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OfflineEnvix
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expensive as hell book
    #19183338 - 11/24/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i really want to check out this book. but its freakin $800+ wtf that is too much for a book why am i not able to afford a book. yeah yeah its got some juicy information in it. what the hell does that matter? should it not be available to everyone and not just super rich people i want to learn too this is oppression like slavery style yo

http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Consciousness-William-P-Banks/dp/0123738644/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0



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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix] * 1
    #19183352 - 11/24/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Get a job.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19183361 - 11/24/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Get a job.



This,

or whatever you do, don't download it for free from a torrent site.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19183362 - 11/24/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The only book you will ever need.



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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: abltsandwich] * 5
    #19183370 - 11/24/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The only book you will ever need.



:laugh2:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: mylfgur]
    #19183408 - 11/24/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Amen Brother BLT


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19183483 - 11/24/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
The only book you will ever need.





AMEN Praise Jesus


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19183523 - 11/24/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why not just buy the hardcover for $400 or start off with just vol 1 for $177?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: muistrue] * 1
    #19183527 - 11/24/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Dayyyyyyyyyyyyyum why is that book so damn expensive?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: FruitOfLife] * 4
    #19183535 - 11/24/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Dayyyyyyyyyyyyyum why is that book so damn expensive?



because it will only sell a few copies


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 4
    #19183548 - 11/24/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Get a job.



i'm pretty sure he has one to pay for rent, and food.

you underestimate how fucked up America is for alot of people right now.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19183555 - 11/24/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Get a job.



i'm pretty sure he has one to pay for rent, and food.

you underestimate how fucked up America is for alot of people right now.



Your entitlement mentality is the problem not the system


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19183591 - 11/24/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19183598 - 11/24/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Get a job.



i'm pretty sure he has one to pay for rent, and food.

you underestimate how fucked up America is for alot of people right now.



It isn't America that is fucked up


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
    #19183600 - 11/24/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ah, the shroomery. great to know i have a good place to come to for the perfect answers without even any cynicism or flaming at all on the first page


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19183604 - 11/24/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What flaming?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19183611 - 11/24/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oh don't worry, it'll come


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Dest]
    #19183628 - 11/24/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Dest said:
I was gonna say just steal it but there's nowhere you could steal it from
Now I want this book wtf.
heres another two
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/encyclopedia-of-spectroscopy-and-spectrometry-2nd-edition-elsevier-science/1111448457?ean=9780123744173

http://www.amazon.com/The-Shulgin-Index-Volume-Phenethylamines/dp/096300963X




You just made me order a $60 book  :mad2:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 4
    #19183630 - 11/24/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Get a job.



i'm pretty sure he has one to pay for rent, and food.

you underestimate how fucked up America is for alot of people right now.



It isn't America that is fucked up



yeah, it is. it's fucked up because it doesn't work for everyone, and not everyone gets a chance. it might not be fucked up for you, but it is for plenty of other people.

and that's because... AMERICA IS FUCKED UP. nothing is perfect, either, so... :shrug: i'm not saying the "system doesn't work" or anything... i'm just saying that it's fucked to live in America, right now, for some people. you can attribute that to whatever you want, but for me... i feel like it's because America is a fucked up place. sorta like the rest of the world.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19183654 - 11/24/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Everybody gets a chance.  Nosuystem will ever work for everyone.  Some people are useless pieces of shit.  If anything, America is pandering to far too many useless pieces of shit.  Some people are assholes.  That is a fact.  If anything, the pandering to assholes has created more assholes.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #19183661 - 11/24/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Everybody gets a chance.  Nosuystem will ever work for everyone.  Some people are useless pieces of shit.  If anything, America is pandering to far too many useless pieces of shit.  Some people are assholes.  That is a fact.  If anything, the pandering to assholes has created more assholes.




well, that is exactly how America is fucked up.

peeps like Envix don't get a chance because of those people. you can't just lump anyone who isn't having an easy time in America as being "one of those idiots". sometimes it's because of those idiots, that people have to struggle.

:shrug:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19183665 - 11/24/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19183670 - 11/24/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:crankey:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19183689 - 11/24/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Everybody gets a chance.  Nosuystem will ever work for everyone.  Some people are useless pieces of shit.  If anything, America is pandering to far too many useless pieces of shit.  Some people are assholes.  That is a fact.  If anything, the pandering to assholes has created more assholes.




well, that is exactly how America is fucked up.

peeps like Envix don't get a chance because of those people. you can't just lump anyone who isn't having an easy time in America as being "one of those idiots". sometimes it's because of those idiots, that people have to struggle.

:shrug:




How did he not get a chance?  Since when is it the purview of a government to provide everything for everyone, Komrade?  How did that work out?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
    #19183695 - 11/24/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How did this thread go from expensive books to people arguing over how fucked up America is or isnt???

:derail:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19183700 - 11/24/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ask akira directly


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix] * 3
    #19183722 - 11/24/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously, how lazy do you have to be to not have at least a mid-level management position? Get a law degree or something and shake hands with some influential people already. It's not hard. Stop whining.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19183782 - 11/24/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Everybody gets a chance.  Nosuystem will ever work for everyone.  Some people are useless pieces of shit.  If anything, America is pandering to far too many useless pieces of shit.  Some people are assholes.  That is a fact.  If anything, the pandering to assholes has created more assholes.




well, that is exactly how America is fucked up.

peeps like Envix don't get a chance because of those people. you can't just lump anyone who isn't having an easy time in America as being "one of those idiots". sometimes it's because of those idiots, that people have to struggle.

