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Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time?
    #19184640 - 11/24/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is a serious question. Is he the greatest? I'm pretty convinced that he is, at this point. For my own listening purposes, he has redefined the way in which I interpret music. I feel like he has set a new standard for excellence, and I have had immense difficulty finding music that's on par. The level of composition that he brings to the table is simply a class above. He only needs to do a few more things to really cement his legacy, but I think he's on track to do a film score at some point in the near future, and I'm sure it will be mind-blowing. Thoughts or opinions?

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19184650 - 11/24/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not a deadmau5 fan, but can respect him


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19184655 - 11/24/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm guessing Simon posford of shpongle would get more votes than deadmoufive.  Make a poll already, I want to vote


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19184667 - 11/24/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Greatest?
I don't think so.
He's extremely talented, but I would hold Jon Gooch (Spor, Feed Me, Seventh Stitch) above him. I find Jon's better at mixing/mastering/synth design, etc.
Zedd is also very musically talented. As is Savant (but he has an advantage it seems)
And on top of that, Daft Punk has them all beat. By a long shot. haha

And don't forget about Shpongle, Infected Mushroom

Joel is up there, and his new "7" album/LP sounds amazing, and I love how he's venturing into non electronic production now.

With that said, I wouldn't necessarily say he's the greatest - though he's definitely one of most successful.  Good ol' dead mow five.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: MrHill]
    #19184718 - 11/24/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Greatest?
I don't think so.
He's extremely talented, but I would hold Jon Gooch (Spor, Feed Me, Seventh Stitch) above him. I find Jon's better at mixing/mastering/synth design, etc.
Zedd is also very musically talented. As is Savant (but he has an advantage it seems)
And on top of that, Daft Punk has them all beat. By a long shot. haha

And don't forget about Shpongle, Infected Mushroom

Joel is up there, and his new "7" album/LP sounds amazing, and I love how he's venturing into non electronic production now.

With that said, I wouldn't necessarily say he's the greatest - though he's definitely one of most successful.  Good ol' dead mow five.




Fair points. I disagree about Daft Punk, however, although popular opinion seems to place them very highly indeed, so it's not really an opinion that you're expressing. Never inspired by their music, personally. I think that Joel (Deadmau5) could be onto something big, depending on what direction he goes in what with his new EP and his forthcoming album. It could upstage anything he's done before, but that would not be easy to do. Deadmau5, by virtue of being very independent and ego-centric, has kind of been able to do something very special with his music. It's kind of like it's all Joel all the time and he's really just refined his art to a point of true mastery. I mean, he makes a brand of music that is very distinctly his own, and I think he wants it that way. But it really is a unique product, and when you get into For Lack of a Better Name and Random Album Title, well that's a slice of heaven. I go into those albums completely sober and I still go on journeys to the center of my own mind. It's amazing stuff.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19184733 - 11/24/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19184739 - 11/24/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

True true, I'm in no way hating on deadmau5, he's a beast at what he does and really markets his brand well. On top of that, he's extremely talented, and also has the ability to find other extremely talented artists blow them up. haha

I'm not a fan of Daft Punk's older stuff, not to say that it isn't exceptionally good, it's just not my style.
They really blew me away with their latest album though. R.A.M. is questionably one of the best albums of the 2000's. Period. 
The fusion of genres, the fucking perfect quality of instruments and voices, the lyrics (Get Lucky aside.. that's my least favorite song on the album), and the overall composition. No one's on their level, or even close for that matter. 
They basically defined the progression of electronic music.
Check out the track titled "Touch". Very awesome.

I do enjoy other artist's music a lot more than DP, but I know talent and perfection when I see it.

Deadmau5 is up there, top 10 producers for sure, but he's not on some other's level. He has a good mix of composition, synths, creativity, and brand, but others do it better.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: MrHill] * 1
    #19186917 - 11/25/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think Liam Howlett, Simon Posford, old Infected Mushroom, Daft Punk, Boards of Canada blow Deadmau5 out of the water in terms of ingenuity, talent, listening ability, sound design, composition,

I really don't understand why people like Deadmau5, besides maybe his whole image, which is like going to Disney Land in a musical way. I find his music boring, and too simple for my tastes.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19189104 - 11/25/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Give these a listen.





Zomby isn't my all time favorite, but his melodies are amazing to me personally. I'd definitely put him above deadmau5.

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19190174 - 11/26/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The answer is clearly no. Deadmouse? Come on, maybe if all we're talking about is dance/rave/house music, which is basically all that has been mentioned in this thread. The only exceptions to that are Sphongle who isn't very diverse, Boards of Canada which is pretty weak overall and Daft Punk which is about as cheesy as it gets. If you think their latest album is so great go pick up a Steely Dan record from the late 70's/early 80's and hear that kinda shit done right, with some actual harmonic content and class.

My vote for Greatest Electronic Producer of the channels of music I've traveled would have to go to Squarepusher or maybe Cevin Key, Richard D. James or Sascha Konietzko. And that's boldly giving no credit to prolific pioneers like Stockhausen, Vangelis, Eno, Tomita, countless Japanese composers (honorable mention to the prog and fusion guys) who pioneered and developed all the tools and elements of modern electronic music.

This EDM crap that's so ubiquitous now, even the best of it, is a tiny sliver of the spectrum of what's possible. To say that Deadmouse is the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time makes you sound like you're about 14 and brain dead from Ecstasy.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
    #19191317 - 11/26/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



i believe eoto would school any electronic artist out there.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka] * 1
    #19191360 - 11/26/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The answer is clearly no. Deadmouse? Come on, maybe if all we're talking about is dance/rave/house music, which is basically all that has been mentioned in this thread. The only exceptions to that are Sphongle who isn't very diverse, Boards of Canada which is pretty weak overall and Daft Punk which is about as cheesy as it gets. If you think their latest album is so great go pick up a Steely Dan record from the late 70's/early 80's and hear that kinda shit done right, with some actual harmonic content and class.

My vote for Greatest Electronic Producer of the channels of music I've traveled would have to go to Squarepusher or maybe Cevin Key, Richard D. James or Sascha Konietzko. And that's boldly giving no credit to prolific pioneers like Stockhausen, Vangelis, Eno, Tomita, countless Japanese composers (honorable mention to the prog and fusion guys) who pioneered and developed all the tools and elements of modern electronic music.

This EDM crap that's so ubiquitous now, even the best of it, is a tiny sliver of the spectrum of what's possible. To say that Deadmouse is the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time makes you sound like you're about 14 and brain dead from Ecstasy.



:whathesaid:
Deadmause is pretty dam weak. Dam weak. 3 out of 10 on a talent scale, maybe less. Probably less. 2 out of 10. Im being generous.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: theonlysun81]
    #19192443 - 11/26/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The answer is clearly no. Deadmouse? Come on, maybe if all we're talking about is dance/rave/house music, which is basically all that has been mentioned in this thread. The only exceptions to that are Sphongle who isn't very diverse, Boards of Canada which is pretty weak overall and Daft Punk which is about as cheesy as it gets. If you think their latest album is so great go pick up a Steely Dan record from the late 70's/early 80's and hear that kinda shit done right, with some actual harmonic content and class.

My vote for Greatest Electronic Producer of the channels of music I've traveled would have to go to Squarepusher or maybe Cevin Key, Richard D. James or Sascha Konietzko. And that's boldly giving no credit to prolific pioneers like Stockhausen, Vangelis, Eno, Tomita, countless Japanese composers (honorable mention to the prog and fusion guys) who pioneered and developed all the tools and elements of modern electronic music.

This EDM crap that's so ubiquitous now, even the best of it, is a tiny sliver of the spectrum of what's possible. To say that Deadmouse is the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time makes you sound like you're about 14 and brain dead from Ecstasy.




Well, I've rolled just the two times so I hope I'm not irreparably damaged from that. Anyway, I find it very difficult to believe that an electronic music fan, which you seem to be, would not appreciate what Deadmau5 does. Kudos to BoC, Richard D. James, and Squarepusher. God bless them all and I love some of their music. I really do. Deadmau5 is difficult to compare musically to those guys, which is part of the problem, but he's nothing to scoff at. It seems like you have a group of people, which includes me, that are hardcore Deadmau5 fans, and then you have another group of people who say he's shit and give him no credit for what he does. It's very polarized. I feel like you haven't even really given his music an honest listen, or even a chance. It's not that generic EDM crap, and neither is dubstep or whatever other label you could throw out there. Frankly, he's a musical prodigy, but this is shrouded by those labels I just mentioned.

But seriously, you mustn't really be listening his music, because you just would not say those things. There's no way. His fans give him a bit of a bad reputation, but that's not necessarily his fault. What he has accomplished is nothing short of incredible. You should look at his entire body of work. This bit is one of my all time faves.



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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19194627 - 11/26/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #19194669 - 11/26/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

DEFINITELY not. First of all, when you say 'electronic producer' that is SO BROAD man. Deadmau5 makes pretty amazing progressive house, that's what I would say.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #19194720 - 11/26/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I enjoy deadmau5, don't get me wrong, but claiming he is a "musical prodigy" or "the greatest producer of all time" is a very short sighted statement. His technical know-how is spot on as well as his audio aesthetic but as a person he's a bit meh(so far as I can tell from interviews and having seen him perform live). Besides all the fantastic producers listed I would contend that the one of the top producers/classically trained musicians is Daedelus.

