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OfflineThe Monarch
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unidentified bluing mushroom
    #19184363 - 11/24/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Habitat:
well decomposed landscaping bark (the fine black stuff) mixed with sand and small colonies of moss. under, and some fruiting from a small juniper or cypress or ceder cousin i dont know much about trees, you can see the trunk in a few shots and there are some needles on the ground

Gills:
white/a little grey, free from stem

Stem:
2-3.5cm length, dia 1-2mm, grey glowing white most likely from spores, texture ridged and clean snapping like in psilocybe, maybe partially filled with thin pith(dont quote that) , few specimens exhibit dark bluing only at the base

Cap:
Diameter not reaching over one cm, color greyish with margin staining bright blue, texture viscid almost gelatinous as in p.pelliculosa or semi , conical, very pronounced nipple/bell shape never changing in maturity

Spore print color:
alabaster white

Bruising:
cyan blue

Other information:
i originally collected a single specimen believing it to be psilocybe  pelliculosa at first glance just to obtain a spore sample for my collection but when i looked at it at home i realized i had something totally different. ive spent a few weeks trying to find a genus to group it into and cant even do that. i will say i am a fairly seasoned mushroom hunter and know abit about other lesser known psilo active mushrooms but these have me stumped

a fat azure just for fun :smile:


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: The Monarch]
    #19184369 - 11/24/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Genus is Mycena.

Inactive i'm afraid, it's a different bluing reaction.

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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19184405 - 11/24/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Possibly Mycena subcaerulea


Edit: On second thought; I believe they are only east of the Rockies....


Edited by SoCalHunter (11/24/13 08:33 PM)


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OfflineThe Monarch
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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19184412 - 11/24/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i could not key it into mycena if you have any leads i would like to know  but i know tracking down exact is pretty rough. im not a teen looking for bluing that isnt there in a lbm, and these mushrooms are way too small to "get high" from, just something unlike anything ive seen in many years of experience. not to say im not missing anything, i do have my weak points in taxonomy


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #19184423 - 11/24/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

SoCalHunter said:
Possibly Mycena subcaerulea


Edit: On second thought; I believe they are only east of the Rockies....





damn closer then i have gotten thank you! i am in pnw tho


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: The Monarch]
    #19184431 - 11/24/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Monarch said:
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SoCalHunter said:
Possibly Mycena subcaerulea


Edit: On second thought; I believe they are only east of the Rockies....





damn closer then i have gotten thank you! i am in pnw tho





Take a look at Mycena amicta OR Mycena cyanorrhiza


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Edited by SoCalHunter (11/24/13 08:57 PM)


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #19184482 - 11/24/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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SoCalHunter said:
Quote:

The Monarch said:
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SoCalHunter said:
Possibly Mycena subcaerulea


Edit: On second thought; I believe they are only east of the Rockies....





damn closer then i have gotten thank you! i am in pnw tho





Take a look at Mycena amicta OR Mycena maculata (although M. maculata lacks the blueish hues to the best of my knowledge)




east coast mushrooms? they stain as they are handled. and if you looks at the tree shoot there are 2 out of focus fruiting directly reom the tree


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: The Monarch]
    #19184485 - 11/24/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They are Mycena, but I am not well-versed in the blue/bluing species.


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The volva is the volva.

They have a very long term realtionship, but they’re “just friends.”


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: suchen]
    #19184502 - 11/24/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Probably Mycena amicta

The blue looks slightly lighter in shade than psilocin bluing I think...More like the bluing Lepiotas.


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: The Monarch]
    #19184529 - 11/24/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Monarch said:
Quote:

SoCalHunter said:
Quote:

The Monarch said:
Quote:

SoCalHunter said:
Possibly Mycena subcaerulea


Edit: On second thought; I believe they are only east of the Rockies....





damn closer then i have gotten thank you! i am in pnw tho





Take a look at Mycena amicta OR Mycena maculata (although M. maculata lacks the blueish hues to the best of my knowledge)




east coast mushrooms? they stain as they are handled. and if you looks at the tree shoot there are 2 out of focus fruiting directly reom the tree




Mycena amicta are found in CA; so I would venture a guess that they're found further up the west coast aswell..

as for the ones growing directly from the tree: they could be growing from a dead/rotting section of the tree.  I picked 10 pounds of Laetiporus sulphureus from the side of a rotting (but alive) oak tree last week.


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19184567 - 11/24/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ill buy that, they lack the greenish hues as in psilocybe and fail to continually blue/blacken as psilo oxidizes. Again i am not well versed in mycena as many are not, this just stuck out to me


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: The Monarch]
    #19184623 - 11/24/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Monarch said:
Ill buy that, they lack the greenish hues as in psilocybe and fail to continually blue/blacken as psilo oxidizes. Again i am not well versed in mycena as many are not, this just stuck out to me





I believe it is active mushrooms within the Genus Gymnopilus  that bruise green-ish.  To the best of my knowledge the Genus Psilocybe will bruise blue.

