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FrankHorrigan
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Let me be the first to say that IME, proper conditions and topside-only fruiting will give better results (yield) than fruiting on all possible sides in the same conditions.
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I'm sure, if only due to greater surface area alone.
I think I'm going to try this reverse casing thing. Though lining it with a trash bag does allow for a slick removal if you just kinda flip the bag inside out around the mat of spent mycelium. Oh well: upside of this grow was that I ended up having to consolidate the grain for 3 weeks, so the potency is

You guys need to try that.
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FrankHorrigan
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BittrBuffalo said: I'm sure, if only due to greater surface area alone.
upside of this grow was that I ended up having to consolidate the grain for 3 weeks, so the potency is
Are you saying you are sure fruiting on all possible sides will increase yield, because of the greater surface area?
This isn't the case in practice, that is what I was saying.
Also consolidation does not increase potency. You got some potent genetics is all.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (11/25/13 11:28 AM)
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She may be referring to this thread
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FrankHorrigan
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I remember that thread.
I treat that member's posts with some serious skepticism
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I did too until RR piped in.
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FrankHorrigan
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Yeah, but that was two years ago 
I've consolidated grains for up to two weeks just because I fell behind. Never noticed any increase in potency on my isolates.
And I'm pretty sure PS is using multispore for that thread.
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FrankHorrigan said: Let me be the first to say that IME, proper conditions and topside-only fruiting will give better results (yield) than fruiting on all possible sides in the same conditions.
I have noticed this as well, would you say that when there is a possibility to pin from the side that it will do so due to a preference to pin from the side. I had read before RR saying that cubes have a preference to pin from the side in nature. What are your thoughts on this.
I always keep the liner until the top is rather exhausted, lets say after the 3rd or 4th flush, at which point I remove the liner and sometimes flip the sub. The bottom of the sub will still pin at that point, but it will be minimal compared to the agressive pinning from the sides. Not a bad practice when trying to squeeze out a fifth flush, but definitely detrimental to start that way. It also seems that if the liner is not well applied that once a few pins get in there and push it away, the floodgates open and more pins form there which used to cause me to have poor second and third flushes. This is my theory on why slatting is such a dismal failure as well. Pins will only want to form where a side is perceived. I also think that this explains why cakes prefer to pin from the sides. Any thoughts on these observations?
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Also consolidation does not increase potency. You got some potent genetics is all.
OH SNAP. PrimalSoup and Violet are gonna tag team yo ass.
Actually, PrimalSoup, though I bust his balls about his love affair with PE, is way too chill a dude to serve a smackdown. And Violet seems pretty nice, too.
I was also a little skeptical about the idea until RR piped in, precisely because I like to bust PS's balls about PE and other potency-related lore. I WILL NOT RELENT ON THIS, PS. Until you give me a swab and I try it for myself. And I probably still won't relent sheerly for my own entertainment, unless it blows my mind, in which case I'll consider admitting defeat. I'm fair like that.
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FrankHorrigan
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BittrBuffalo said: PrimalSoup and Violet are gonna tag team yo ass.
I'm so scared
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Hahaha, that's pretty funny. I won't "tag-team" your ass , but how about we discuss some facts of the matter?
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SpitballJedi said: She may be referring to this thread
I remember that thread. I treat that member's posts with some serious skepticism 
I did too until RR piped in.
Yeah, but that was two years ago 
And has he said anything to the opposite effect since then? Nope.
In fact this 6-yr-old quote is the only other thing he's said on the matter.
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RogerRabbit said: Allowing a substrate to consolidate its hold on the substrate before introducing to fruiting conditions is good practice. By digesting more food before fruiting, better quality fruits are produced. Other than that, there are no known ways to readily increase potency in substrates. RR
Fortunately enough time has possibly passed for the Last statement to change, but there's been nothing new to change the First!
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FrankHorrigan said: I've consolidated grains for up to two weeks just because I fell behind. Never noticed any increase in potency on my isolates.