He blows every other producer I've seen out of the water in all categories. The guys been on the scene for over 10 years without much recognition, and crafts the most diverse and cohesive tracks I've ever heard to date. Everything from ambient, musique concrete, drum and bass, symphony music, EDM, hip hop, rock, and samba(the list goes on and on) he's practically mastered the production of. Also his 256 and 64 button monome with an accelerometer takes way more talent to utilize than deadmau5's setup, let alone sound as sublime. If you truly love electronica check this guy out, makes deadmau5 look like a kid with an ipod and a cheap Numark CDJ.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #19194974 - 11/27/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What does the greatest mean?
how do you define greatness?

are we talking about popularity?  artistic ability?  composition?  taste in music?

I say never mind all that
why do we always want compare cocks and prove that the music we listen to is the best?
I remember back in the day when nobody knew about shpongle and I'd try to explain it to someone who didn't know anything about electronic music, they'd be like "Oh so it's some techno shit huh?"  I'd get piiisssed  :kingcrankey: 

But eventually I was like whats the point of getting myself pissed off.  The point is to enjoy the music, when I'm trying to prove to others that who I'm listening to is the best I'm missing the point.  Taste is mostly subjective anyway.....

If you enjoy the music, if it makes you feel good......who gives the shit about who's the best or what anyone else thinks?

I mean shit nowadays I even like Lindsey Stirling - I bet you I would've thought that was gay back in the day :lol:


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: bloodbrother778] * 1
    #19195004 - 11/27/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Greatest Producer implies a great contribution to music...which is why EDMish EDM is kind of out of the running.

If you were showing people the latest Sphongle album and they replied "Oh so it's some techno shit" they wouldn't be far off, the latest record I heard is basically decorative house music.

As for, "if it makes you feel good...", I think this can be a trap. You'll be seduced by anything if this is your standard of measure.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
    #19195026 - 11/27/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you were showing people the latest Sphongle album and they replied "Oh so it's some techno shit" they wouldn't be far off, the latest record I heard is basically decorative house music.






If you're taking about museum of consciousness, I didn't like the album very much either, but to describe it as house.......makes me think you really have no idea what you're talking about.  I don't think it resembles house in any way shape or form.


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As for, "if it makes you feel good...", I think this can be a trap. You'll be seduced by anything if this is your standard of measure.




You're assuming that I like just anything, which I don't.  While I agree that a mindless search for sensory pleasure is not the best thing, that's not what I mean.

All I'm saying is that enjoyment should be a bigger priority than critique.  Why do we have to impose all sorts of conditions on something in order to be happy?  This is precisely why we aren't happy - because really we are only giving ourselves the possibility of not being happy if our conditions are not fulfilled.  Why not just be happy regardless of whether your conditions are fulfilled or not?


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #19195461 - 11/27/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I enjoy deadmau5, don't get me wrong, but claiming he is a "musical prodigy" or "the greatest producer of all time" is a very short sighted statement. His technical know-how is spot on as well as his audio aesthetic but as a person he's a bit meh(so far as I can tell from interviews and having seen him perform live). Besides all the fantastic producers listed I would contend that the one of the top producers/classically trained musicians is Daedelus.

He blows every other producer I've seen out of the water in all categories. The guys been on the scene for over 10 years without much recognition, and crafts the most diverse and cohesive tracks I've ever heard to date. Everything from ambient, musique concrete, drum and bass, symphony music, EDM, hip hop, rock, and samba(the list goes on and on) he's practically mastered the production of. Also his 256 and 64 button monome with an accelerometer takes way more talent to utilize than deadmau5's setup, let alone sound as sublime. If you truly love electronica check this guy out, makes deadmau5 look like a kid with an ipod and a cheap Numark CDJ.




One of the main reasons I made this thread was to actually have a conversation about the musican-ship that Deadmau5 brings to the table, and to talk about him in terms of the all-time greats. Because frankly he doesn't get nearly enough recognition for the depth of his music. Your post kind of sums it up. I mean, I feel that he should be in that conversation. Someone brings up Deadmau5, and then someone goes " fuck that shit go listen to REAL electronic music like Aphex or Squarepusher." I completely disagree and feel like that's short sighted. I have a feeling that if Deadmau5 weren't mainstream or popular, he would have more credibility among connoisseurs of fine electronic music. Maybe not. Idk. But he's brilliant in his own right.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #19195638 - 11/27/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What does the greatest mean?
how do you define greatness?

are we talking about popularity?  artistic ability?  composition?  taste in music?

I say never mind all that
why do we always want compare cocks and prove that the music we listen to is the best?
I remember back in the day when nobody knew about shpongle and I'd try to explain it to someone who didn't know anything about electronic music, they'd be like "Oh so it's some techno shit huh?"  I'd get piiisssed  :kingcrankey: 

But eventually I was like whats the point of getting myself pissed off.  The point is to enjoy the music, when I'm trying to prove to others that who I'm listening to is the best I'm missing the point.  Taste is mostly subjective anyway.....

If you enjoy the music, if it makes you feel good......who gives the shit about who's the best or what anyone else thinks?

I mean shit nowadays I even like Lindsey Stirling - I bet you I would've thought that was gay back in the day :lol:




I think by greatness he means talent.



so if you'd refer back to my Eoto video.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19195866 - 11/27/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This is a serious question. Is he the greatest? I'm pretty convinced that he is, at this point. For my own listening purposes, he has redefined the way in which I interpret music. I feel like he has set a new standard for excellence, and I have had immense difficulty finding music that's on par. The level of composition that he brings to the table is simply a class above. He only needs to do a few more things to really cement his legacy, but I think he's on track to do a film score at some point in the near future, and I'm sure it will be mind-blowing. Thoughts or opinions?

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: theonlysun81]
    #19196035 - 11/27/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

bloodbrother778 said:
What does the greatest mean?
how do you define greatness?

are we talking about popularity?  artistic ability?  composition?  taste in music?

I say never mind all that
why do we always want compare cocks and prove that the music we listen to is the best?
I remember back in the day when nobody knew about shpongle and I'd try to explain it to someone who didn't know anything about electronic music, they'd be like "Oh so it's some techno shit huh?"  I'd get piiisssed  :kingcrankey: 

But eventually I was like whats the point of getting myself pissed off.  The point is to enjoy the music, when I'm trying to prove to others that who I'm listening to is the best I'm missing the point.  Taste is mostly subjective anyway.....

If you enjoy the music, if it makes you feel good......who gives the shit about who's the best or what anyone else thinks?

I mean shit nowadays I even like Lindsey Stirling - I bet you I would've thought that was gay back in the day :lol:




I think by greatness he means talent.



so if you'd refer back to my Eoto video.




Actually no, not strictly talent. Eoto could be mare talented, idk. But that's not really important. What matters is the final product that you're putting out there. There is more convoluted, polyrhythmic,  and other-wordly music than what Deadmau5 puts out there, sure. And I've heard some terrific electronic music with great inspiration, fascinating tones, and intriguing melodies, but that's all ancillary to actually producing a song, which is what really matters. The final product. Aphex Twin is a great example of an artist with some brilliant shit, but some of his songs just kind of wander. He is an exemplary talent, many and I also feel, but his production quality is not top notch. I love Stone in Focus, a nice ambient piece, but that song is very stagnant, and it doesn't really go anywhere. That's where Deadmau5 shines. He composes electronic music, and whatever lack of creativity he is accused of having, he compensates for in just how damn well he puts tracks together. And that really matters on the listener's end.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19196241 - 11/27/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #19196505 - 11/27/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you're taking about museum of consciousness, I didn't like the album very much either, but to describe it as house.......makes me think you really have no idea what you're talking about.  I don't think it resembles house in any way shape or form.




It very closely resembles house in it's shape and form. Before house, you had disco on the dance floor. The rhythmic content of this music was a pulsing four beat measure with a low register accent on every beat and that was the essence of it. Then house came along and usurped the role of disco in the dance/club/mating behavior party environment. House is essentially just a highly repetitive pulsing four beat measure and that is all it fundamentally is musically. Anything else, hihats, synths, melodic hooks here and there, vocal samples, whatever, is just decoration.

Whatever neat little sub-genres of EDM that have come along since house that have this same rhythmic content that you think are so different from house really are not. Now let's look at a track from the latest Shpongle album. Once you get past the decorative intro at about two minutes in what do you have?:



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All I'm saying is that enjoyment should be a bigger priority than critique.



They don't really need to be and are not really separate. I don't enjoy stuff like the video I just posted or Deadmouse because it has almost nothing to offer in any musical sense. It's very generic rhythmically and melodically, it lacks harmonic content and how well it's produced really doesn't mean shit if there's no real, unique content to begin with. The reasons I don't enjoy it are the same reasons I critique it.


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Why do we have to impose all sorts of conditions on something in order to be happy? This is precisely why we aren't happy - because really we are only giving ourselves the possibility of not being happy if our conditions are not fulfilled. 


 
I think you have it backwards. I'm not satisfied with most electronic music because it's generic crap. It's not that I'm placing some arbitrary parameters on what qualifies as unique and musical. Instead the shit heap of generic EDM and most modern music fails to live up to these standards on its own.


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Why not just be happy regardless of whether your conditions are fulfilled or not?



I really don't know what you mean by "be happy" or what it has to do with anything. Happiness is irrelevant. It's a term used to describe a piece of the dynamic spectrum of life experience. It's a transient emotional concept and a favorite modern scapegoat. I don't see what it has to do with critiquing music.


