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Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time?
    #19184640 - 11/24/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is a serious question. Is he the greatest? I'm pretty convinced that he is, at this point. For my own listening purposes, he has redefined the way in which I interpret music. I feel like he has set a new standard for excellence, and I have had immense difficulty finding music that's on par. The level of composition that he brings to the table is simply a class above. He only needs to do a few more things to really cement his legacy, but I think he's on track to do a film score at some point in the near future, and I'm sure it will be mind-blowing. Thoughts or opinions?

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19184650 - 11/24/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not a deadmau5 fan, but can respect him


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19184655 - 11/24/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm guessing Simon posford of shpongle would get more votes than deadmoufive.  Make a poll already, I want to vote


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19184667 - 11/24/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Greatest?
I don't think so.
He's extremely talented, but I would hold Jon Gooch (Spor, Feed Me, Seventh Stitch) above him. I find Jon's better at mixing/mastering/synth design, etc.
Zedd is also very musically talented. As is Savant (but he has an advantage it seems)
And on top of that, Daft Punk has them all beat. By a long shot. haha

And don't forget about Shpongle, Infected Mushroom

Joel is up there, and his new "7" album/LP sounds amazing, and I love how he's venturing into non electronic production now.

With that said, I wouldn't necessarily say he's the greatest - though he's definitely one of most successful.  Good ol' dead mow five.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: MrHill]
    #19184718 - 11/24/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Greatest?
I don't think so.
He's extremely talented, but I would hold Jon Gooch (Spor, Feed Me, Seventh Stitch) above him. I find Jon's better at mixing/mastering/synth design, etc.
Zedd is also very musically talented. As is Savant (but he has an advantage it seems)
And on top of that, Daft Punk has them all beat. By a long shot. haha

And don't forget about Shpongle, Infected Mushroom

Joel is up there, and his new "7" album/LP sounds amazing, and I love how he's venturing into non electronic production now.

With that said, I wouldn't necessarily say he's the greatest - though he's definitely one of most successful.  Good ol' dead mow five.




Fair points. I disagree about Daft Punk, however, although popular opinion seems to place them very highly indeed, so it's not really an opinion that you're expressing. Never inspired by their music, personally. I think that Joel (Deadmau5) could be onto something big, depending on what direction he goes in what with his new EP and his forthcoming album. It could upstage anything he's done before, but that would not be easy to do. Deadmau5, by virtue of being very independent and ego-centric, has kind of been able to do something very special with his music. It's kind of like it's all Joel all the time and he's really just refined his art to a point of true mastery. I mean, he makes a brand of music that is very distinctly his own, and I think he wants it that way. But it really is a unique product, and when you get into For Lack of a Better Name and Random Album Title, well that's a slice of heaven. I go into those albums completely sober and I still go on journeys to the center of my own mind. It's amazing stuff.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19184733 - 11/24/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

its boards of canada you all know that


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19184739 - 11/24/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

True true, I'm in no way hating on deadmau5, he's a beast at what he does and really markets his brand well. On top of that, he's extremely talented, and also has the ability to find other extremely talented artists blow them up. haha

I'm not a fan of Daft Punk's older stuff, not to say that it isn't exceptionally good, it's just not my style.
They really blew me away with their latest album though. R.A.M. is questionably one of the best albums of the 2000's. Period. 
The fusion of genres, the fucking perfect quality of instruments and voices, the lyrics (Get Lucky aside.. that's my least favorite song on the album), and the overall composition. No one's on their level, or even close for that matter. 
They basically defined the progression of electronic music.
Check out the track titled "Touch". Very awesome.

I do enjoy other artist's music a lot more than DP, but I know talent and perfection when I see it.

Deadmau5 is up there, top 10 producers for sure, but he's not on some other's level. He has a good mix of composition, synths, creativity, and brand, but others do it better.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: MrHill] * 1
    #19186917 - 11/25/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think Liam Howlett, Simon Posford, old Infected Mushroom, Daft Punk, Boards of Canada blow Deadmau5 out of the water in terms of ingenuity, talent, listening ability, sound design, composition,

I really don't understand why people like Deadmau5, besides maybe his whole image, which is like going to Disney Land in a musical way. I find his music boring, and too simple for my tastes.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19189104 - 11/25/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Give these a listen.





Zomby isn't my all time favorite, but his melodies are amazing to me personally. I'd definitely put him above deadmau5.

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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19190174 - 11/26/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The answer is clearly no. Deadmouse? Come on, maybe if all we're talking about is dance/rave/house music, which is basically all that has been mentioned in this thread. The only exceptions to that are Sphongle who isn't very diverse, Boards of Canada which is pretty weak overall and Daft Punk which is about as cheesy as it gets. If you think their latest album is so great go pick up a Steely Dan record from the late 70's/early 80's and hear that kinda shit done right, with some actual harmonic content and class.