It doesn't matter that you "consolidated" your grains, because you Destroyed that colony for "spawning", essentially starting a new colony and restarting the grow. Besides, 'never noticing' doesn't mean it hasn't occurred to an unnoticed degree.
You've also said on numerous occasions not only that it has been years since you've tripped (and certainly if that's changed since then it won't have changed much), but that you don't care about potency anyway, So I take your statements about potency for no more of an expert opinion than it really is, and so ought savvy readers.
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Edited by Violet (11/26/13 03:09 PM)
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Re: Dammit... [Re: Violet]
#19192596 - 11/26/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll certainly "admit" firstly that consolidating BULK substrates doesn't help much. They want to get their one hurried big flush out just about as soon as they can, and the potential for increased potency is mostly lost to the over-dilution of the nutrition over watermass with 3-10x the mycelium culture. So it's no surprise to hear people that grow practically only such methods say they don't experience a difference. Even if the difference were there it would be quite subtle and such people seldom have an eye out for such subtleties.
I'd suggest not bothering to consolidate unless on straight-grains where you kindof have to anyway before they'll fruit heartily. But for achieving a not-so-subtle potency difference I suggest using a grow tech where one can take full advantage of the consolidating "procedure" which is truly just waiting a bit longer!
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Re: Dammit... [Re: Violet]
#19192793 - 11/26/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The oft repeated statement that you only get one flush off of any bulk grow will come as surprise to many.
It's a pure bullshit statement.

Think about it for a sec...
There's PLENTY of proof to the contrary around here. Tens of thousands of grow threads over the years prove that statement wrong.
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What's REALLY bullshit is following specific people around on forums for the purpose of twisting their statements.
I said one BIG flush, not only one flush. Duh. How'd you misread that so badly? Or are you saying that the known predictable flush curve of bulks is bullshit?
One giant flush, dwindling stragglers. Show me a 2nd flush from bulk sub that puts off near as much as or more than the first flush (presuming of course that the first flush is what it should be)
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FrankHorrigan
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FrankHorrigan said: I've consolidated grains for up to two weeks just because I fell behind. Never noticed any increase in potency on my isolates.
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Re: Dammit... [Re: Violet]
#19192912 - 11/26/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: I've consolidated grains for up to two weeks just because I fell behind. Never noticed any increase in potency on my isolates.
It doesn't matter that you "consolidated" your grains, because you Destroyed that colony for "spawning", essentially starting a new colony and restarting the grow. Besides, 'never noticing' doesn't mean it hasn't occurred to an unnoticed degree.
You've also said on numerous occasions not only that it has been years since you've tripped (and certainly if that's changed since then it won't have changed much), but that you don't care about potency anyway, So I take your statements about potency for no more of an expert opinion than it really is, and so ought savvy readers.
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Re: Dammit... [Re: Violet]
#19192919 - 11/26/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's been a lot of talk by the self-styled "new-age" set that bulk grows have one flush and then contam. Everything I'm seeing and reading points to the fact that this is bad information.
Type 5th flush in the search bar... or 6th, or even 7th flush.
For the lazy crowd here's the links.
5th flush: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?terms=5th+flush
7th flush: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?terms=7th+flush
You get the idea.
I didn't bother searching 8th flush. Probably results for that to.
It was a combination of what you said there Violet, about bulkers wanting one big flush...not 3 or 4, or 7.
Why shouldn't a "bulker" want or expect several flushes in your opinion? Is it because of what I've heard both you and anne say...that bulk grows contam-out after the first flush?
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You avoided the point. It's not the number of flushes, you can keep letting substrates go until they contam. You can number the following "flushes" as you like. It's the size of those subsequent flushes. And it's about TOTAL YIELD.
" Or are you saying that the known predictable flush curve of bulks is bullshit?
One giant flush, dwindling stragglers. Show me a 2nd flush from bulk sub that puts off near as much as or more than the first flush (presuming of course that the first flush is what it should be) "
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Dammit... [Re: Violet]
#19192941 - 11/26/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OP used his grains he consolidated as spawn, rendering this whole argument a moot point if violet's word is to be taken.
This has zero to do with the original post at this point. Imagine that
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