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    #19198429 - 11/27/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thought I'd leave this here as an example of the greatness that is Daedelus. First time posting a video so hope this works.


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Thought I'd leave this here as an example of the greatness that is Daedelus. First time posting a video so hope this works.





That's pretty neat, and I own a monome, so I can definitely appreciate what he's doing. But it was a bit chaotic. Definitely cool. But a broad palette of sounds/samples just got shoved in my face. I mean, what do you subjectively see as being the greatness here? I'm not saying it's not. Just wondering. I think I can appreciate this, and I would expect that Deadmau5 could get similar appreciation. It's a different brand of music, but still great in it's own right. Deadmau5. with a song like Strobe, is on the opposite end of the spectrum as something like this, but it deserves recognition not only from legions of drugged out ravers and clubbers, but from connoisseurs of electronic music. I think there's bias towards a certain type of electronic music, like that Aphex Twin more or less started, as being inherently genius or brilliant.


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    #19198853 - 11/27/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This was just a small example of his live recorded performance, which tends to be broad and chaotic intentionally. Its not a shining example of his more subtle work but a brief snippet. However here's something a touch more minimalistic, ignore the "gangster" sample and this is gold. He played each instrument sampled here himself.

I like Deadmau5 for four on the floor progressive house, Daedelus caters to my experimental and classically inclined musical taste. In regards to musicianship I'm not sure Deadmau5 plays any acoustic instruments, or has classical training like Daedelus, but he has a discerning ear that I can appreciate. I have my preferences and I acknowledge that it affects whom I would pick in my top producers, but subjectively this guy has immense musical chops in comparison to Deadmau5 as well as having more artistic integrity(he won't stop a show 30 minutes early because he feels like it or have his squeeze of the moment sing for the last half of his set. Just my experience).

More importantly, just look at that hair and windsor knot combo!


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
    #19199260 - 11/28/13 03:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Vivetka:

I agree with you on most of your points
I too think that most electronic music out there is crap, and am also not a fan of the beats like the ones in the track you posted.  I was definitely disappointed by shpongle taking a step back in that direction from their original approach, like say this track here:



Although I don't think the beat alone defines the style, I think you are overgeneralizing when you call this house music simply because of a "house" beat.  If that were true then what would be the difference between techno/trance and psytrance?  I think there is a big difference even though the beats may be the same like the choice of synths sounds, buildup, intensity, even voice samples are different.

As far as the happiness thing goes - to me that is the whole point of listening to music, I like what I like and if someone else doesn't like it who cares.  Similarly if someone else likes what I do not like why should I take it upon myself to tell them that it's crap?  Yes I understand that there are differences in artistic talent, uniqueness, and creativity (which is precisely what I look for in music as well).  But really if someone enjoys listening to a less talented artist I don't think I should be trying to subtract from their enjoyment - doing so would be missing the point for me.

But to each his own....
Critiquing music seems to be what makes you happy at this point...So carry on. More power to ya :thumbup:


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #19199902 - 11/28/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This was just a small example of his live recorded performance, which tends to be broad and chaotic intentionally. Its not a shining example of his more subtle work but a brief snippet. However here's something a touch more minimalistic, ignore the "gangster" sample and this is gold. He played each instrument sampled here himself.

I like Deadmau5 for four on the floor progressive house, Daedelus caters to my experimental and classically inclined musical taste. In regards to musicianship I'm not sure Deadmau5 plays any acoustic instruments, or has classical training like Daedelus, but he has a discerning ear that I can appreciate. I have my preferences and I acknowledge that it affects whom I would pick in my top producers, but subjectively this guy has immense musical chops in comparison to Deadmau5 as well as having more artistic integrity(he won't stop a show 30 minutes early because he feels like it or have his squeeze of the moment sing for the last half of his set. Just my experience).

More importantly, just look at that hair and windsor knot combo!




Totally, it's wicked. I really do love it. No, Daedelus and Deadmau5 were two guys I saw using the monome at one point, which is why I picked it up, and Daedelus certainly uses it much more masterfully. There's no doubt about that. Daedelus has more musical chops as well, so you definitely have to respect that. And I do. For all intents and purposes, Deadmau5, in the past, has just used Ableton and some virtual instruments and that's been the extent of it. Which people seem to have an inherent problem with, although I don't quite understand why. But it's not strictly about musicianship with electronic music, and Deadmau5 just knows how to make shit that sounds good. Period. It is almost all 4 on the floor music, but that has more to do with the genre. So preference comes into it, but he doesn't deserve to be dismissed for that.

My objective wasn't to assert that Deadmau5 rules and everyone else is shit, but I wanted to try to have a conversation with a community that I figure has a pretty good taste in electronic music in regards to his quality as an artist. Clearly, it's my personal preference, however, I feel his music deserved more credit, because he does make some very interesting and dynamic music. I think this track is exemplary of what he brings to the table. Fascinating sound scape. Intelligently sequenced. Very regimented. Very precise. Extremely well produced. And it's just a groovy beat.

One thing that you may or may not realize, also, it that Deadmau5 specifically makes DJ-Friendly music. That's why you have the long intros and outros, which may be a minute or longer. Also, keeping the same time sig. and tempo, at 128 bpm, makes his music mix together very cohesively, which is by design what he wants.


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This was just a small example of his live recorded performance, which tends to be broad and chaotic intentionally. Its not a shining example of his more subtle work but a brief snippet. However here's something a touch more minimalistic, ignore the "gangster" sample and this is gold. He played each instrument sampled here himself.

I like Deadmau5 for four on the floor progressive house, Daedelus caters to my experimental and classically inclined musical taste. In regards to musicianship I'm not sure Deadmau5 plays any acoustic instruments, or has classical training like Daedelus, but he has a discerning ear that I can appreciate. I have my preferences and I acknowledge that it affects whom I would pick in my top producers, but subjectively this guy has immense musical chops in comparison to Deadmau5 as well as having more artistic integrity(he won't stop a show 30 minutes early because he feels like it or have his squeeze of the moment sing for the last half of his set. Just my experience).

More importantly, just look at that hair and windsor knot combo!




Totally, it's wicked. I really do love it. No, Daedelus and Deadmau5 were two guys I saw using the monome at one point, which is why I picked it up, and Daedelus certainly uses it much more masterfully. There's no doubt about that. Daedelus has more musical chops as well, so you definitely have to respect that. And I do. For all intents and purposes, Deadmau5, in the past, has just used Ableton and some virtual instruments and that's been the extent of it. Which people seem to have an inherent problem with, although I don't quite understand why. But it's not strictly about musicianship with electronic music, and Deadmau5 just knows how to make shit that sounds good. Period. It is almost all 4 on the floor music, but that has more to do with the genre. So preference comes into it, but he doesn't deserve to be dismissed for that.

My objective wasn't to assert that Deadmau5 rules and everyone else is shit, but I wanted to try to have a conversation with a community that I figure has a pretty good taste in electronic music in regards to his quality as an artist. Clearly, it's my personal preference, however, I feel his music deserved more credit, because he does make some very interesting and dynamic music. I think this track is exemplary of what he brings to the table. Fascinating sound scape. Intelligently sequenced. Very regimented. Very precise. Extremely well produced. And it's just a groovy beat.

One thing that you may or may not realize, also, it that Deadmau5 specifically makes DJ-Friendly music. That's why you have the long intros and outros, which may be a minute or longer. Also, keeping the same time sig. and tempo, at 128 bpm, makes his music mix together very cohesively, which is by design what he wants.




I agree with absolutely everything you said, the title of the thread was "is Deadmau5 the greatest electronic producer of all time" and I think its been answered. He is one of the greats but is not the greatest. I'm very aware that his music is meant to be DJ friendly, but what constitutes DJ friendly is changing rapidly with advances in both hardware and software. I believe Daedelus and Deadmau5 are far ahead of the curve than names like Avicii or David Geutta in that respect.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #19201030 - 11/28/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The title was meant to be a bit, well, provocative. Not trolling, but designed to get attention. He's one of the best right now, and I think one of the best of the lot. I can honestly say that I love Aphex Twin, BoC, The Prodigy, Zomby, Trentmoller, and yes, Deadmau5 too. All are brilliant in their own right. Deadmau5 deserves his place in that conversation. He absolutely does.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #19201090 - 11/28/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Although I don't think the beat alone defines the style, I think you are overgeneralizing when you call this house music simply because of a "house" beat.  If that were true then what would be the difference between techno/trance and psytrance?



Nothing, really. That's my point. The musical content is pretty much exactly the same. As compared to music of the world overall, not EDM. That's what I'm saying. EDM is this huge incestuous genre and a majority of it is just house music fundamentally. House came first and many of these sub-genres are not significantly different from house.

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I think there is a big difference even though the beats may be the same like the choice of synths sounds, buildup, intensity, even voice samples are different.



Really? So you're saying the structure and form of the music is the same("the beats") but there's a big difference because some of the textures and dynamics are a bit different? I think you have an insular view of what constitutes musical content. It's a common, major problem. It's why we have so much similar, tired, generic music.

As for the Shpongle video you posted, look, an EDM track in 7/8. Now there is something different! Some actual difference of form and content. And see how it lends to the uniqueness and creativity of the track.

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But really if someone enjoys listening to a less talented artist I don't think I should be trying to subtract from their enjoyment - doing so would be missing the point for me.