:shrug:




How did he not get a chance?  Since when is it the purview of a government to provide everything for everyone, Komrade?  How did that work out?



sure he has a chance... HE HAS A JOB, like i said. you're the one who jumped to "get a job". i'm saying he has a job... what, you think he should have a "different job"? maybe he can't because some of the aforementioned assholes you love to pander about got the job first. like i said, BECAUSE of the overwhelming reign of assholes, which you ascribe to being there, as well, have taken opportunities AWAY from people that want the job more, or who can do it better... that's my point. that's why it's screwed up. not because it didn't give Envix a chance, but because chances are taken away by people who aren't even interested or qualified enough to the job, more then he is. THAT'S what's unfair.
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Ask akira directly



your first post derailed the thread. you didn't address anything but you're own egomaniacal view on "a jobless loser", which you from the get go are incorrect about anyways. :shrug:

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KremrBigSikter said:
Seriously, how lazy do you have to be to not have at least a mid-level management position? Get a law degree or something and shake hands with some influential people already. It's not hard. Stop whining.



what is the presumption that Envix is lazy and doesn't a good enough paying job, or no job at all?

are you people delusional, or just asinine?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19183783 - 11/24/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I must admit that my slacking has led to me being deprived of a Ferrari.  WHY DO THEY COST SO FUCKING MUCH I WANT ONE NEOW!:bitch:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
    #19183805 - 11/24/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the thread was about how A BOOK could be 800$ and how that's such an exorbitant amount of money, that it's kinda funny and ridiculous, FOR A BOOK to be that much.

this thread included no complaining or whinging from Envix about a lack of money on his part, PERIOD. you people are over exaggerating based on well... nothing. :shrug: America, you should just start beating your kids, for not having a good enough job as you; go back to the 1800s, you're stuck there mentally.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19183808 - 11/24/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Get a job.




Lots of people who have jobs don't have $800 they could spend on an interesting looking book.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19183822 - 11/24/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well maybe they should get a better paying job or work longer hours or cut their other expenses.  Amazing how that works sometimes

I STILL DO NOT HAVE A FUCKING FERRARI AND THE COUNTRY IS FUCKING ME OVER!


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19183827 - 11/24/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

maybe they shouldn't even have any time to read the fucking book, eh? because lack of funds.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19183837 - 11/24/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Well maybe they should get a better paying job or work longer hours or cut their other expenses.  Amazing how that works sometimes

I STILL DO NOT HAVE A FUCKING FERRARI AND THE COUNTRY IS FUCKING ME OVER!




You could probably afford a Ferrari, however.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
    #19183838 - 11/24/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Well maybe they should get a better paying job or work longer hours or cut their other expenses.  Amazing how that works sometimes

I STILL DO NOT HAVE A FUCKING FERRARI AND THE COUNTRY IS FUCKING ME OVER!



All these red herrings.

Someone should close this thread, it's gotten fucking retarded.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19183854 - 11/24/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That book was handwritten by monks OP.

Be thankful you have the chance to flip through it and then resell it for exorbitant cost.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Konyap]
    #19183856 - 11/24/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: mylfgur]
    #19183860 - 11/24/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

mylfgur said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Well maybe they should get a better paying job or work longer hours or cut their other expenses.  Amazing how that works sometimes

I STILL DO NOT HAVE A FUCKING FERRARI AND THE COUNTRY IS FUCKING ME OVER!



All these red herrings.

Someone should close this thread, it's gotten fucking retarded.




It got retarded after the first post.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19183870 - 11/24/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mush4Brains said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Well maybe they should get a better paying job or work longer hours or cut their other expenses.  Amazing how that works sometimes

I STILL DO NOT HAVE A FUCKING FERRARI AND THE COUNTRY IS FUCKING ME OVER!




You could probably afford a Ferrari, however.



After the fuckers are out of school.  BUT I DON'T WANT TO WAIT I WANT IT NEOW.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Konyap]
    #19183880 - 11/24/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Most people who own ferraris are self employed
There's got to be a way to make 800 dollars without slaving away for the man.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19183884 - 11/24/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
After the fuckers are out of school.  BUT I DON'T WANT TO WAIT I WANT IT NEOW.





Who are you referring to as "the fuckers?"


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19183887 - 11/24/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You could always look for reading material in a different genre.

One of the more popular and least expensive type of books are in the romance/rape section.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Mush4Brains] * 3
    #19183938 - 11/24/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
After the fuckers are out of school.  BUT I DON'T WANT TO WAIT I WANT IT NEOW.





Who are you referring to as "the fuckers?"



The children


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19184031 - 11/24/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Must be nice to have mommy and daddy put you through college.

You call me a leech for staying at my father's house, but your children getting undergrad and graduate school paid for aren't leeches?

Amazing.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
    #19184711 - 11/24/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Get a job.




i get paid 10$/hr and worked 57 hrs this week

co-worker got into a motorcycle accident and i had to fill in for him

also i finished my college degree while working 50 hours per week in the summer to save up enough money to move out of state

must be nice to live in your own fantasy world where facts are secondary to biased opinions and trigger happy judgement calls


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19184746 - 11/24/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well now I don't have a job

maybe minimum wage is a bad idea:smoker:


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    #19184797 - 11/24/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Comparing a Ferrari to a book, nice.  I think the thread would of been fine if Zappa hadn't clicked on it.


