air exchange.

Consider yourself lectured on this point.

Beyond that, nothing looks too concerning to me.




The thing is when they grow up appox 1 week later should i take out the hole thing out and take the side growing mushrooms or not? I dont want to contaminate my kit.. (Therefore as i learned that if i dont take those shoorms they can go moldy and contaminate kit anyways?)

And the other question what do you mean with condone fresh air? Open the zips of the plastic bag for an hour or so?

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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185438 - 11/25/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No matter if your doing cakes, casings tubs or grow kits they gotta have fresh air exchange multiple times a day for a better grow.. i dont know much in the way of grow kits as ive never used one and the consensus is that they are a rip off.. if you dont have a pressure cooker there is a vendor who sells cheap spawn bags and brf fruiting bags that would be a much cheaper and more flexible way of growing til you get a PC.. message me  for details as vendor discussion is not allowed in the cultivation forum


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185439 - 11/25/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Everything in there looks fine to me.

Grow kits in general are typically substandard and behind the times.  I would condone more fresh air exchange.

Consider yourself lectured on this point.

Beyond that, nothing looks too concerning to me.




The thing is when they grow up appox 1 week later should i take out the hole thing out and take the side growing mushrooms or not? I dont want to contaminate my kit.. (Therefore as i learned that if i dont take those shoorms they can go moldy and contaminate kit anyways?)

And the other question what do you mean with condone fresh air? Open the zips of the plastic bag for an hour or so?

Thanks..




Fully colonized substrate which I'm assuming that's what that is and not pure spawn (rye, etc) is pretty contam resistant. So it'd most likely be fine.

As for FAE doesn't have to be a cpl hours but a few min couple times a day as needed and mist right after as needed to keep RH high. GL.


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19185441 - 11/25/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would make a sgfc and put the tray in it with a few inches of moist perlite, it would help your grow alot.. and by fresh air exchange take the lid to the fruiting chamber and wave it over the sgfc to provide fresh air to the mushies several times a day and between mistings to help with evaporation..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19185442 - 11/25/13 04:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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No matter if your doing cakes, casings tubs or grow kits they gotta have fresh air exchange multiple times a day for a better grow.. i dont know much in the way of grow kits as ive never used one and the consensus is that they are a rip off.. if you dont have a pressure cooker there is a vendor who sells cheap spawn bags and brf fruiting bags that would be a much cheaper and more flexible way of growing til you get a PC.. message me  for details as vendor discussion is not allowed in the cultivation forum




Yeah i am reading about those techs also but as a new starter i wanted to see fruting at first. The others will come smoothly..
So as a conclusion shall i open the bags for some time everyday?


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185445 - 11/25/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah if you insist on keeping it in the bag wave a magazine or book over it for 30 seconds or so a few times a day.. and your gonna have to get those side pins out when harvesting as any portion of mushroom or abort left in the tray is gonna rot if you dont remove it..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185450 - 11/25/13 04:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185454 - 11/25/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You're fruits have already begun to grow. I would open the top and fan them about 3 times per day.

Next time, I would either create a monotub, or a Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber.

You should watch all of the free videos at: www.mushroomvideos.com and then you should start researching monotubs.

It looks like so far you are succeeding, but better success is to be had with more homework. Stick with it, and you'll do good.


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: magickspore]
    #19185455 - 11/25/13 04:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks a lot guys..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185474 - 11/25/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And another question the other kit dont produce mycelium like the other one and didnt grow a lot any suggestions why it is like that? They are at the same place near to each other..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19185480 - 11/25/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Its bc people throw the kits together for very little money and charge new cultivators up the ass for a sub standard product.. for 3.50 a bag you can buy pre sterilized brf bags and fruit right in the bag, or for 4 bucks you can buy a 1 pound bag of pre sterilized grain and make your own trays for way less money and it will be better qaulity bc you spawned it yourself.. or you can get a pc and sterilize your own spawn/jars/bags even cheaper.. but if your not ready to make the commitment to a PC yet give the grow bags or spawn bags a shot..they help get alot of people into the hobby and all you gotta do is inject spores into em and wait


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19202305 - 11/28/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hello again so my babies got this big do you think its time to harvest them or i should wait a bit more?