Right, the point being that people enjoy different things and some enjoy lapping up generic mediocrity. But this is a point from a consumer mentality. The point of my crticality is custodial in nature - what is it that plagues modern music and what is the medicine.

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Critiquing music seems to be what makes you happy at this point...So carry on.



Again, happiness is irrelevant. I'm calling out a lot of this EDM for what it is as an effort toward the above stated goal. It's going to be hard for electronic music to develop it's potential when so many people think there is a "big difference" between trance and psytrance. Of course most people don't give a fuck and just want music to party to. I don't think that's really a worthwhile creative pursuit and I'm disturbed that so many producers are fixated on these generic forms. I'm trying to hold on to some morale for humanity's sake here. I have my misanthropic tendencies but it doesn't mean I want music shoveled onto the garbage heap of society along with most everything else.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19201101 - 11/28/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

iv always enjoyed bt a lot. deadmau5 is ok to me, def could be worse


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #19201206 - 11/28/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I sometimes just like to classify genres using BPM. It's a bit general but it works.


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    #19201535 - 11/28/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What a wicked thread.  It's impossible to declare an artist with such a title IMO.

Deadmau5 to me?  Crap.  Great music, douche of a personality, skewed message entirely with how he acts upon and alongside his creations.  Thinking of Deadmau5 instantly rings Feed Me/Spore in my brain, even though they focused on different genres for the most part.  Feed Me evolved a lot better as an artist and progressed/evolved his masterpieces at a higher rate than the mau5man... if we're looking at talent as a whole, Feed Me has him beat by a long shot.

But like I said earlier, dictating this is pointless.  The best part about electronic music is the adventure one has to take in mastering sections of their piece.  You can approach it traditionally, follow best practices, or get experimental and output interesting results that you can eventually tame to something all ears can appreciate.  That's what sets a good electronic producer apart from the rest.

I don't know how these guys approach mastering or if they constantly seek feedback during the songwriting process, but it really seems like the key component of their productions is having access and ties to equipment that the average producer would never have.

That being said (once more), I fucking love what he did with Remember Me, but that track featured Kaskade and that dude's magic to his own merit, as well.

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Take into consideration the electronic producers who attack different genres.  Hell, take all of the hip-hop/rap producers into consideration while we're at it.  Give Deltron 3030 a listen, focus on the lyrics, enjoy the well-relax and well-nourished beats that surround the words, and tell me that production and concept wasn't perfect as a whole... I double-dare you, mothafucka.

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: egads]
    #19202574 - 11/28/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What a wicked thread.  It's impossible to declare an artist with such a title IMO.

Deadmau5 to me?  Crap.  Great music, douche of a personality, skewed message entirely with how he acts upon and alongside his creations.  Thinking of Deadmau5 instantly rings Feed Me/Spore in my brain, even though they focused on different genres for the most part.  Feed Me evolved a lot better as an artist and progressed/evolved his masterpieces at a higher rate than the mau5man... if we're looking at talent as a whole, Feed Me has him beat by a long shot.






First of all, Feed Me is pretty kick ass. No doubt. But his music, in many ways, is so reminiscent of Deadmau5'. The influence there is so prominent, that I find it distracting, particularly in his earlier stuff. He was on Deadmau5' label, after all, but now he's moving in a different direction, so credit to him there.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19203069 - 11/28/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

His best song is strobe and he hasn't mad anything anywhere comparable since.
The only reason his track "Ghost n Stuff" did so well is Rob Swire.
He admittly prerecords his sets ahread of time and just presses play and waves his hands for two hours.
He time and time again proves himself to be a shit person with his actions and interactions.
I have little to no respect for him.

I'm glad I got to see him back in 09 and 10 before I realized how much of an ass he was.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
    #19203435 - 11/29/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think you have an insular view of what constitutes musical content. It's a common, major problem. It's why we have so much similar, tired, generic music.






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His best song is strobe and he hasn't mad anything anywhere comparable since.
The only reason his track "Ghost n Stuff" did so well is Rob Swire.
He admittly prerecords his sets ahread of time and just presses play and waves his hands for two hours.
He time and time again proves himself to be a shit person with his actions and interactions.
I have little to no respect for him.

I'm glad I got to see him back in 09 and 10 before I realized how much of an ass he was.




Can I argue with anything you've said? No. I can't. You're right on all counts. But this is isn't about character. I'm not going to be more or less interested in an artist because they're either an upstanding person or a complete asshole. It's strictly about the music. I mean, shit, I've heard that he spits on his own fans and he's been punched in the face after a set on at least one occasion. So yeah he's a shithead. But, again, that doesn't really factor into his music being good or not. Strobe is an epic, well, masterpiece, but I can assure you that he has many more.


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    #19209022 - 11/30/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry there were 2 Bad Mice before and they were muuuchhhhhh better.

Well it's not exactly hard to be better then pressing play but hey...


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Sorry there were 2 Bad Mice before and they were muuuchhhhhh better.

Well it's not exactly hard to be better then pressing play but hey...




I don't understand this comment. Yeah during a live set, he and almost everyone else in the industry presses play. That's how you start the playback of a song. In the studio he doesn't just press play and then voila that makes a track. If you have a sequencer, it's just complete silence unless you put the sounds in. So yeah he makes the songs, and then when he performs, he presses play to play them back to the audience. I don't see how that's a knock on him, honestly. And again, I don't think he's an amazing live performer. This is strictly about the music.

And for the record, this is really the style of music that really saw him rise to fame, because it's changed a bit over the years:


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    #19209218 - 11/30/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Over here they have several sequencers, synthesizers & DAWS hooked up to eachother and they produce the sounds live.

Liveset... Press play? What is this blasphemy?

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Over here they have several sequencers, synthesizers & DAWS hooked up to eachother and they produce the sounds live.

Liveset... Press play? What is this blasphemy?

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Right, people certainly do that. And that is a possibility, but Deadmau5 couldn't feasibly perform his songs in real time. It would be too difficult. And even if you decided to trigger everything on stage and make the arrangement with sequencers and synths, you can't just whip up that kind of music. It's very delicately arranged and everything single sample or sound is deliberately placed in the mix. You couldn't compose Strobe, a ten minute song, live.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19210770 - 12/01/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm, I disagree. There's a lot of artists in the industry that do more than just push play. Sure, a lot of them do... but...
I mean, fucking look at pretty lights.. He has a full band up there with him - it's so tight.
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Hmmm, I disagree. There's a lot of artists in the industry that do more than just push play. Sure, a lot of them do... but...
I mean, fucking look at pretty lights.. He has a full band up there with him - it's so tight.
And here's someone playing Strobe live.





Right but most of that is prerecorded. He recorded the samples earlier, and he already had all of the note sequences prepared in advanced. He didn't really play it live. And that's the nature of electronic music.  And Deadmau5 made that song on his computer, I believe, without any outboard gear. My point is that it would make no sense for him to sequence that song in real time, and it wouldn't make any difference. It's just more work to do it the way this kid is doing it. So again, I find it difficult to criticize someone for not making his life harder than it needs to be. And Deadmau5 is just one guy, who does everything, so you can't compare him to a band. If he were in a band, than yes he could do his songs live. So again, that's difficult to criticize.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19212099 - 12/01/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time?"






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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Big Worm]
    #19212360 - 12/01/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm just saying, the difference between deadmau5, and other musicians, is not just pushing play vs. playing a track live.
The reason concerts shows are fun, is because the artist preforms it for you.
People don't want to hear the same thing they've heard on their iPod for the past two years.
They want soul.
They want improvisation.
They want connection.
They want to be a part of something bigger than a 320 kbps mp3 file.
It's something that Deadmau5, and a lot of other producers can't seem to provide.

And Pretty Lights is just one guy, but he hired two brass players, a drummer, a keyboardist, and an extra DJ to make his shows phenomenal.
He finds a way to really connect with his fans.
Something that I don't think Deadmau5 has the creative intellect to do.


But really, who cares?
we're all entitled to our own opinion.
I don't get why people get so butthurt over music choices anyways.
It's like "Oh... You don't like coffee? How? Go fuck yourself, it's the best thing ever". Haha, it just doesn't make any sense.
Music is 100% opinion based, so I think it's really hard to give anyone producer the title of "the greatest electronic producer ever"

But either way, Deadmau5 doesn't reach it in his composition, production level, attitude, etc.
It's like saying Usher is the best singer ever or something. Deadmau5 is basically pop.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #19212472 - 12/01/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: MrHill]
    #19212532 - 12/01/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm just saying, the difference between deadmau5, and other musicians, is not just pushing play vs. playing a track live.
The reason concerts shows are fun, is because the artist preforms it for you.
People don't want to hear the same thing they've heard on their iPod for the past two years.
They want soul.
They want improvisation.
They want connection.
They want to be a part of something bigger than a 320 kbps mp3 file.
It's something that Deadmau5, and a lot of other producers can't seem to provide.

And Pretty Lights is just one guy, but he hired two brass players, a drummer, a keyboardist, and an extra DJ to make his shows phenomenal.
He finds a way to really connect with his fans.
Something that I don't think Deadmau5 has the creative intellect to do.