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    #19184854 - 11/24/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

idk, i just feel like i should be able to buy a book without it costing more than a months worth of rent.

maybe i'm just accustomed to the internet where information is free and readily available, it makes me frustrated when i have to pay so much for some info to help me learn about stuff

just because its a "college text book" it makes it acceptable for it to be so ghastly expensive. well i say that's bullshit.

i want to learn damnit! not show off some stupid shiny sports car. i dont care about money, i just need it to cut through the ridiculousness of modern society. staying alive while pursuing my dreams. that's all anyone can ever ask for. not everyone has the privilege to do both, and some not even the privilege for either. and i just think that is not acceptable in this day and age where we have space rockets and digital communication and robots and shit.

and don't even get me started with "other people have it worse" bullcrap. BULLCRAP! just because the world is worse elsewhere does not make it excusable for things to continue being sub-par here. do not use the egotistical balancing act of "we're better cuz they're worse off". don't use that game as an excuse for the nonsensical nature of certain monetary systems in society. the mao zedong rule over china does not justify a book costing 800 dollars. ya dig?

chicken costs 2 dollars and 99 cents here per pound. that was an animal that was born and grown. it had a life. a shitty life. and then it was slaughtered and eaten. for 2 dollars and 99 cents per pound.

you know how much cannabis costs per pound here? for a plant? you could probably guess well over a grand. for a plant! some sticky green flowers.

nonsense! don't you see??!!


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    #19184863 - 11/24/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the reason the books is so expensive is because some yuppie took out loans or got money from their parents to go to a college so they could write that book and put it together


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    #19184879 - 11/24/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

william p banks, the author/editor of that book is dead now. he's not making any money out of it anymore


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    #19185309 - 11/25/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is the future, dude. Stop arguing about how Ferraris are expensive books. Books are free in the future.


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Damn straight.


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    #19185388 - 11/25/13 03:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Consciousness has long been a subject of interest in philosophy and religion but only relatively recently has it become subject to scientific investigation. Now, more than ever before, we are beginning to understand this mental state. Developmental psychologists understand when we first develop a sense of self; neuropsychologists see which parts of the brain activate when we think about ourselves and which parts of the brain control that awareness. Cognitive scientists have mapped the circuitry that allows machines to have some form of self awareness, and neuroscientists investigate similar circuitry in the human brain.

Research that once was separate inquiries in discreet disciplines is converging. List serves and small conferences focused on consciousness are proliferating. New journals have emerged in this field. A huge number of monographs and edited treatises have recently been published on consciousness, but there is no recognized entry point to the field, no comprehensive summary. This encyclopedia is that reference.

Organized alphabetically by topic, coverage encompasses a summary of major research and scientific thought regarding the nature of consciousness, the neural circuitry involved, how the brain, body, and world interact, and our understanding of subjective states. The work includes contributions covering neuroscience, psychology, philosophy, and artificial intelligence to provide a comprehensive backdrop to recent and ongoing investigations into the nature of conscious experience from a philosophical, psychological, and biological perspective.

Hardcover: 1400 pages
Publisher: Academic Press; 1 edition (April 27, 2009)
Language: English



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    #19185389 - 11/25/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The all mighty glory of the internet :cookiemonster:


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    #19185391 - 11/25/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck someone already beat me to the punch... by 2 hours :facepalm:


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the reason the books is so expensive is because some yuppie took out loans or got money from their parents to go to a college so they could write that book and put it together




Or, because it takes a lot of time and effort to write a textbook, and author can attempt to be compensated for that time.


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    #19185492 - 11/25/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's still an interesting fact though; the price of this book vs. its contents (and the related debate on the rising costs of text books prescribed to students by educational institutes.)

The book in question is unlikely to contain any information actually generated by the editors, so the books value is based primarily (solely) on the fact that it assembles a selection of information. I can imagine that the amount it took to assemble information in this manner, by grouping it per topic and indexing it in the form of an encyclopedia, is extremely labor-intensive. That could justify for the high cost if the book, particularly because it only serves a niche market (due to its specific topic, and not just due to its prohibitive pricing.)

Still, does the value (what one is willing to pay) approach the price (what is asked)? I'm sure, for many, it doesn't. Especially because it remains to be seen if this particular way of assembling information is still a viable one given today's technology. If you were looking for the state of the art of research on a specific topic, would it still make sense to look it up in a pre-assembled book? Doesn't it make more sense to spend 30 minutes browsing recent papers on google scholar, or web of science, or what-have-you? It seems to me that such an approach would yield a better price/quality ratio as you can get a lot more up-to-date information at lower transaction costs.

In a similar vein: what is the value of pre-assembled information? I think it's a pretty crucial question.


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It's still an interesting fact though; the price of this book vs. its contents (and the related debate on the rising costs of text books prescribed to students by educational institutes.)

The book in question is unlikely to contain any information actually generated by the editors, so the books value is based primarily (solely) on the fact that it assembles a selection of information. I can imagine that the amount it took to assemble information in this manner, by grouping it per topic and indexing it in the form of an encyclopedia, is extremely labor-intensive. That could justify for the high cost if the book, particularly because it only serves a niche market (due to its specific topic, and not just due to its prohibitive pricing.)

