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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
#19233234 - 12/05/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who makes rehashed Aphex Twin type beats?
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
#19235092 - 12/06/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I may be the only person here to agree with you OP. Deadmau5 knocks my friggen socks off like no other and that's straight up.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
#19235178 - 12/06/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Beanhead said: Over here they have several sequencers, synthesizers & DAWS hooked up to eachother and they produce the sounds live.
Liveset... Press play? What is this blasphemy?
Dr.Walker Look up his history 
Right, people certainly do that. And that is a possibility, but Deadmau5 couldn't feasibly perform his songs in real time. It would be too difficult. And even if you decided to trigger everything on stage and make the arrangement with sequencers and synths, you can't just whip up that kind of music. It's very delicately arranged and everything single sample or sound is deliberately placed in the mix. You couldn't compose Strobe, a ten minute song, live.
So they're able to bring a 2hour experience and his music is so complex he can't sequence ten minutes?
He is perhaps the new Mozart. O wait...
Don't put him up a pedestal, just enjoy his music
Good vibes, partyhardy 
No, dude, he really couldn't, and there would be no point. It would be damned difficult. Also hardware sequencers all have play buttons too, so he just presses one and makes his life a helluva lot easier. And with his music, it's all packed into DAW. In order to record it, he never had to sequence or perform it in real time, in one take, or even in multiple takes. Things are recorded, and sometimes they're not, and they are placed on a grid, and then a bunch of automations are programmed in. Then that file is bounced and voila, you have the final mix as an mp3 or .wav or whatever. So that's how it's done. When you have like 20 or more audio tracks in a single song, how would you do that live? Your criticism has no merit.
Yeah, thank you, I know how a DAW works and it's nothing new nor is he doing something that can't be performed live.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Beanhead]
#19236651 - 12/06/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Beanhead said: Over here they have several sequencers, synthesizers & DAWS hooked up to eachother and they produce the sounds live.
Liveset... Press play? What is this blasphemy?
[url=http://www.discogs.com/artist/Ingmar Koch]Dr.Walker[/url] Look up his history 
Right, people certainly do that. And that is a possibility, but Deadmau5 couldn't feasibly perform his songs in real time. It would be too difficult. And even if you decided to trigger everything on stage and make the arrangement with sequencers and synths, you can't just whip up that kind of music. It's very delicately arranged and everything single sample or sound is deliberately placed in the mix. You couldn't compose Strobe, a ten minute song, live.
So they're able to bring a 2hour experience and his music is so complex he can't sequence ten minutes?
He is perhaps the new Mozart. O wait...
Don't put him up a pedestal, just enjoy his music
Good vibes, partyhardy 
No, dude, he really couldn't, and there would be no point. It would be damned difficult. Also hardware sequencers all have play buttons too, so he just presses one and makes his life a helluva lot easier. And with his music, it's all packed into DAW. In order to record it, he never had to sequence or perform it in real time, in one take, or even in multiple takes. Things are recorded, and sometimes they're not, and they are placed on a grid, and then a bunch of automations are programmed in. Then that file is bounced and voila, you have the final mix as an mp3 or .wav or whatever. So that's how it's done. When you have like 20 or more audio tracks in a single song, how would you do that live? Your criticism has no merit.
Yeah, thank you, I know how a DAW works and it's nothing new nor is he doing something that can't be performed live.
Do you really know how it works? I don't mean to be confrontational, but most of his music at one point was all "made" on the computer. He doesn't/didn't have drum machines or outboard gear to use when he made those songs, so why would he have such things on stage? Let's look at Random Album Title, which is just about my favorite album of all time. His studio at that time included a Moog Voyager, Slim Phatty, Clavia Nord, and DSI Prophet and that's it. That makes no sense. You're not being reasonable, and I'm calling you on it. And he just DJ's, so he's not sequencing in real time. Could he, if he wanted to? Absolutely, but he's not. So find other grounds to criticize him on.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: redfox7450]
#19236672 - 12/06/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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redfox7450 said: I may be the only person here to agree with you OP. Deadmau5 knocks my friggen socks off like no other and that's straight up.
I know I'm not alone. He just does. It's the impact that his songs have on the listener, that I have not known another producer to be able to do. He deserves not only to be recognized for his success, but for the quality of what he's putting out there. His music may be the anthem of drunk twenty-somethings across the country, but that shouldn't detract from the fact that he's actually making great music that will stand the test of time.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
#19236683 - 12/06/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deadmau5 is a punk bitch
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: hgmstl]
#19236914 - 12/06/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not even remotely fucking close.
that said I do enjoy a handfull of his songs.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Shins]
#19237391 - 12/06/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Not even remotely fucking close.
that said I do enjoy a handfull of his songs.
This. I like his story too, he lived and continues to live the bedroom "EDM" producer's dream. 
Is he like one of the all-time mad geniuses of electronic music? Maybe not.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Shins]
#19242019 - 12/07/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shins said: Not even remotely fucking close.
that said I do enjoy a handfull of his songs.