But really, who cares?
we're all entitled to our own opinion.
I don't get why people get so butthurt over music choices anyways.
It's like "Oh... You don't like coffee? How? Go fuck yourself, it's the best thing ever". Haha, it just doesn't make any sense.
Music is 100% opinion based, so I think it's really hard to give anyone producer the title of "the greatest electronic producer ever"

But either way, Deadmau5 doesn't reach it in his composition, production level, attitude, etc.
It's like saying Usher is the best singer ever or something. Deadmau5 is basically pop.




This is again the same stuff that gets said about Deadmau5 and his music, which is strictly wrong. Whether or not you like his music is an opinion, but whether or not he's a great producer is not really an opinion. It's substantiated fact. I just don't see how people dismiss his music, I really don't. That doesn't compute. It's like you don't even know who I'm talking about and are just making sweeping generalizations. He wanted to get famous, and he wanted be pretty mainstream, and that's what he did. If that bothers you, that's one thing, but that was a personal decision that he made for his own reasons. Pretty Lights is more than acceptable in my book, but if that's your measuring stick for quality or whatever, then Deadmau5 just isn't doing the same thing so that's not really fair, or sensible. He's one guy, doing everything, and that's how he wants it. This wasn't about his live shows, which aren't the best anyway, I agree. He makes a different brand of music from what you consider to be good, apparently, but it's still good, I can assure you. He makes some variation of progressive house, which is by design, less noisy and less cluttered than some other varieties of electronic music. It's also minimalistic, in many ways. If you're listening to it and you want it be something other than what it is, then you'll find yourself unable to get into it or appreciate it on any level. Also, it's not thinking man's music whatsoever, and it's not meant to be. It has a very heavy emphasis on evoking certain emotions, which is again what he's trying to do with it. And he accomplishes that.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Robo]
    #19212588 - 12/01/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Drop you like a needle on the record, scratch my itch
Watch you walk in circles hit the beat
Drop you like a needle on the record, flip my switch
Go around in circles, hit the beat"
Sofi needs a latter, fucking brilliant song along with all the rest of deadmau5 music.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Ryestals]
    #19215018 - 12/01/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Holy fuckin' hell, this thread is hilarious.

"Do you think this shitty Producer/DJ is the greatest?"

"NNNOOO, this shitty Producer/DJ I listen to is way better!!" (link to worthless song)

"No way man, the shitty Producer/DJ I first posted is so much better!!" (link to another half-ass wannabe song)

"Dude no fucking way, brah...here is another shitty wannabe Producer/DJ that is so much better!!" (link to even yet another half-ass, boring, by-the-numbers song)


ETC ETC ETC

Here is how real Producers/DJs used to make EDM back in the day with actual electronic Analog gear, not this Laptop Computer Program bullshit these days. If you dont know who BT and Sasha are then please leave this thread right now...

2 Phat Cunts (BT & Sasha) - Let It Ride



Ok well just a few more P.S. here you go with some more realness...





Last but not least, I will quote a comment from this song by someone on YT which totally sums up how I feel about this amazing track..."OMG I am overwhelmed of memories from this song. I am so sad. I want to go back. At least one night back in time to feel again those careless hot summer night parties. OMG FUCKKK."



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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #19215030 - 12/01/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Although, with all that being said...I will give this Deadmau5 dude some props since he got to bang that totally fucking hot woman Kat Von D!! I just hope he hit that poonie right! I wish I was banging a woman on that level.

Jesus Christ...Deadmau5 fucking Kat Von D...Skrillex fucking Ellie Goulding...I need to get famous ASAP!!

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #19215518 - 12/02/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Holy fuckin' hell, this thread is hilarious.

"Do you think this shitty Producer/DJ is the greatest?"

"NNNOOO, this shitty Producer/DJ I listen to is way better!!" (link to worthless song)

"No way man, the shitty Producer/DJ I first posted is so much better!!" (link to another half-ass wannabe song)

"Dude no fucking way, brah...here is another shitty wannabe Producer/DJ that is so much better!!" (link to even yet another half-ass, boring, by-the-numbers song)




And the trend continues with your contribution. Only the shit you posted probably has the most limited musical content of anything posted in this thread so far. Seriously just a bunch of generic dance floor tracks.

EDM is garbage. No producer who operates in this realm could ever lay claim to Greatest Producer status. I've even heard much more musical content from some of BT's material but the stuff you posted was just raver trash. But I'm sure he dates supermodels so he must be a great producer, right?:hypno:


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19215924 - 12/02/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Beanhead said:
Over here they have several sequencers, synthesizers & DAWS hooked up to eachother and they produce the sounds live.

Liveset... Press play? What is this blasphemy?

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Look up his history :awesomenod:




Right, people certainly do that. And that is a possibility, but Deadmau5 couldn't feasibly perform his songs in real time. It would be too difficult. And even if you decided to trigger everything on stage and make the arrangement with sequencers and synths, you can't just whip up that kind of music. It's very delicately arranged and everything single sample or sound is deliberately placed in the mix. You couldn't compose Strobe, a ten minute song, live.




So they're able to bring a 2hour experience and his music is so complex he can't sequence ten minutes?

He is perhaps the new Mozart. O wait...

Don't put him up a pedestal, just enjoy his music:mushroom2:

Good vibes, partyhardy :rave:


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Beanhead]
    #19217356 - 12/02/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Beanhead said:
Quote:

un-known-ome said:
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Beanhead said:
Over here they have several sequencers, synthesizers & DAWS hooked up to eachother and they produce the sounds live.

Liveset... Press play? What is this blasphemy?

Dr.Walker
Look up his history :awesomenod:




Right, people certainly do that. And that is a possibility, but Deadmau5 couldn't feasibly perform his songs in real time. It would be too difficult. And even if you decided to trigger everything on stage and make the arrangement with sequencers and synths, you can't just whip up that kind of music. It's very delicately arranged and everything single sample or sound is deliberately placed in the mix. You couldn't compose Strobe, a ten minute song, live.




So they're able to bring a 2hour experience and his music is so complex he can't sequence ten minutes?

He is perhaps the new Mozart. O wait...

Don't put him up a pedestal, just enjoy his music:mushroom2:

Good vibes, partyhardy :rave:




No, dude, he really couldn't, and there would be no point. It would be damned difficult. Also hardware sequencers all have play buttons too, so he just presses one and makes his life a helluva lot easier. And with his music, it's all packed into DAW. In order to record it, he never had to sequence or perform it in real time, in one take, or even in multiple takes. Things are recorded, and sometimes they're not, and they are placed on a grid, and then a bunch of automations are programmed in. Then that file is bounced and voila, you have the final mix as an mp3 or .wav or whatever. So that's how it's done. When you have like 20 or more audio tracks in a single song, how would you do that live? Your criticism has no merit.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19217549 - 12/02/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As a huge MAU5-junkie, I have to say no.
Although he is a mssive influenece in the modern house genre, there are much better electronic. Artists than him.
He revolutionized house music, so maybe he can be debatively crowned king of house?

And
Its much more complicated than pressing play, man.
A lot of electronic producers go up on stage with their song on a record, but they can manipulate and add to/sjbtract from the song as they please.
Hell, look at Daft Punk's "alive" mixes, the songs are MUCH different because he mixes them live rather than "just press play"

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Krat0s]
    #19219418 - 12/02/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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As a huge MAU5-junkie, I have to say no.
Although he is a mssive influenece in the modern house genre, there are much better electronic. Artists than him.
He revolutionized house music, so maybe he can be debatively crowned king of house?

And
Its much more complicated than pressing play, man.
A lot of electronic producers go up on stage with their song on a record, but they can manipulate and add to/sjbtract from the song as they please.
Hell, look at Daft Punk's "alive" mixes, the songs are MUCH different because he mixes them live rather than "just press play"

P.s
Skrillfag is the exception to the "just press play" thing.




Yeah, I know it is. I've tried to dip my toes into electronic music production and there is a lot more that goes into it than the lay person might think. I would agree that he has revolutionized house music. And again I want to distinguish between an artist and a producer. Artistically, it would be rather difficult to make the assertion that Deadmau5 is in the uppermost tier, but as a producer, he's pretty killer. I think the one thing that some people miss is that his songs are not just rehashed, slutty EDM. They're not. It's not the same old radio crap. It's not pop music. Does that crowd listen to it? Absolutely. But as someone who appreciates good music, that's what he makes. A song like Complications is just an excellent piece of music. It's just a great track. And no one's making music quite like that, so to say it's generic is misguided. I mean, his songs have depth that an untrained pair of ears wouldn't pick up, apparently.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19231056 - 12/05/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time?




HAHA,
to be fair ive listen to a fair share of deamau5 and have enjoyed his stuff on many occasions
however, i find his stuff has become more and more generic and ive stopped listening to it

i know its all an opinion, but personally i dont think deamau5 is anywhere near approaching the title of 'Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time'. lol


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: spazmodog]
    #19233151 - 12/05/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time?




HAHA,
to be fair ive listen to a fair share of deamau5 and have enjoyed his stuff on many occasions
however, i find his stuff has become more and more generic and ive stopped listening to it

i know its all an opinion, but personally i dont think deamau5 is anywhere near approaching the title of 'Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time'. lol




Fair enough. I think he is somewhere near there in his own right. The impression I get is that he's too popular and he doesn't make rehashed Aphex Twin type beats, so he 's automatically shit in some people's books. I mean, but really, am I wrong?


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19233234 - 12/05/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Who makes rehashed Aphex Twin type beats?