Still, does the value (what one is willing to pay) approach the price (what is asked)? I'm sure, for many, it doesn't. Especially because it remains to be seen if this particular way of assembling information is still a viable one given today's technology. If you were looking for the state of the art of research on a specific topic, would it still make sense to look it up in a pre-assembled book? Doesn't it make more sense to spend 30 minutes browsing recent papers on google scholar, or web of science, or what-have-you? It seems to me that such an approach would yield a better price/quality ratio as you can get a lot more up-to-date information at lower transaction costs.

In a similar vein: what is the value of pre-assembled information? I think it's a pretty crucial question.




It could have been a crucial question, but it isn't. The file linked above is a PDF. It is searchable.

This is the future.


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    #19185514 - 11/25/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's still a crucial question; It think you missed the point. The e-book version is just $7 less than the paper version, so you obviously pay for the contents, not the book. And I wasn't saying that the lack of a digital search in a paper book reduces its value; I was questioning the value of pre-assembled information (in paper or digital form) without any added new information if you can easily search millions or original sources using a search engine. Also, the fact that you can steal or 'borrow' information free of charge is not what I'm talking about.

So the question still stands, but thanks for offering your observation.


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    #19185517 - 11/25/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's still a crucial question; It think you missed the point. The e-book version is just $7 less than the paper version, so you obviously pay for the contents, not the book. And I wasn't saying that the lack of a digital search in a paper book reduces its value; I was questioning the value of pre-assembled information (in paper or digital form) without any added new information if you can easily search millions or original sources using a search engine. Also, the fact that you can steal or 'borrow' information free of charge is not what I'm talking about.

So the question still stands, but thanks for offering your observation.




What i was saying is that it doesn't matter whether the information is pre-assembled. Information is now a keystroke away, if there happens to be a structure provided, so much the better.


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    #19185519 - 11/25/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So what is the value of a book that only assembles information that is already available in original sources, without adding anything new?


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So what is the value of a book that only assembles information that is already available in original sources, without adding anything new?




Artistic merit? Making it reverse compatible with old people?


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    #19185528 - 11/25/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Backwards compatibility with backwards people :lol:


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Backwards compatibility with backwards people :lol:




Trying to tie this thread together? Compiling something useful from all the noise?


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    #19185533 - 11/25/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Recovering a sliver of gold from a huge pile of crap?


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    #19185608 - 11/25/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What i was saying is that it doesn't matter whether the information is pre-assembled. Information is now a keystroke away, if there happens to be a structure provided, so much the better.




This isn't true at all.  The fact that all the information is readily available is irrelevant.  It's tracking down the info, sorting it, and interpreting it that is the difficult part.

Nowadays, there's so much information, identifying the relevant stuff is more critical than ever.


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What i was saying is that it doesn't matter whether the information is pre-assembled. Information is now a keystroke away, if there happens to be a structure provided, so much the better.




This isn't true at all.  The fact that all the information is readily available is irrelevant.  It's tracking down the info, sorting it, and interpreting it that is the difficult part.

Nowadays, there's so much information, identifying the relevant stuff is more critical than ever.




Did you look at the book?


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    #19185634 - 11/25/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I looked at the table of contents and saw probably 20+ authors.  Assuming they are knowledgeable and/or experts in their respective fields, I'm sure their time is valuable.


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    #19185656 - 11/25/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is no justification for a book that expensive no matter how you try and twist it.


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I looked at the table of contents and saw probably 20+ authors.  Assuming they are knowledgeable and/or experts in their respective fields, I'm sure their time is valuable.




I don't care about the cost of the book. The book is a compilation of scientific articles related to consciousness. It's like someone did a google scholar search, chose the best articles and compiled them into a book.


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    #19185686 - 11/25/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

But is it? Or is there, as badchad suggested earlier, value in selecting, assembling, combining and indexing information? How much value exactly, compared to creating new information?


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What i was saying is that it doesn't matter whether the information is pre-assembled. Information is now a keystroke away, if there happens to be a structure provided, so much the better.




This isn't true at all.  The fact that all the information is readily available is irrelevant.  It's tracking down the info, sorting it, and interpreting it that is the difficult part.

Nowadays, there's so much information, identifying the relevant stuff is more critical than ever.



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    #19185829 - 11/25/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

uhh pirating is illegal guys


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    #19185969 - 11/25/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Everybody gets a chance.  Nosuystem will ever work for everyone.  Some people are useless pieces of shit.  If anything, America is pandering to far too many useless pieces of shit.  Some people are assholes.  That is a fact.  If anything, the pandering to assholes has created more assholes.




well, that is exactly how America is fucked up.

peeps like Envix don't get a chance because of those people. you can't just lump anyone who isn't having an easy time in America as being "one of those idiots". sometimes it's because of those idiots, that people have to struggle.

:shrug:




How did he not get a chance?  Since when is it the purview of a government to provide everything for everyone, Komrade?  How did that work out?




BLAME EVERYTHING ON RUSSIA DAMN VIETNAMESE BASTARDS RESPECT MA AUTHOROTEH I FOUGHT IN DAT WAR BWOI SO SMD YOU DIRTY COMMIES:oldman:

I like your post-style, always the same old shit.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Beanhead]
    #19186061 - 11/25/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If the E-book is that expensive though all it does is create a second hand market for the book and the e-book price never goes down.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #19186173 - 11/25/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

dont ILLEGALLY obtain this book through a DOWNLOAD from a torrent site, because this rips OFF the authors. its akin to a PIRATE taking goods off a merchant ship, and heading to the BAY to bury his plunder.