I think he is remotely, if not very, close. I'm just giving him the props he deserves for making amazing music. If you haven't been sold on him yet, I think he's going to do big things in the future, and prove a lot of people wrong. He's one of the most talented fucks out there, and it absolutely baffles me that someone wouldn't realize that. But then again, a lot of people are clueless about a lot of things, so this shouldn't be surprising to me.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
#19242223 - 12/07/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everyone has different opinions OP. That's why there are debates like these. I have never met one person with the same musical interest as myself, and don't think I ever will. Also, I tell myself when people are listening to something and "don't like it", they're not really listening to it but only hearing it. Hope that makes sense, lol. Anyway to you.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: redfox7450]
#19242231 - 12/07/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I saw deadmau5 live at Hard...it was so awful. He is all about image and not about true skill, especially live.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: redfox7450]
#19242237 - 12/07/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also OP I was gonna ask you if you heard his latest song on soundcloud called 777. Shit's a musical masterpiece! He is really something else, that's for sure. 
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: redfox7450]
#19242260 - 12/07/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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redfox7450 said: Shit's a musical masterpiece!
HA. There is maybe some live modulated/looped instrumental edm that you could call musically talented. Deadmau5 is definitely not that, let alone a masterpiece. I come from a classical music background where some masterpieces have actually lasted the test of time. Deadmau5 hopefully wont last a decade.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: ChinChiller]
#19242278 - 12/07/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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His music style has changed but he's all about great sound quality and space in his music, it feels well put together but not my thing.
It's impossible to say who's the greatest producer of all time, especially since their is so much good electronic music coming out these days. It's like saying who's the greatest classical composer? Some people who like romantic era might say Chopin or Tchaikovsky; people who like more modern stuff might say Stravinsky or Debussy.
Also someone who likes squarepusher scoffed at Daft Punk way back as not even being close to the greatest, which is just plain stupid because Daft Punk along with putting out some amazing albums (Homework has gotta be one of my favourite of the 90s) is very important music group who definitely had an effect on how music is made these days
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: ChinChiller]
#19242291 - 12/07/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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HA. There is maybe some live modulated/looped instrumental edm that you could call musically talented. Deadmau5 is definitely not that, let alone a masterpiece. I come from a classical music background where some masterpieces have actually lasted the test of time. Deadmau5 hopefully wont last a decade.
If you compose music, I would love to hear it. If you don't, I would like to see you try. Making music is not easy dude and IMHO deadmau5 does an amazing job at what he does.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: redfox7450]
#19242302 - 12/07/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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redfox7450 said: Also OP I was gonna ask you if you heard his latest song on soundcloud called 777. Shit's a musical masterpiece! He is really something else, that's for sure.  
I did listen to it. I haven't completely made up my mind about it, but I definitely like it. I think that it's on the verge of being something even more spectacular than what it is. And I don't specifically mean that song, but just that particular style. But the build up, around the ten minute mark, is an eargasm.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: ChinChiller]
#19242334 - 12/07/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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redfox7450 said: Shit's a musical masterpiece!
HA. There is maybe some live modulated/looped instrumental edm that you could call musically talented. Deadmau5 is definitely not that, let alone a masterpiece. I come from a classical music background where some masterpieces have actually lasted the test of time. Deadmau5 hopefully wont last a decade.
So does Deadmau5, allegedly. I think he will well surpass a decade of relevance. You know, it's funny that you should bring that up, because I don't give two shits about classical musical training. Guess what? I played the violin for about 13 years, and I was pretty damn good. But you may not understand this, but it's possible that some guy drinking diet Pepsi on a caffeine trip who's pushing buttons and staring at a screen has way more musical talent than I do (and he does) and you too. For all my musical training, I don't have shit on him. And I listened to classical music, and somehow I made the painless transition into listening to the Mau5. I swear, on my life, that if you're dig at EDM is that it lacks musicality or composition, then Deadmau5 would be the exception to that. Jesus Christ that's like the whole point of this. Seriously, have you or have you not actually listened to his music? Or do the terms BPM and kick drum just trigger your gag reflex?
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
#19242403 - 12/07/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
#19246279 - 12/08/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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do the terms BPM and kick drum just trigger your gag reflex?
The problem is when, structurally, the music is basically a wrapper for BPM and kick drum. You can develop a few neat sounding arpeggiated synths and background pads on a track but when the entire rhythmic structure of a track is a house beat there is almost nothing there musically. It is the lowest form of rhythmic expression. It's old, tired, worn out. It has no where to go. There is no harmonic content or modulation. It could and should be so much more.
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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
#19246410 - 12/08/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are such better EDM artists than Deadmau5, especially live. It was so bad.
You need to change it up musically/make it a different experience when performing live, thats why people pay to see artists perform. It is much harder to do this with EDM because you make your set at home (which in theory makes it not live)
Deadmau5 is one of those artists who doesnt contribute much to his live sets thus making him less of an artist and more of an at home producer, which is cool and all, but
A whole lot of EDM is bullshit and Deadmau5 is a contributor to this, along with a lot of other mainstream EDM producers.
You have been trained classically you should be able to see the simplicity of some EDM in comparison to other musical compostions/genres especially melodically with the technology available today it is easy as fuck to match up harmonics, it takes way less skill/intonation than playing an instrument live. To even compare a computer to an instrument is absurd. Not only melodically, but the fact it is pre-recorded percussion/bass devalues it as an art form. If deadmau5 was recording his own drum and bass from a kit I would give him a little more credit, but he isnt.
TL;DR---Most EDM is fun to dance to or whatever (especially on MDxx) however, as an artform it does not compare to the skill involved with other genres besides the fact someone composed it (which is much easier with technology like computers which match pitches and harmonies for you).
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