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
    #19235092 - 12/06/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I may be the only person here to agree with you OP. Deadmau5 knocks my friggen socks off like no other and that's straight up.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19235178 - 12/06/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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un-known-ome said:
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Beanhead said:
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un-known-ome said:
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Beanhead said:
Over here they have several sequencers, synthesizers & DAWS hooked up to eachother and they produce the sounds live.

Liveset... Press play? What is this blasphemy?

Dr.Walker
Look up his history :awesomenod:




Right, people certainly do that. And that is a possibility, but Deadmau5 couldn't feasibly perform his songs in real time. It would be too difficult. And even if you decided to trigger everything on stage and make the arrangement with sequencers and synths, you can't just whip up that kind of music. It's very delicately arranged and everything single sample or sound is deliberately placed in the mix. You couldn't compose Strobe, a ten minute song, live.




So they're able to bring a 2hour experience and his music is so complex he can't sequence ten minutes?

He is perhaps the new Mozart. O wait...

Don't put him up a pedestal, just enjoy his music:mushroom2:

Good vibes, partyhardy :rave:




No, dude, he really couldn't, and there would be no point. It would be damned difficult. Also hardware sequencers all have play buttons too, so he just presses one and makes his life a helluva lot easier. And with his music, it's all packed into DAW. In order to record it, he never had to sequence or perform it in real time, in one take, or even in multiple takes. Things are recorded, and sometimes they're not, and they are placed on a grid, and then a bunch of automations are programmed in. Then that file is bounced and voila, you have the final mix as an mp3 or .wav or whatever. So that's how it's done. When you have like 20 or more audio tracks in a single song, how would you do that live? Your criticism has no merit.




Yeah, thank you, I know how a DAW works and it's nothing new nor is he doing something that can't be performed live.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Beanhead]
    #19236651 - 12/06/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Over here they have several sequencers, synthesizers & DAWS hooked up to eachother and they produce the sounds live.

Liveset... Press play? What is this blasphemy?

[url=http://www.discogs.com/artist/Ingmar Koch]Dr.Walker[/url]
Look up his history :awesomenod:




Right, people certainly do that. And that is a possibility, but Deadmau5 couldn't feasibly perform his songs in real time. It would be too difficult. And even if you decided to trigger everything on stage and make the arrangement with sequencers and synths, you can't just whip up that kind of music. It's very delicately arranged and everything single sample or sound is deliberately placed in the mix. You couldn't compose Strobe, a ten minute song, live.




So they're able to bring a 2hour experience and his music is so complex he can't sequence ten minutes?

He is perhaps the new Mozart. O wait...

Don't put him up a pedestal, just enjoy his music:mushroom2:

Good vibes, partyhardy :rave:




No, dude, he really couldn't, and there would be no point. It would be damned difficult. Also hardware sequencers all have play buttons too, so he just presses one and makes his life a helluva lot easier. And with his music, it's all packed into DAW. In order to record it, he never had to sequence or perform it in real time, in one take, or even in multiple takes. Things are recorded, and sometimes they're not, and they are placed on a grid, and then a bunch of automations are programmed in. Then that file is bounced and voila, you have the final mix as an mp3 or .wav or whatever. So that's how it's done. When you have like 20 or more audio tracks in a single song, how would you do that live? Your criticism has no merit.




Yeah, thank you, I know how a DAW works and it's nothing new nor is he doing something that can't be performed live.




Do you really know how it works? I don't mean to be confrontational, but most of his music at one point was all "made" on the computer. He doesn't/didn't have drum machines or outboard gear to use when he made those songs, so why would he have such things on stage? Let's look at Random Album Title, which is just about my favorite album of all time. His studio at that time included a Moog Voyager, Slim Phatty, Clavia Nord, and DSI Prophet and that's it. That makes no sense. You're not being reasonable, and I'm calling you on it. And he just DJ's, so he's not sequencing in real time. Could he, if he wanted to? Absolutely, but he's not. So find other grounds to criticize him on.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: redfox7450]
    #19236672 - 12/06/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I may be the only person here to agree with you OP. Deadmau5 knocks my friggen socks off like no other and that's straight up.




I know I'm not alone. He just does. It's the impact that his songs have on the listener, that I have not known another producer to be able to do. He deserves not only to be recognized for his success, but for the quality of what he's putting out there. His music may be the anthem of drunk twenty-somethings across the country, but that shouldn't detract from the fact that he's actually making great music that will stand the test of time.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19236683 - 12/06/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: hgmstl]
    #19236914 - 12/06/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not even remotely fucking close.

that said I do enjoy a handfull of his songs.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Shins]
    #19237391 - 12/06/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Not even remotely fucking close.

that said I do enjoy a handfull of his songs.




This. I like his story too, he lived and continues to live the bedroom "EDM" producer's dream.  :cheese:

Is he like one of the all-time mad geniuses of electronic music? Maybe not.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Shins]
    #19242019 - 12/07/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Not even remotely fucking close.

that said I do enjoy a handfull of his songs.




I think he is remotely, if not very, close. I'm just giving him the props he deserves for making amazing music. If you haven't been sold on him yet, I think he's going to do big things in the future, and prove a lot of people wrong. He's one of the most talented fucks out there, and it absolutely baffles me that someone wouldn't realize that. But then again, a lot of people are clueless about a lot of things, so this shouldn't be surprising to me.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19242223 - 12/07/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone has different opinions OP. That's why there are debates like these. I have never met one person with the same musical interest as myself, and don't think I ever will. Also, I tell myself when people are listening to something and "don't like it", they're not really listening to it but only hearing it. Hope that makes sense, lol. Anyway :cheers: to you.


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    #19242231 - 12/07/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I saw deadmau5 live at Hard...it was so awful. He is all about image and not about true skill, especially live.


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    #19242237 - 12/07/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Also OP I was gonna ask you if you heard his latest song on soundcloud called 777. Shit's a musical masterpiece! He is really something else, that's for sure. :cool::thumbup:


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: redfox7450]
    #19242260 - 12/07/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shit's a musical masterpiece!




HA. There is maybe some  live modulated/looped instrumental edm that you could call musically talented. Deadmau5 is definitely not that, let alone a masterpiece. I come from a classical music background where some masterpieces have actually lasted the test of time. Deadmau5 hopefully wont last a decade.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19242278 - 12/07/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

His music style has changed but he's all about great sound quality and space in his music, it feels well put together but not my thing.

It's impossible to say who's the greatest producer of all time, especially since their is so much good electronic music coming out these days. It's like saying who's the greatest classical composer?
Some people who like romantic era might say Chopin or Tchaikovsky; people who like more modern stuff might say Stravinsky or Debussy.

Also someone who likes squarepusher scoffed at Daft Punk way back as not even being close to the greatest, which is just plain stupid because Daft Punk along with putting out some amazing albums (Homework has gotta be one of my favourite of the 90s) is very important music group who definitely had an effect on how music is made these days


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    #19242291 - 12/07/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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HA. There is maybe some  live modulated/looped instrumental edm that you could call musically talented. Deadmau5 is definitely not that, let alone a masterpiece. I come from a classical music background where some masterpieces have actually lasted the test of time. Deadmau5 hopefully wont last a decade.




If you compose music, I would love to hear it. If you don't, I would like to see you try. Making music is not easy dude and IMHO deadmau5 does an amazing job at what he does.


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    #19242302 - 12/07/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Also OP I was gonna ask you if you heard his latest song on soundcloud called 777. Shit's a musical masterpiece! He is really something else, that's for sure. :cool::thumbup:




I did listen to it. I haven't completely made up my mind about it, but I definitely like it. I think that it's on the verge of being something even more spectacular than what it is. And I don't specifically mean that song, but just that particular style. But the build up, around the ten minute mark, is an eargasm.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: ChinChiller]
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Shit's a musical masterpiece!




HA. There is maybe some  live modulated/looped instrumental edm that you could call musically talented. Deadmau5 is definitely not that, let alone a masterpiece. I come from a classical music background where some masterpieces have actually lasted the test of time. Deadmau5 hopefully wont last a decade.




So does Deadmau5, allegedly. I think he will well surpass a decade of relevance. You know, it's funny that you should bring that up, because I don't give two shits about classical musical training. Guess what? I played the violin for about 13 years, and I was pretty damn good. But you may not understand this, but it's possible that some guy drinking diet Pepsi on a caffeine trip who's pushing buttons and staring at a screen has way more musical talent than I do (and he does) and you too. For all my musical training, I don't have shit on him. And I listened to classical music, and somehow I made the painless transition into listening to the Mau5. I swear, on my life, that if you're dig at EDM is that it lacks musicality or composition, then Deadmau5 would be the exception to that. Jesus Christ that's like the whole point of this. Seriously, have you or have you not actually listened to his music? Or do the terms BPM and kick drum just trigger your gag reflex?


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    #19246279 - 12/08/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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do the terms BPM and kick drum just trigger your gag reflex?



The problem is when, structurally, the music is basically a wrapper for BPM and kick drum. You can develop a few neat sounding arpeggiated synths and background pads on a track but when the entire rhythmic structure of a track is a house beat there is almost nothing there musically. It is the lowest form of rhythmic expression. It's old, tired, worn out. It has no where to go. There is no harmonic content or modulation. It could and should be so much more.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
    #19246410 - 12/08/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are such better EDM artists than Deadmau5, especially live. It was so bad.