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dont ILLEGALLY obtain this book through a DOWNLOAD from a torrent site, because this rips OFF the authors. its akin to a PIRATE taking goods off a merchant ship, and heading to the BAY to bury his plunder.



:laugh2:
I'd never do something like that, it's illegal and immoral.

For those of you who already have paid $800 for a real copy, I did see an ebook version available on the pirate bay. I think it's legal to get a virtual copy if you already own the hard copy. Could be wrong on that, though. It would sure be a lot easier to read it on your laptop than to lug your 1400 page 2 volume set around :smile:.

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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19186227 - 11/25/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Didn't read the rest of this thread

http://thepiratebay.sx/search/Encyclopedia%20of%20Consciousness/0/99/0

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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: mylfgur]
    #19186233 - 11/25/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Last time I bought an expenisve book for fun, I figured it was too technical and now it collects dust.

"Color in hallucinations is a function of the drug and its dosage. Participants saw warm reds, oranges, and
yellows on LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline; somber blues on marijuana and uninspiring blacks, whites, and shades of
gray on amphetamine and sedatives.
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dont ILLEGALLY obtain this book through a DOWNLOAD from a torrent site, because this rips OFF the authors. its akin to a PIRATE taking goods off a merchant ship, and heading to the BAY to bury his plunder.



:laugh2:
I'd never do something like that, it's illegal and immoral.





shit my quote sucked, i read a similar one off some website like a few months ago and it was 10X better , but i couldnt find it so i tried to make my own


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    #19186455 - 11/25/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Must be nice to have mommy and daddy put you through college.

You call me a leech for staying at my father's house, but your children getting undergrad and graduate school paid for aren't leeches?

Amazing.




No, they aren't.  They are in school pursuing the riches they will need to support me in my dotage.

One is in law school at Boston Univ.  The other is at Penn pursuing a PhD in math and Chem E and the third is at the Parson's School of Design.  As far as I can tell you are just inhabiting your father's house.  No job, no school, no prospects.  At least the taxpayer, other than me, is not paying for my kids like you want them to do for you.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19186464 - 11/25/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Get a job.




i get paid 10$/hr and worked 57 hrs this week

co-worker got into a motorcycle accident and i had to fill in for him

also i finished my college degree while working 50 hours per week in the summer to save up enough money to move out of state

must be nice to live in your own fantasy world where facts are secondary to biased opinions and trigger happy judgement calls



Then pay for the book and stop whining.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19186497 - 11/25/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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idk, i just feel like i should be able to buy a book without it costing more than a months worth of rent.

maybe i'm just accustomed to the internet where information is free and readily available, it makes me frustrated when i have to pay so much for some info to help me learn about stuff

just because its a "college text book" it makes it acceptable for it to be so ghastly expensive. well i say that's bullshit.




The academy has been fucking people over for years with their book prices but that is irrelevant.
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i want to learn damnit! not show off some stupid shiny sports car.




I don't want to show it off.  I want to fucking drive that bad boy
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i dont care about money,




Then why are you whining about the cost of it?
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i just need it to cut through the ridiculousness of modern society.




I have managed to cut through the ridiculousness of modern society quite well without that book.
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staying alive while pursuing my dreams. that's all anyone can ever ask for.




Why do you think anybody should have a right to pursue their dreams at the expense of anybody else?
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not everyone has the privilege to do both, and some not even the privilege for either. and i just think that is not acceptable in this day and age where we have space rockets and digital communication and robots and shit.




All things that you failed to participate in creating and thus failed to earn any share of the profit
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and don't even get me started with "other people have it worse" bullcrap. BULLCRAP! just because the world is worse elsewhere does not make it excusable for things to continue being sub-par here.




Subpar?  You live in the wealthiest most luxurious society in the history of the world.  Subpar my ass.
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do not use the egotistical balancing act of "we're better cuz they're worse off". don't use that game as an excuse for the nonsensical nature of certain monetary systems in society. the mao zedong rule over china does not justify a book costing 800 dollars. ya dig?




The only justification needed for the book costing $800 is that the creators are charging it even if they don't sell a single copy.  You have no right to their creation.
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chicken costs 2 dollars and 99 cents here per pound. that was an animal that was born and grown. it had a life. a shitty life. and then it was slaughtered and eaten. for 2 dollars and 99 cents per pound.




So?
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you know how much cannabis costs per pound here? for a plant? you could probably guess well over a grand. for a plant! some sticky green flowers.

nonsense! don't you see??!!




If you don't like the cost of weed don't buy it.  I recommend that very highly in your case.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19186727 - 11/25/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Envix said:
idk, i just feel like i should be able to buy a book without it costing more than a months worth of rent.

maybe i'm just accustomed to the internet where information is free and readily available, it makes me frustrated when i have to pay so much for some info to help me learn about stuff

just because its a "college text book" it makes it acceptable for it to be so ghastly expensive. well i say that's bullshit.




The academy has been fucking people over for years with their book prices but that is irrelevant.




uhh, how is that irrelevant? that was the whole point of this thread. and then you came in here and derailed it. picking apart every little detail of semantics in everyone's posts and vehemently criticizing it. happy bday btw, zappa :birthday:


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19186745 - 11/25/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

$800? Is it a set of books or just one book. If it's just one book that's retarded. If it's a case of it being out of print and rARE then I guess it makes sense.

If not, it seems like the perfect way to have nobody read your work/book.