And still same question there are shrooms coming from sides inside the kit under the kit do i have to take hole cake out?


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19202311 - 11/28/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And u can see at the pictures there is a mushroom there something grown on the cap is it some kind of bacteria or something?

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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19202323 - 11/28/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Make sure you get all of the shroom out or it will rot and lead to contams.. i would pick them after the.veil tears but before they drop spores.. bc the spores get everywhere and are messy, and you can spore print em if you pick b4 theu drop.. and never buy spores again!


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19202335 - 11/28/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Make sure you get all of the shroom out or it will rot and lead to contams.. i would pick them after the.veil tears but before they drop spores.. bc the spores get everywhere and are messy, and you can spore print em if you pick b4 theu drop.. and never buy spores again!





This is a bought mushroom kit from holland mate i am not really good with shroom culture like you guys are.. So its a bit hard for me to spore print them.. But as i have read that if i wait a lot it gets the cake exhaust and the next flush comes less then this?


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19202422 - 11/28/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And u can see at the pictures there is a mushroom there something grown on the cap is it some kind of bacteria or something?

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Make sure you get all of the shroom out or it will rot and lead to contams!


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you should try and harvest everything you can get to.
Dont worry the pins will not rot if their left behind,but will revert back to mycelium in time..
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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19202439 - 11/28/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You gotta at least try man
. Im sure you can find either brf or whole grain brown rice and grind yourself, along with half pint jars amd vermiculite in your area.. why not just biy shrooms on the street if your not interested in cultivating your own from sceatch? Its waaay cheaper and you dont meed a pc to start.. just steam sterilize for at least 90 min in a big pot.. and do a search for proper spore printing onto foil or into sterilized jars.. its all alot eadier than you think.. just have a little confidence in yourself and follow the pf tek to a T.. dont take shortcuts.. its so rewarding when.you grow shrooms from jars/bags you made yourself! Good luck man


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19202453 - 11/28/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Josh, if you think leaving mushroom flesh behind is not a problem, then why does everyone say to get all of the mushroom out/make sure to picks aborts? Bc they will rot over time and dont always become food for mycelium growth..rotting flesh is decomposing.. and decomposition will eventually lead to bacteria.. especially during later flushes. he already blew way too much loot on a shitty kit, migjt as well do things right and get the most out of it..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19202532 - 11/28/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm.. guys do you know any way to get the cake out of the kit? (I dont want to harm the cake for next flushes)
Somewhere i read something about thoothpicks?
Or adding some water or somethin?

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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19202555 - 11/28/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Use tweezers to grab any bits of fruit flesh that break off down in the sides.. if its one solid block cake just carefully dump it out and clean any aborts/stem pieces off before dunking for the second flush.. and next time around at least order some presterilized mycbags and inject spores in em.. you could buy 18+ half pound brf bags for the price of your kit..and fruit them right in the bag.. if you keep buying grow kits people will flame you and just be all around disrespectful bc your not putting any effort in buying low qaulity/high priced grow kits..


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    #19202652 - 11/28/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Josh, if you think leaving mushroom flesh behind is not a problem, then why does everyone say to get all of the mushroom out/make sure to picks aborts?