You need to change it up musically/make it a different experience when performing live, thats why people pay to see artists perform. It is much harder to do this with EDM because you make your set at home (which in theory makes it not live)

Deadmau5 is one of those artists who doesnt contribute much to his live sets thus making him less of an artist and more of an at home producer, which is cool and all, but

A whole lot of EDM is bullshit and Deadmau5 is a contributor to this, along with a lot of other mainstream EDM producers.

You have been trained classically you should be able to see the simplicity of some EDM in comparison to other musical compostions/genres especially melodically with the technology available today it is easy as fuck to match up harmonics, it takes way less skill/intonation than playing an instrument live. To even compare a computer to an instrument is absurd. Not only melodically, but the fact it is pre-recorded percussion/bass devalues it as an art form. If deadmau5 was recording his own drum and bass from a kit I would give him a little more credit, but he isnt.

TL;DR---Most EDM is fun to dance to or whatever (especially on MDxx) however, as an artform it does not compare to the skill involved with other genres besides the fact someone composed it (which is much easier with technology like computers which match pitches and harmonies for you).


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19246461 - 12/08/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but you clearly don't produce EDM. :lol:
Much more goes into it than that.
Sure it's easier to visually see where the harmonics and melody are, etc. But you're missing the whole aspect of synth design.
Producers aren't using presets on their VSTs. They're taking a synthesizer, and programming a wave form to create the exact sound they want.
This takes years and years of practice to get right, and is a lot harder than simply tuning a guitar, or plugging it into a certain amp and programming that.
On top of that, not only are they creating and designing the bass, the melody, the chords, the drums, etc. They are mixing and mastering the track as a whole. Literally not only composing, and inventing the specific sounds they want, but also acting as an audio engineer.
The cool thing about electronic music is that you're taking something that is usually created by a band of 3 + people, and shrinking it down into one person.
This takes an immense amount of talent, as you must have knowledge on all the different sounds you are trying to create.

Being able to play an instrument is far easier than being able to compose a full track, usually with 30+ channels, designing each sound on a synth (excluding drum samples, usually. Though there are a lot of programs were you can create your own drum sounds from synths)and mixing it and mastering it to give it that professional polish.

I've been an electronic music producer for many years now, and am nowhere near Deadmau5's level. And it's not becuase I suck, it's because he's been doing it longer, and knows exactly what to do with his skills.
With that said, I still stand by my point that he's not the best around.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: ChinChiller]
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There are such better EDM artists than Deadmau5, especially live. It was so bad.


You need to change it up musically/make it a different experience when performing live, thats why people pay to see artists perform. It is much harder to do this with EDM because you make your set at home (which in theory makes it not live)

Deadmau5 is one of those artists who doesnt contribute much to his live sets thus making him less of an artist and more of an at home producer, which is cool and all, but

A whole lot of EDM is bullshit and Deadmau5 is a contributor to this, along with a lot of other mainstream EDM producers.

You have been trained classically you should be able to see the simplicity of some EDM in comparison to other musical compostions/genres especially melodically with the technology available today it is easy as fuck to match up harmonics, it takes way less skill/intonation than playing an instrument live. To even compare a computer to an instrument is absurd. Not only melodically, but the fact it is pre-recorded percussion/bass devalues it as an art form. If deadmau5 was recording his own drum and bass from a kit I would give him a little more credit, but he isnt.

TL;DR---Most EDM is fun to dance to or whatever (especially on MDxx) however, as an artform it does not compare to the skill involved with other genres besides the fact someone composed it (which is much easier with technology like computers which match pitches and harmonies for you).




The problem here is the premise that playing an instrument is the highest form of musical expression, which it is not, frankly. I am probably a better instrumentalist than Deadmau5, but what is that worth? Nothing, that's what. You want it to be something that it's not, man. It's not worse--it's different. Imagine music where you remove the human element. There is no error. It is perfect and precise. Once you remove the shackles of intonation and timing, you can do anything. You're hung up on this skill aspect of it, when that has nothing to do with the quality of the final product.

I once had the pleasure of watching Joshua Bell, the virtuoso violinist, and even though my brain wasn't melting from MDMA, it was quite a nice show. Very entertaining, captivating even, to watch the artistry of what he was doing. No doubt, that's an extremely talented man who has more skill than I could ever fathom. Deadmau5, or Joel Zimmerman, probably couldn't play a scale on a violin, but you know what? His music hits harder, it sounds bigger, it's groovier, it incorporates more "instruments," and it's perfect. Everything about it is perfect. The timing and tuning are all perfect. And it's incredibly pleasing to the ear. So it's a matter of having the tools to go farther musically than we ever have in the past, and that's what an electronic musician does. I love instrumentation, I really do, and I respect it, but it's not the hallmark of great music. If you define music in certain terms, which many people are guilty of, then you'll never be able to appreciate electronic music as an art form. You just won't. You have to remove that programming, and then maybe you'll have a eureka moment.

I don't know if you were just commenting on EDM, specifically, but you were making what seemed like generalizations about electronic music as a whole.


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I was just commenting on Deadmau5 as a live performer. I definitely have an appreciation for other forms of electronic music.


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So it's a matter of having the tools to go farther musically than we ever have in the past, and that's what an electronic musician does.




That's what an electronic musician should do. A massive problem here is that it seems that go further, to you and a lot of people, means having the sound hit harder and sound bigger. So basically in a sense you think taking music further means fuck loads of compression which ironically is the scourge of sound production quality across all modern music at the moment and is definitely holding the collective mind back since people are now so concerned with everything being big and loud.

Further, as far as an electronic musician going farther musically than before, what does production value really have to do with music? Yes, electronic producers should be able to do wild new things with music but instead these EDM heads are largely just making more fancy house music and polishing it better than ever before. That's not advancing music.


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So it's a matter of having the tools to go farther musically than we ever have in the past, and that's what an electronic musician does.




That's what an electronic musician should do. A massive problem here is that it seems that go further, to you and a lot of people, means having the sound hit harder and sound bigger. So basically in a sense you think taking music further means fuck loads of compression which ironically is the scourge of sound production quality across all modern music at the moment and is definitely holding the collective mind back since people are now so concerned with everything being big and loud.

Further, as far as an electronic musician going farther musically than before, what does production value really have to do with music? Yes, electronic producers should be able to do wild new things with music but instead these EDM heads are largely just making more fancy house music and polishing it better than ever before. That's not advancing music.




I think this would be an appropriate time to mention that I DO NOT listen to the broader genre of EDM. Of that genre, I only listen to Deadmau5, and I don't really have any consideration for other producers. So there must be a reason for that. It never occurs to me that his music is the same old EDM garbage--I swear that there's something different about it. For instance, Avicii makes me want to punch a baby in the face. I think we both would agree that EDM is generally shit, and that's very difficult to argue the other way. And I wouldn't. But I don't lump Deadmau5 is with that genre, actually. I just don't.

This is a track Deadmau5' real like EDM album, from 2010, 4x4=12. It's like it's its own genre. I mean, do you really just call this EDM trash?


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So it's a matter of having the tools to go farther musically than we ever have in the past, and that's what an electronic musician does.




That's what an electronic musician should do. A massive problem here is that it seems that go further, to you and a lot of people, means having the sound hit harder and sound bigger. So basically in a sense you think taking music further means fuck loads of compression which ironically is the scourge of sound production quality across all modern music at the moment and is definitely holding the collective mind back since people are now so concerned with everything being big and loud.

Further, as far as an electronic musician going farther musically than before, what does production value really have to do with music? Yes, electronic producers should be able to do wild new things with music but instead these EDM heads are largely just making more fancy house music and polishing it better than ever before. That's not advancing music.




I think this would be an appropriate time to mention that I DO NOT listen to the broader genre of EDM. Of that genre, I only listen to Deadmau5, and I don't really have any consideration for other producers. So there must be a reason for that. It never occurs to me that his music is the same old EDM garbage--I swear that there's something different about it. For instance, Avicii makes me want to punch a baby in the face. I think we both would agree that EDM is generally shit, and that's very difficult to argue the other way. And I wouldn't. But I don't lump Deadmau5 is with that genre, actually. I just don't.

This is a track Deadmau5' real like EDM album, from 2010, 4x4=12. It's like it's its own genre. I mean, do you really just call this EDM trash?




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So it's a matter of having the tools to go farther musically than we ever have in the past, and that's what an electronic musician does.




That's what an electronic musician should do. A massive problem here is that it seems that go further, to you and a lot of people, means having the sound hit harder and sound bigger. So basically in a sense you think taking music further means fuck loads of compression which ironically is the scourge of sound production quality across all modern music at the moment and is definitely holding the collective mind back since people are now so concerned with everything being big and loud.

Further, as far as an electronic musician going farther musically than before, what does production value really have to do with music? Yes, electronic producers should be able to do wild new things with music but instead these EDM heads are largely just making more fancy house music and polishing it better than ever before. That's not advancing music.




I think this would be an appropriate time to mention that I DO NOT listen to the broader genre of EDM. Of that genre, I only listen to Deadmau5, and I don't really have any consideration for other producers. So there must be a reason for that. It never occurs to me that his music is the same old EDM garbage--I swear that there's something different about it. For instance, Avicii makes me want to punch a baby in the face. I think we both would agree that EDM is generally shit, and that's very difficult to argue the other way. And I wouldn't. But I don't lump Deadmau5 is with that genre, actually. I just don't.