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    #19187382 - 11/25/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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idk, i just feel like i should be able to buy a book without it costing more than a months worth of rent.

maybe i'm just accustomed to the internet where information is free and readily available, it makes me frustrated when i have to pay so much for some info to help me learn about stuff

just because its a "college text book" it makes it acceptable for it to be so ghastly expensive. well i say that's bullshit.




The academy has been fucking people over for years with their book prices but that is irrelevant.




uhh, how is that irrelevant? that was the whole point of this thread. and then you came in here and derailed it. picking apart every little detail of semantics in everyone's posts and vehemently criticizing it. happy bday btw, zappa :birthday:



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    #19187636 - 11/25/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Must be nice to have mommy and daddy put you through college.

You call me a leech for staying at my father's house, but your children getting undergrad and graduate school paid for aren't leeches?

Amazing.




No, they aren't.  They are in school pursuing the riches they will need to support me in my dotage.

One is in law school at Boston Univ.  The other is at Penn pursuing a PhD in math and Chem E and the third is at the Parson's School of Design.  As far as I can tell you are just inhabiting your father's house.  No job, no school, no prospects.  At least the taxpayer, other than me, is not paying for my kids like you want them to do for you.




I don't want/need any taxpayer money, once again.  You always try to pull this shit, claiming I want taxpayer money.  I pay taxes, both Federal and State, as I have told you many times before.  But, really, it sure sounds like your children are leeching off of you. 

Must be easy to study for school when mommy and daddy can pay so you don't have to work.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19188996 - 11/25/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hey everybody, how about instead of arguing over trivial crap, why don't we put our noggins together to figure out ways to make education cheaper for our fellow children who are gifted a passion for learning (which is an extremely rare gem, this day and age).

most people pay loads of money to take a curriculum that gives them an "official certificate" with all their qualifications listed on it. then they spend 40 years of their life paying for that "privilege" to have learned and improved themselves, so that they may help improve society.

do you see the problem here? we have to pay money (earned by working menial corporate jobs usually) and waste time and energy (doing things we could just have robots do), in order to educate ourselves, in order to improve ourselves and the society we live in. most people don't have money, so they need to either "borrow money" or "take taxpayer money" in order to get an education, in order to have any chance at all at pursuing a career of any sort.

unless you are born into a rich family, this is the truth for the majority of people in america. wake up

this is how education in america should be: affordable education for ANYONE INTERESTED. completely government funded, teachers should be payed a shit load. especially highschool teachers. teenage youth and adolescence is the most critical and important time in human development for instilling an interest in pursuing an inquisitive lifestyle. a teacher with passion will produce students with passion much more consistently than a teacher with no passion, or passion that's been drained by a skimpy paycheck.

the majority of taxpayer money should go towards education (basically the military budget and the education budget should be flip-flopped. we have our priorities totally backwards). educating our youth and making education available for EVERYONE. everyone will contribute to education, and everyone will have the freedom to benefit. kinda like the internet, you can take a full semester of college or online college for like 40-100 bucks a month (depending on the curriculum). this would cover the teacher's expenses, and the teacher should be the only one profiting from the students anyway; not the "school system". cool idea, right?

so, the "tax-money" would go towards the campuses & online curriculum, and that faction would be completely charity-funded/"funded by the people". the people who actually wish to benefit from this educational system would pay a monthly fee to take a semester, and everything else from there on would be pretty much the same. the monthly fee would go to pay the teacher for their service of providing the curriculum, information, and study methods needed to pass.

and you can spend as much time as you want taking the semester. you can finish it in one month, or you can finish it in 8 months. you would just have to pay by the month, and however long it took you to complete it. this will make it incentive-based so students will push themselves to complete semesters at a consistent pace, as they will be charged by the month.

this is just one idea from one person. we can all generate ideas of our own, and this is the only way things will change


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19189190 - 11/25/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What did you goto school for again? Want to make it cheaper stop funding crap degree programs where when you get out you work retail. And have a mountain of debt to where you have to rely on public services.

  Besides easy credit unions and private for profit colleges are also a big part of the problem.

We have a generation who thinks its the next Lou reed , the next hunter s Thomas  the next Obama.

And when you don't get it you want the state to proved.

Where is your sense of pride sense of responsablity?


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: trekie]
    #19189268 - 11/25/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

my personal responsibility is in seeking and pursuing an education which should be openly available, and not restricted behind corridors of debt and slavery.

my responsibility for society is in educating myself, so that i may help contribute to improving society in a way that isn't working menial tasks that robots can do.

i am a human. i am meant to do human things, like learn, share, create. and express. this is what all humans are driven to do, these are fundamental human qualities that have been present in us for 40 thousand years. without them we are nothing more than machines, preforming meaningless tasks to do meaningless jobs.

so, we got ourselves in a situation where we've turned ourselves into machines. robots to uphold the system through regulation of habits and monetary constructs, strung together in place through the duty of people who get paid a pittance for preforming repetitious tasks like cogwheels in a clock.

these are jobs that CAN be and ARE being done by robots, so why do we still have people doing them? are there really people out there who are really capable of nothing more than a life of screwing bottle caps on bottles, or sweeping up floors? are people really born genetically predisposed to these shitty lifestyles? or do we create them with all the wacked-out systems we birth these poor souls into?