My vote for Greatest Electronic Producer of the channels of music I've traveled would have to go to Squarepusher or maybe Cevin Key, Richard D. James or Sascha Konietzko. And that's boldly giving no credit to prolific pioneers like Stockhausen, Vangelis, Eno, Tomita, countless Japanese composers (honorable mention to the prog and fusion guys) who pioneered and developed all the tools and elements of modern electronic music.

This EDM crap that's so ubiquitous now, even the best of it, is a tiny sliver of the spectrum of what's possible. To say that Deadmouse is the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time makes you sound like you're about 14 and brain dead from Ecstasy.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
    #19191317 - 11/26/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



i believe eoto would school any electronic artist out there.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka] * 1
    #19191360 - 11/26/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The answer is clearly no. Deadmouse? Come on, maybe if all we're talking about is dance/rave/house music, which is basically all that has been mentioned in this thread. The only exceptions to that are Sphongle who isn't very diverse, Boards of Canada which is pretty weak overall and Daft Punk which is about as cheesy as it gets. If you think their latest album is so great go pick up a Steely Dan record from the late 70's/early 80's and hear that kinda shit done right, with some actual harmonic content and class.

My vote for Greatest Electronic Producer of the channels of music I've traveled would have to go to Squarepusher or maybe Cevin Key, Richard D. James or Sascha Konietzko. And that's boldly giving no credit to prolific pioneers like Stockhausen, Vangelis, Eno, Tomita, countless Japanese composers (honorable mention to the prog and fusion guys) who pioneered and developed all the tools and elements of modern electronic music.

This EDM crap that's so ubiquitous now, even the best of it, is a tiny sliver of the spectrum of what's possible. To say that Deadmouse is the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time makes you sound like you're about 14 and brain dead from Ecstasy.



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Deadmause is pretty dam weak. Dam weak. 3 out of 10 on a talent scale, maybe less. Probably less. 2 out of 10. Im being generous.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: theonlysun81]
    #19192443 - 11/26/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The answer is clearly no. Deadmouse? Come on, maybe if all we're talking about is dance/rave/house music, which is basically all that has been mentioned in this thread. The only exceptions to that are Sphongle who isn't very diverse, Boards of Canada which is pretty weak overall and Daft Punk which is about as cheesy as it gets. If you think their latest album is so great go pick up a Steely Dan record from the late 70's/early 80's and hear that kinda shit done right, with some actual harmonic content and class.

My vote for Greatest Electronic Producer of the channels of music I've traveled would have to go to Squarepusher or maybe Cevin Key, Richard D. James or Sascha Konietzko. And that's boldly giving no credit to prolific pioneers like Stockhausen, Vangelis, Eno, Tomita, countless Japanese composers (honorable mention to the prog and fusion guys) who pioneered and developed all the tools and elements of modern electronic music.

This EDM crap that's so ubiquitous now, even the best of it, is a tiny sliver of the spectrum of what's possible. To say that Deadmouse is the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time makes you sound like you're about 14 and brain dead from Ecstasy.




Well, I've rolled just the two times so I hope I'm not irreparably damaged from that. Anyway, I find it very difficult to believe that an electronic music fan, which you seem to be, would not appreciate what Deadmau5 does. Kudos to BoC, Richard D. James, and Squarepusher. God bless them all and I love some of their music. I really do. Deadmau5 is difficult to compare musically to those guys, which is part of the problem, but he's nothing to scoff at. It seems like you have a group of people, which includes me, that are hardcore Deadmau5 fans, and then you have another group of people who say he's shit and give him no credit for what he does. It's very polarized. I feel like you haven't even really given his music an honest listen, or even a chance. It's not that generic EDM crap, and neither is dubstep or whatever other label you could throw out there. Frankly, he's a musical prodigy, but this is shrouded by those labels I just mentioned.

But seriously, you mustn't really be listening his music, because you just would not say those things. There's no way. His fans give him a bit of a bad reputation, but that's not necessarily his fault. What he has accomplished is nothing short of incredible. You should look at his entire body of work. This bit is one of my all time faves.



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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19194627 - 11/26/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

here, lets compromise


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #19194669 - 11/26/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

DEFINITELY not. First of all, when you say 'electronic producer' that is SO BROAD man. Deadmau5 makes pretty amazing progressive house, that's what I would say.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #19194720 - 11/26/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I enjoy deadmau5, don't get me wrong, but claiming he is a "musical prodigy" or "the greatest producer of all time" is a very short sighted statement. His technical know-how is spot on as well as his audio aesthetic but as a person he's a bit meh(so far as I can tell from interviews and having seen him perform live). Besides all the fantastic producers listed I would contend that the one of the top producers/classically trained musicians is Daedelus.