This is a track Deadmau5' real like EDM album, from 2010, 4x4=12. It's like it's its own genre. I mean, do you really just call this EDM trash?





It's like you are trying to argue that John Fogerty doesn't sound like CCR. Deadmaus can still be neatly placed in EDM genre, he doesn't sound drastically different from the other genre offerings. Unless the detail you are trying to argue is something like 'The 76 philharmonic recording of the 1st chair violin in Beethovens fifth is not as good as the first chair violin in the 82 recording of the NYC philharmonic'.

Personally, I could picture dancing to it if I was fucked up at a club, but as far as pure listening pleasure I consider the music a bit too slow, rythmically boring in general. That said I don't think he sucks but you seem to put him on a pedestal so high you've actually lost site of the bigger picture. We're not saying you shouldn't think he sucks, but maybe he isn't THE biggest fish in the pond, musically speaking.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19249096 - 12/09/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think this would be an appropriate time to mention that I DO NOT listen to the broader genre of EDM. Of that genre, I only listen to Deadmau5, and I don't really have any consideration for other producers. So there must be a reason for that. It never occurs to me that his music is the same old EDM garbage




maybe this is the probelm? dude, on the internet,  you have acess to almost all the music that was every made. get out there and re-define your idea of what 'EDM' is...
its not even really a genre ffs,


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I think this would be an appropriate time to mention that I DO NOT listen to the broader genre of EDM. Of that genre, I only listen to Deadmau5, and I don't really have any consideration for other producers. So there must be a reason for that. It never occurs to me that his music is the same old EDM garbage




maybe this is the probelm? dude, on the internet,  you have acess to almost all the music that was every made. get out there and re-define your idea of what 'EDM' is...
its not even really a genre ffs,




What's the problem? No, no problem. I have listened to plenty of EDM and given it a chance, and that's that attitude I've come away with. Again, I listen to other music, just not specifically other modern "EDM" producers. It's very vague, I know, and I suppose that I'm really talking about the other producers that Deadmau5 generally gets grouped together with.


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    #19251202 - 12/09/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yo shroomy fans of EDMs whats your opinion on minimal stuff?



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    #19251478 - 12/09/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nope. I really like Deadmau5, but I wouldn't put him on a pedestal like that. Brian Eno? Maybe.


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    #19251902 - 12/09/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

for someone to be the "greatest" he has to be ALL-AROUND great.
he's not, his music is repetitive, hes a douche, and he's one of the
biggest djs right now, why?! mainstream, sell out, and doing the same
thing over and over.



to me, he's a joke and anyone that listens to him doesnt know real
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    #19254844 - 12/10/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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urbannerd said:
for someone to be the "greatest" he has to be ALL-AROUND great.
he's not, his music is repetitive, hes a douche, and he's one of the
biggest djs right now, why?! mainstream, sell out, and doing the same
thing over and over.



to me, he's a joke and anyone that listens to him doesnt know real
edm music cause there are tons of djs/producers that shit on him.




Isn't what you're describing jealously? That other producers are envious of him? That generally happens when you become very good/successful at doing something.


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un-known-ome said:
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urbannerd said:
for someone to be the "greatest" he has to be ALL-AROUND great.
he's not, his music is repetitive, hes a douche, and he's one of the
biggest djs right now, why?! mainstream, sell out, and doing the same
thing over and over.



to me, he's a joke and anyone that listens to him doesnt know real
edm music cause there are tons of djs/producers that shit on him.




Isn't what you're describing jealously? That other producers are envious of him? That generally happens when you become very good/successful at doing something.




Jealousy? lol not at all, ive met the guy on a somewhat personal level.


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urbannerd said:
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un-known-ome said:
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urbannerd said:
for someone to be the "greatest" he has to be ALL-AROUND great.
he's not, his music is repetitive, hes a douche, and he's one of the
biggest djs right now, why?! mainstream, sell out, and doing the same
thing over and over.



to me, he's a joke and anyone that listens to him doesnt know real
edm music cause there are tons of djs/producers that shit on him.




Isn't what you're describing jealously? That other producers are envious of him? That generally happens when you become very good/successful at doing something.




Jealousy? lol not at all, ive met the guy on a somewhat personal level.




Well I really don't care to mind his character. That's separate from the musical aspect. Again, I think he's great at what he does, and probably the best right now, and I think he deserves a bit more credit for his music. That's what I was trying to get at. Again, it's very easy to be dismissive of what he's putting out there, but it's top shelf for the most part, although not all of it is.


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un-known-ome said:
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urbannerd said:
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un-known-ome said:
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urbannerd said:
for someone to be the "greatest" he has to be ALL-AROUND great.
he's not, his music is repetitive, hes a douche, and he's one of the
biggest djs right now, why?! mainstream, sell out, and doing the same
thing over and over.



to me, he's a joke and anyone that listens to him doesnt know real
edm music cause there are tons of djs/producers that shit on him.




Isn't what you're describing jealously? That other producers are envious of him? That generally happens when you become very good/successful at doing something.




Jealousy? lol not at all, ive met the guy on a somewhat personal level.




Well I really don't care to mind his character. That's separate from the musical aspect. Again, I think he's great at what he does, and probably the best right now, and I think he deserves a bit more credit for his music. That's what I was trying to get at. Again, it's very easy to be dismissive of what he's putting out there, but it's top shelf for the most part, although not all of it is.




what, his character is what adds to the whole equation.

therfore not making him the greatest.

dont mind the people they used for this image, just the idea.



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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: urbannerd]
    #19260254 - 12/11/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what, his character is what adds to the whole equation.

therfore not making him the greatest.

dont mind the people they used for this image, just the idea.






I disagree with your point. Roger Federer is technically the best tennis player of all time, and he thinks he is. It is completely plausible that you could have no humility and still be great at something.


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    #19260271 - 12/11/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The electronic artists I really like are way more talented than the ones you like.  Nice try.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: dodgem]
    #19260419 - 12/11/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The electronic artists I really like are way more talented than the ones you like.  Nice try.




Absolutely baffling that people hold these opinions about his music. Absolutely baffling. They're totally off the mark. The guy makes great electronic music, some of the best out there, and well he's obviously doing something right, isn't he? Can't argue with results. In the simplicity lies the beauty.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19260506 - 12/11/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

wait, i figured this thread out.... youre trolling right? lol

deadmau5 is the artist kids here on the radio, and instantly think
they're now into edm and now their shit.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19260585 - 12/11/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The electronic artists I really like are way more talented than the ones you like.  Nice try.




Absolutely baffling that people hold these opinions about his music. Absolutely baffling. They're totally off the mark. The guy makes great electronic music, some of the best out there, and well he's obviously doing something right, isn't he? Can't argue with results. In the simplicity lies the beauty.





Who says I am not a deadmau5 fan? 

I'm just saying threads like this end up like how I posted, at least according to the first page.  I wasn't aware there were 5 pages when I posted.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: dodgem]
    #19338922 - 12/28/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm reviving this thread, to basically reassert my opinion. Deadmau5 is a fucking boss. Show of hands: who here has listened to a continuous mix of Random Album Title? It's bliss. No one makes music like that. They never have, and they never will. If the quality of it escapes you, then that's unfortunate. But I'm going to go ahead and say it: best album I've ever listened to.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19339837 - 12/29/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is there really such a thing? It's all subjective anyways. We all hear music a little differently so what has significance for one might not for another. Has he had the biggest influence? Does he put on the best performances? Those questions are tricky enough but perhaps more tangible. The word greatest may be too blunt to really mean anything.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: m00ncalf]
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Is there really such a thing? It's all subjective anyways. We all hear music a little differently so what has significance for one might not for another. Has he had the biggest influence? Does he put on the best performances? Those questions are tricky enough but perhaps more tangible. The word greatest may be too blunt to really mean anything.




There should be. I'm a big tennis buff, and you should see the sort of arguing that goes on over at the Talk Tennis forums. Holy shit it's just nonstop "who's the greatest tennis player of all time" and Federer fanatics just arguing nonsensically with Nadal fans. But that's a bit different, because we can say objectively that Federer has the most weeks at world number one and the most major titles. With music it's much more difficult. I think the problem I have is that if I propose that Deadmau5 might be among the best/greatest it gets scoffed at. Should be able to throw his hat in the ring. It's like, if you combined trance, prog house, electro, and minimal tech, you have Deadmau5. And it's bloody brilliant. It just works. It's brazenly formulaic at times, and guess what? It's fantastic.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19432327 - 01/17/14 09:18 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Fuck no Shpongle, Tycho, Boars of Canada, Biosphere, Brian Eno and Harold Budden are just examples I know their multiple people but christ people overrate Deadmau5 He's good and all but far from the greatest.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Sakadagami] * 1
    #19513469 - 02/02/14 10:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

This may be an old thread, but I just have to say that I do not think he is the greatest or even close.
I've tried to get into it. I really have. Anything that popular should have some merit, right? I can see why some people like his music I guess? but I don't see how anyone can love it. If he hadn't branded himself so well with that hat, He wouldn't be nearly as popular as he is. His music isn't the greatest. not even close. He seems like kind of a shitty dude too... but that's neither here nor there.
I can easily think of 20+ producers off the top of my head that I consider better musicians.
Anyway, I like my electronic music to be trippy. (and by trippy I don't mean psy trance, which doesn't seem very psychedelic to me either lol)Deadmau5 just doesn't stimulate my mind like I think good electronic music should do =/


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