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    #19189275 - 11/25/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good outlook on life Envix.  Glad you're smart enough/not retarded to come up with such a beautiful answer.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19189326 - 11/25/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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hey everybody, how about instead of arguing over trivial crap, why don't we put our noggins together to figure out ways to make education cheaper for our fellow children who are gifted a passion for learning (which is an extremely rare gem, this day and age).

most people pay loads of money to take a curriculum that gives them an "official certificate" with all their qualifications listed on it. then they spend 40 years of their life paying for that "privilege" to have learned and improved themselves, so that they may help improve society.

do you see the problem here? we have to pay money (earned by working menial corporate jobs usually) and waste time and energy (doing things we could just have robots do), in order to educate ourselves, in order to improve ourselves and the society we live in. most people don't have money, so they need to either "borrow money" or "take taxpayer money" in order to get an education, in order to have any chance at all at pursuing a career of any sort.

unless you are born into a rich family, this is the truth for the majority of people in america. wake up

this is how education in america should be: affordable education for ANYONE INTERESTED. completely government funded, teachers should be payed a shit load. especially highschool teachers. teenage youth and adolescence is the most critical and important time in human development for instilling an interest in pursuing an inquisitive lifestyle. a teacher with passion will produce students with passion much more consistently than a teacher with no passion, or passion that's been drained by a skimpy paycheck.

the majority of taxpayer money should go towards education (basically the military budget and the education budget should be flip-flopped. we have our priorities totally backwards). educating our youth and making education available for EVERYONE. everyone will contribute to education, and everyone will have the freedom to benefit. kinda like the internet, you can take a full semester of college or online college for like 40-100 bucks a month (depending on the curriculum). this would cover the teacher's expenses, and the teacher should be the only one profiting from the students anyway; not the "school system". cool idea, right?

so, the "tax-money" would go towards the campuses & online curriculum, and that faction would be completely charity-funded/"funded by the people". the people who actually wish to benefit from this educational system would pay a monthly fee to take a semester, and everything else from there on would be pretty much the same. the monthly fee would go to pay the teacher for their service of providing the curriculum, information, and study methods needed to pass.

and you can spend as much time as you want taking the semester. you can finish it in one month, or you can finish it in 8 months. you would just have to pay by the month, and however long it took you to complete it. this will make it incentive-based so students will push themselves to complete semesters at a consistent pace, as they will be charged by the month.

this is just one idea from one person. we can all generate ideas of our own, and this is the only way things will change






We already have too many educated people, we don't need anymore. There are only so many employment opportunities in a economy for highly educated people, graduating more educated people does not create economic prosperity.


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    #19189334 - 11/25/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

qman, do you realize how ridiculous your statement is when you say "we don't need any more educated people?"


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    #19189345 - 11/25/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

we don't need any more educated people? we have too many already? where the hell am i, is this the fucking dark ages?


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    #19189358 - 11/25/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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We already have too many educated people, we don't need anymore. There are only so many employment opportunities in a economy for highly educated people, graduating more educated people does not create economic prosperity.




In our current system of monopolized, well, everything, that education is not normally put towards good use and its potential rarely recognized. This, as well as forcing people into menial or government-mandated pro-forma regulatory positions really puts a vice-grip on creativity and small innovative business.


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qman, do you realize how ridiculous your statement is when you say "we don't need any more educated people?"




Why?  If the economic opportunities do not support a overly educated workforce, why should everyone pursue higher education?


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    #19189366 - 11/25/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just because you have a college education doesn't mean anything, q, if the economic opportunity isn't there for you, as a graduate, your critical thinking skills will allow you to find a decent paying job for the most part.


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    #19189374 - 11/25/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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we don't need any more educated people? we have too many already? where the hell am i, is this the fucking dark ages?




We graduate 50% more law students every year than is needed, having more lawyers does not create more legal activity in the economy, that is a waste of money.


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    #19189395 - 11/25/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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we don't need any more educated people? we have too many already? where the hell am i, is this the fucking dark ages?




We graduate 50% more law students every year than is needed, having more lawyers does not create more legal activity in the economy, that is a waste of money.



That's exactly the point about the pro forma regulatory nonsense jobs I mentioned that are mandatory but irrelevant.

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Just because you have a college education doesn't mean anything, q, if the economic opportunity isn't there for you, as a graduate, your critical thinking skills will allow you to find a decent paying job for the most part.




"critical thinking skills" 

Exactly, which will help you when they TRAIN you for your position.

How did "uneducated" people in the 50's-80's do so well in the workforce?  They were trained for the position after they got hired, no formal education was needed.


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    #19189405 - 11/25/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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qman, do you realize how ridiculous your statement is when you say "we don't need any more educated people?"




Why?  If the economic opportunities do not support a overly educated workforce, why should everyone pursue higher education?



you have it completely backwards. the question you're actually looking for is:

why should we, and why WOULD WE continue supporting a system which does not recognize the importance of a higher education? and one which does not support the pursuit of a higher education in the major workforce?

here's how you get people motivated to do stuff. NOT by cutting taxes, NOT by making more meaningless jobs. you do it by giving people an opportunity to pursue the things they have most passion about. people are driven to create naturally, the incentive will come when the opportunity is presented. that is, if they have the time, will and energy for it.

how are we supposed to work together to improve the world, if all our time is spent alone in cubicles, or focusing on our menial jobs to support our lifestyles of self-saturation, material collection, and putting up walls to separate ourselves from the rest of the world. we ignore all personal responsibility to help improve the world, and put it all on everyone else.

we focus on one thing and one thing only, supporting me. making money for me. collecting things for me. pursuing an education for me. ME ME ME ME ME. hey, how about we start doing things for everyone, and not just for ourselves? maybe we can help improve things for everyone if we put some more focus into the benefit of everyone involved here, and not just ourselves and those who think similarly to us


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19189579 - 11/25/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it's already been proven that creativity in the workplace creates better and more innovative products and business; and thusly creates more money and jobs.

but society is so backasswards that, WE LITERALLY DO NOT CARE, in favor of being stupid and feeling fine with that.

frankly, i'm proud that i have not produced a single CENT for this world. because this world deserves to burn, with how ignorant and stupid people are; and i'd be glad not to contribute to it.