:shrug:juss cause :wink:..or maybe cause the aborts are most potent by weight..thats why i like em anyways..

not sure if this was brought up here..twisting/pulling or cutting bases,
but if its up to me i rather cut at the bases leaving stumps to revert,
(not every mushroom needs to be cut thou,some just nearly fall off when bent to side to side)
opposed to ripping chunks outta the substrate,
witch IME open the door for contams to take foothold there..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Josh.0]
    #19202707 - 11/28/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Tweezers is a nice idea i think i will stick on to that..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19202782 - 11/28/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Personally, i feel that leaving flesh to rot on cakes/casings/tubs is more likely to cause contams than twisting a shroom off and uprooting some substrate..bc if  your doing things properly your cakes should be fully colonized and consolidated, so if you expose new substrate by pulling a shroom off then the newly exposed substrate will be colonized and therefore contam resistant..

and the potency of aborts has nothing to do with wether it will contam or not.. aborts are very potent usually, but potency has nothing to do with cakes getting contaminated, it doesnt matter how much psilocybin/psilocin is in your cakes or mushrooms, it will not deter contams when given a chance to contaminate an area..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19202803 - 11/28/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Personally, i feel that leaving flesh to rot on cakes/casings/tubs is more likely to cause contams than twisting a shroom off and uprooting some sunstrate..bc i  your doing things properly your cakes should be fully colonized and consolidated, so if you expose new sunstrate by pulling a shroom off then the newly exposed substrate will be colonized and therefore contam resistant..




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In nearly 5 decades of growing many tens of thousands of bulk substrates, I've never seen one single stump left after cutting at the base start to rot. It's best not to repeat crap posted by noobs who blame any failure on the tek they used rather than their own mistakes.

I have however seen thousands of grows ruined by green mold which starts in the divot caused by ripping out a chunk of substrate.
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You should cut the mushrooms off at the base.  Usually, twist and pull leaves divots in the substrate which are prime breeding grounds for mold spores to germinate, ruining the whole substrate.  If it can be done without ripping out substrate it's fine, but most of the time that isn't the case, thus it's best to use a very sharp knife or razor to cut the mushrooms off at the base.  Some growers even use thread or fishing line to wrap around the base and then pull the ends to cut off the mushroom stem.
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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19202806 - 11/28/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mesqalin- i find teezers work awesome if you have aborts or pieces of mushie flesh left in the cake, its easier to grab broken off stem pieces with a pair of tweezers than fingers/finger nails


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    #19202822 - 11/28/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

NaH, its just what i read many, many times on here, and have seen areas of cakes bruise really bad where a small oiece was left in the substrate, but never had a contam from it.. but i can count the amount of times i left a piece of mushie after harvesting on a cake on one hand


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    #19202829 - 11/28/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually what does cutting from the base means that RR said ?

If i cut them from the base then there will be lots of roots left.. Because how they grow they are like in bulks.


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19202839 - 11/28/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually what does cutting from the base means that RR said ?



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If i cut them from the base then there will be lots of roots left.. Because how they grow they are like in bulks.



Mushrooms do not have "roots"....not sure about the second part of this comment either.....


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: PussyFart]
    #19202855 - 11/28/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry when i meant roots i meant the parts that will stay in the substrate when i cut them.


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #19202864 - 11/28/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There shouldnt really be any "roots" or parts of the mushrooms if you harvest em in a proper manner. by the time you get done with your first harvest you will have a good feel of how they should be harvested..:thumbup:


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: SamhainJ]
    #19202899 - 11/28/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There shouldnt really be any "roots" or parts of the mushrooms if you harvest em in a proper manner. by the time you get done with your first harvest you will have a good feel of how they should be harvested..:thumbup:




If you cut them off like a lot of people, yes, there will be stumps, not roots.  And no, the stumps will not rot.  Believe NAH.  He knows what he's doing.


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Forrester]
    #19203058 - 11/28/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I always stand corected when nah says something different than my answer.. i just feel it is good practice to pick as much of the mushroom off as possible.. like i said, ive never had contams from leaving a piece, but it has caused terrible bruising and musbrooms didnt grow from the spot where a piece of stem was left..


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Re: Mushrooms growing from sides first time grower ^^ [Re: Mesqalin]
    #20390636 - 08/08/14 04:30 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Argh at least yours are growing.


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