Either way, these Mycena are pretty cool find!

  Only reason I know anything about the Genus Mycena is due to some of my old buddies who were CONSTANTLY bringing them to me saying: "Is this the kind that I want?  I really think these are what I've been looking for man; Help me Id them." ("I" meaning my old buddies)


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #19184686 - 11/24/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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SoCalHunter said:
Quote:

The Monarch said:
Ill buy that, they lack the greenish hues as in psilocybe and fail to continually blue/blacken as psilo oxidizes. Again i am not well versed in mycena as many are not, this just stuck out to me





I believe it is active mushrooms within the Genus Gymnopilus  that bruise green-ish.  To the best of my knowledge the Genus Psilocybe will bruise blue.

Either way, these Mycena are pretty cool find!

  Only reason I know anything about the Genus Mycena is due to some of my old buddies who were CONSTANTLY bringing them to me saying: "Is this the kind that I want?  I really think these are what I've been looking for man; Help me Id them." ("I" meaning my old buddies)



No. Psilocybes can certainly stain anywhere from a greenish aquamarine to straight sky blue then practically black. Take for instance P. ovoideocystidiata. It shows greenish-blue tones frequently. I believe this is due to higher concentrations of baeocystin, but I have not seen literature to support this. Just a theory of mine.


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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus

(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19184708 - 11/24/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hashfinger said:
Quote:

SoCalHunter said:
Quote:

The Monarch said:
Ill buy that, they lack the greenish hues as in psilocybe and fail to continually blue/blacken as psilo oxidizes. Again i am not well versed in mycena as many are not, this just stuck out to me





I believe it is active mushrooms within the Genus Gymnopilus  that bruise green-ish.  To the best of my knowledge the Genus Psilocybe will bruise blue.

Either way, these Mycena are pretty cool find!

  Only reason I know anything about the Genus Mycena is due to some of my old buddies who were CONSTANTLY bringing them to me saying: "Is this the kind that I want?  I really think these are what I've been looking for man; Help me Id them." ("I" meaning my old buddies)



No. Psilocybes can certainly stain anywhere from a greenish aquamarine to straight sky blue then practically black. Take for instance P. ovoideocystidiata. It shows greenish-blue tones frequently. I believe this is due to higher concentrations of baeocystin, but I have not seen literature to support this. Just a theory of mine.




THATS RIGHT!!    I've seen Psilocybe stain various shades of the blue spectrum and so blue that it appears black.  HOWEVER I totally forgot about P. ovoid and their awesome blue-green staining!  I spaced because I've only seen Ovoids twice and the only other times I've seen an active around here bruise green it has been in the Genus Gymnopilus.


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: SoCalHunter]
    #19184936 - 11/24/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I grew a strain of cubes when i was a kid that stained predominantly green green. Years ago i remember talk of the green staining cambodian cube. And yes these mycena are a very cool find for me ill post spore shots kwhen i get my new lens, unless anyone knows how to clean dried on oil


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: The Monarch]
    #19185078 - 11/24/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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unless anyone knows how to clean dried on oil





Start with cotton and isopropanol, and if that doesn't work move on to stronger solvents like acetone.


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19185106 - 11/24/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cool find, Ive yet to find a blueing Mycena!!


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: The Monarch]
    #19185401 - 11/25/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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SoCalHunter said:
Take a look at Mycena amicta OR Mycena cyanorrhiza




M. amicta looks like a good suggestion. Did the cap have a pellicle?

Here are some good descriptions of M. amicta and M. cyanorrhiza which
might be helpful when you do the microscopy.


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: Anglerfish]
    #19185944 - 11/25/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Try asking Sava, he is a Mycena expert in the PNW.  You can find him on mushroomobserver.org.


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Re: unidentified bluing mushroom [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19187853 - 11/25/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

might also try using some of the same oil to soften it up, using the like-dissolves-like principle, but that's not based on knowledge of microscopes in particular but how solvents work in general.

Alan, have you ever tried that?

Hate to pontificate, but acetone is generally considered a polar solvent and not the best for oily stuff - great as a final rinse to remove any water in glassware as water is polar and the H20 dissolves readily in it.  It has a super low vapor pressure so it is gone in seconds taking the water with it.

you could possibly mix some lighter fluid (hexanes) in your acetone to get a good all purpose solvent but i'm not sure what that would do to the occular, i'll try to look into that for myself and let you know

or if you have about 5 months to wait :wink: let it polymerize (which is sorta what its doing on oxidation) and then try to peel it off as a thin film


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