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    #19189587 - 11/25/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Probably most people that work all the time don't give a flying fuck about the future they just want something to distract them from their horrible horrible lives.


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    #19189789 - 11/25/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL yep^


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    #19189805 - 11/25/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LOL yep^




So profound, I'm guessing you have a Ph.D in something?


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    #19189867 - 11/25/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

all my profundity is going towards my Marijuana Shill Thread. you should check it out.


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    #19189869 - 11/25/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LOL yep^




So profound, I'm guessing you have a Ph.D in something?



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    #19189873 - 11/26/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

are you ever NOT up someone's ass?


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    #19189904 - 11/26/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:elmo: got to love trolls


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    #19189928 - 11/26/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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it's already been proven that creativity in the workplace creates better and more innovative products and business; and thusly creates more money and jobs.

but society is so backasswards that, WE LITERALLY DO NOT CARE, in favor of being stupid and feeling fine with that.

frankly, i'm proud that i have not produced a single CENT for this world. because this world deserves to burn, with how ignorant and stupid people are; and i'd be glad not to contribute to it.



-says society is backaswards for not caring
-says he doesn't care and will continue not contributing to improving society


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19189960 - 11/26/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

why fight a losing fight? :shrug:

this isn't captivity... this is ACCEPTANCE of a bad situation.

i am opting for resigned non-acceptance.  :resignednonacceptance:

unless you can somehow explain to me how i, as one person, can help convince people that their lives are inherently meaningless, and that to better themselves, they have to stop striving for their individual purposes outside of oneness and work for one another as a capable and literally pre-determined body of resonance which can live in sustenance and peace, as long as we can dig the marrow from the Earth.

PS: i didn't say people were backwards for not caring, i said they were backwards HENCE their non-caring.

when i said people were backwards, i was talking about the fact that creativity in the workplace (and otherwise) allows for a better outlook both on life, and wealth and availability of jobs for the working man; and how people don't work towards that or care to.

see i just devote myself to art, for society, because you can create your own meaning out of art, and in this meaningless world which people abstain from pleasure to attain "a meaning or purpose in life", MY work towards this is only for myself, and if anyone else likes it, they can have it. for that gives me MY purpose, in purposelessness.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19190007 - 11/26/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

check this out. i have a job that allows me to wear headphones at work. it's great, i can listen to whatever i want. podcasts, startalk radio, terence mckenna, ram dass, and the entire time, i'm doing tasks. they're not meaningless, because they each serve a function and a purpose. but to me and my personal growth and development as a spiritual being, the task seems meaningless in that context. however, in my head i am listening to things which ARE conducive to my creativity, and ARE contributing to my growth and expansion as a spiritual being. i learn something new every day because of this. i consider myself extremely lucky and privileged and GRATEFUL (i work for a company called "grateful bread", lolz) to be allowed to wear headphones while working. this is a badass company i happened to find, a rare gem i found through craigslist and guess what YOU CAN TOO. it's a matter of not settling for less than what you prefer.

get out there, discover the world, and find a way of living that IS conducive to YOUR personal growth, and only then will you be able to contribute anything meaningful to society, or to yourself even.

and you obviously have done this. you are immersing yourself in your passion, which is art. and you are contributing your talent and skill to society, through creative expression. the pursuit of art in human society is just as important as the pursuit of science. they go hand-in-hand as the driving forces of modern development.

but it won't do much good to be a pessimistic ninny, moping about how the world can't be a certain way because of how f'd up errthang is. change won't come until personal change happens in EVERYBODY

WE create the world, there are no invisible forces controlling the systems. they are as imaginary as whatever it is that makes these words come out. it is within all of us, and changing it is as easy as changing a definition or an idea. we give meaning to things by how we define them. and if you chose to define the world as meaningless, then you will perceive the world as meaningless. it is as simple as that. we create the meaning and guess what? the universe created us. the universe was originally meaningless but through billions of years of evolution, humans gave rise to a fantastical world of meaning and mental structures beyond your wildest dreams. this created all you now see in the world. may that still be meaningless? perhaps. but our ability to experience unconditional love, and return to unity after feeling separation, these are experiences unique to humans. and we give meaning to those profound experiences in our OWN ways.

the world is yours. DEAL WIT IT  :bobmarley:


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smack a hoe out this dimension
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-bhad bhabie

rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b


Edited by Envix (11/26/13 12:47 AM)


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19190014 - 11/26/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
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akira_akuma said:
:elmo: got to love trolls



Hug a troll day fo real should be a holiday




:hug:  for you.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: Envix]
    #19190015 - 11/26/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'm working on it everyday. i find meaning in things that i do, but it's not towards an end goal that'll satisfy anyone but myself, because that's what earns you a spot on the lawn.

which leads to the problems of the world, to begin with.

PS: Grateful Breads LOL, i've heard of them before; from here maybe? from you?

i swear i heard of them... weird.


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Re: expensive as hell book [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19191062 - 11/26/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Did op notice the copy for $177?


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