He blows every other producer I've seen out of the water in all categories. The guys been on the scene for over 10 years without much recognition, and crafts the most diverse and cohesive tracks I've ever heard to date. Everything from ambient, musique concrete, drum and bass, symphony music, EDM, hip hop, rock, and samba(the list goes on and on) he's practically mastered the production of. Also his 256 and 64 button monome with an accelerometer takes way more talent to utilize than deadmau5's setup, let alone sound as sublime. If you truly love electronica check this guy out, makes deadmau5 look like a kid with an ipod and a cheap Numark CDJ.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #19194974 - 11/27/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What does the greatest mean?
how do you define greatness?

are we talking about popularity?  artistic ability?  composition?  taste in music?

I say never mind all that
why do we always want compare cocks and prove that the music we listen to is the best?
I remember back in the day when nobody knew about shpongle and I'd try to explain it to someone who didn't know anything about electronic music, they'd be like "Oh so it's some techno shit huh?"  I'd get piiisssed  :kingcrankey: 

But eventually I was like whats the point of getting myself pissed off.  The point is to enjoy the music, when I'm trying to prove to others that who I'm listening to is the best I'm missing the point.  Taste is mostly subjective anyway.....

If you enjoy the music, if it makes you feel good......who gives the shit about who's the best or what anyone else thinks?

I mean shit nowadays I even like Lindsey Stirling - I bet you I would've thought that was gay back in the day :lol:


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: bloodbrother778] * 1
    #19195004 - 11/27/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Greatest Producer implies a great contribution to music...which is why EDMish EDM is kind of out of the running.

If you were showing people the latest Sphongle album and they replied "Oh so it's some techno shit" they wouldn't be far off, the latest record I heard is basically decorative house music.

As for, "if it makes you feel good...", I think this can be a trap. You'll be seduced by anything if this is your standard of measure.


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Viveka]
    #19195026 - 11/27/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you were showing people the latest Sphongle album and they replied "Oh so it's some techno shit" they wouldn't be far off, the latest record I heard is basically decorative house music.






If you're taking about museum of consciousness, I didn't like the album very much either, but to describe it as house.......makes me think you really have no idea what you're talking about.  I don't think it resembles house in any way shape or form.


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As for, "if it makes you feel good...", I think this can be a trap. You'll be seduced by anything if this is your standard of measure.




You're assuming that I like just anything, which I don't.  While I agree that a mindless search for sensory pleasure is not the best thing, that's not what I mean.

All I'm saying is that enjoyment should be a bigger priority than critique.  Why do we have to impose all sorts of conditions on something in order to be happy?  This is precisely why we aren't happy - because really we are only giving ourselves the possibility of not being happy if our conditions are not fulfilled.  Why not just be happy regardless of whether your conditions are fulfilled or not?


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Re: Is Deadmau5 the Greatest Electronic Producer of All Time? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #19195461 - 11/27/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I enjoy deadmau5, don't get me wrong, but claiming he is a "musical prodigy" or "the greatest producer of all time" is a very short sighted statement. His technical know-how is spot on as well as his audio aesthetic but as a person he's a bit meh(so far as I can tell from interviews and having seen him perform live). Besides all the fantastic producers listed I would contend that the one of the top producers/classically trained musicians is Daedelus.

He blows every other producer I've seen out of the water in all categories. The guys been on the scene for over 10 years without much recognition, and crafts the most diverse and cohesive tracks I've ever heard to date. Everything from ambient, musique concrete, drum and bass, symphony music, EDM, hip hop, rock, and samba(the list goes on and on) he's practically mastered the production of. Also his 256 and 64 button monome with an accelerometer takes way more talent to utilize than deadmau5's setup, let alone sound as sublime. If you truly love electronica check this guy out, makes deadmau5 look like a kid with an ipod and a cheap Numark CDJ.




One of the main reasons I made this thread was to actually have a conversation about the musican-ship that Deadmau5 brings to the table, and to talk about him in terms of the all-time greats. Because frankly he doesn't get nearly enough recognition for the depth of his music. Your post kind of sums it up. I mean, I feel that he should be in that conversation. Someone brings up Deadmau5, and then someone goes " fuck that shit go listen to REAL electronic music like Aphex or Squarepusher." I completely disagree and feel like that's short sighted. I have a feeling that if Deadmau5 weren't mainstream or popular, he would have more credibility among connoisseurs of fine electronic music. Maybe not. Idk. But he's brilliant in his own right.


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