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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: MindDrips]
    #19182664 - 11/24/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Our collective has been a member of Project CBDlink here and have been primarily breeding >1% THC strains in our garden. Most notably Harlequin Tsunami and Cannatonic which are generally 11-25% total CBD/N. I can't even begin to tell you how many patients we've saved from the brink of death with this stuff. We currently supply 6 children in Ventura county with these CBD extracts to treat their GM seizures. This stuff is really saving lives people.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: funkerdslr]
    #19182729 - 11/24/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What exactly do you mean by your collective? Like a dispensary or something?

Have you tried those CBD strains yourself? Do you notice a significant difference in the quality of the psychoactive effect?


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19182779 - 11/24/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The best part of waking up is chronic in your cup!


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19182781 - 11/24/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The quality of the psychoactive effect is much less, but it still gets you high. I don't like the mostly thc dominant strains either. There is a happy medium. My brother gets cbd for his seizures and it works quite well, so I defiantly don't buy strains like harlequin to get high anymore...


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19182834 - 11/24/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I mostly agree with the OP, there's some unecessary adjectives around the logic but I mostly agree with the core point which I think is what I have observed too:
Weed gives you delusions, delusions that you can work better, delusions of granduer, delusions to prop you up like a crutch instead of dealing with problems. Laziness and lethargy- which can be enjoyable to some but not for chaps like me.
This is too often the case with many drugs, however mushrooms for me are very different, giving both the above effects and greater perspective (ego death) from loss of pre-conceptions and psychological barriers due to decreased brain function.
Also I just like the general effects of mushrooms better:crazy2:
I won't get into the science here because google it, or duck duck go it, or whatever, I'm no expert, get your info from an expert :tongue2:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19182919 - 11/24/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The THC to CBD ratio in modern cannabis is all fucked up. Talking about it as if it is the same thing that has existed for decades is like extolling the virtues of a vegetable-rich diet, and then, suddenly in your discourse, interchanging it with "vegetable-scarce diet". The effect of the plant smoked today is completely different than what was smoked 30-40 years ago. Plants have been genetically bred for high THC content while CBD has been largely ignored. To see the difference in effect that CBD makes, watch the last 8 minutes of this video:





Good info, I watched the part you advised. It explains a lot. I think I enjoyed the schwag I smoked as a kid much more than the dank stuff I get today for the reason of CBD to THC. For years I convinced myself I just wasen't getting as high from the schwag, but I know I did and I smoked a ton more to get that high and it was a lot more fun and not edgy and paranoid at all. The stuff that I can get now that takes a hit or two just has a crappy high compared to the good old schwag because there's no cbd in the mix. I feel enlightened now that I understand.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19183068 - 11/24/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

holy shit, someone was fucking bored when they made this thread.

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Stoners don't have any wisdom to give out. It's stupid stuff like this that rubs me the wrong way. You're just getting high, and that's it. That's all you're doing. You're not becoming one with the universe. If you think you are, you've smoked too much. The best thing about marijuana legalization will be that no one will care about weed anymore. I look forward to that day. If you like getting high, that's fine, just remember that no one cares.



oy :facepalm: you're nitpicking, because you don't get the same effect as some people do. not everyone gets effected the same way from a drug. weed helps me with depression and i don't use it all the time, because i don't have it all the time... i take a break every week or so... but when i have it i smoke it alot, because i makes me feel like it gives this meaningless life more meaning then a simple run outside or trying to be "productive". alot of my internal productiveness comes out of being high, alot of understanding and wisdom. without weed, i'd just be doing a whole lot, without thinking about it. :shrug: people have different uses for weed; and just because you feel like all you do is "get high and roll around in your own sputum" doesn't mean that's what it does for everyone. you need to get off your high horse; because you're completely misunderstanding the point of why people use drugs in the first place. there is a certain set of effects from certain drugs, weed however is just a subtle psychedelic and pain reliever. it's not even that harmful... in fact, the notion that weed is harmful, is only for those who smoke it and can't function... if that's you, then don't smoke it. it's not good FOR YOU... and hate all you want, too, but don't hate on people for their personal choices.

you think that because weed is "so easy" that it's "useless"; you're just missing the usefulness of it's simplicity. if you wanna just stick to Mushies and set time for yourself to use, and then you get back to your ordinary life, that's all you, bro.
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I think marijuana is one of the most dangerous drugs not because of health risks but because many people believe that it is benign. Like anything in excess it can have bad consequences, it helped me through one of the worst periods of my life but I was caught in the grips of addiction and only recently managed to break free. To anyone who denies marijuana is addictive you are blind. I know allot of people who have been dependant on marijuana and I have personally experienced cravings and withdrawals. That being said, in moderation there are no serious health risks unless you have a predisposition.



ahhh, how is this retarded rhetoric spreading? oh yeah, stupidity. it's the most harmful drug because people think it's benign? ahaha, no one thinks that. stop. please, get some sense people.

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I agree, husmmoor, it is extremely powerful. I can honestly say I have never felt more lost or disoriented on ANY drug than marijuana. On DMT or mushrooms, I sit back and enjoy tripping my ass off. On a high dose of pot, I get stuck in thought loops, get extremely paranoid, hallucinate, and feel completely powerless.



way to smoke too much. why don't you try just sticking a small bowl in a pipe and just leave it at a hit or so.

smoking too much is like doing too much shrooms without expecting to be blow you out into the universe. set your limits.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19183139 - 11/24/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Marijuana alters consciousness is a significant way, but maybe you're just too high all the time to realize it




WTF? that's the point, to alter your consciousness? is this dude serious? ahhh, i can't imagine what this guys problem is. what's with the ad nauseam attacks? do you realize how YOU'RE acting?

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Weed really fucks up people's enthusiasm in doing things. My friends and I would have started a band by now and been making more music or painting or sculpting or whatever. Just more art in general. So much time has been wasted in my life due to it.




that sucks bro. it did the same thing to my friends... my best friend constantly acknowledges this, and he's stopped smoking weed as often because of this. he only smokes on occasion now. which fixes his lack of enthusiasm; which to clarify, actually came from OUR OTHER friends lack of enthusiasm. since he stopped smoking weed so much, he's been hanging out less with the people who do, hence, he feels alot better about using it on the odd occasion.

me however, feel more enthusiastic even more then usual to make music, i never get high and get lazy. ever. i get high and i bounce off the walls with excitement... otherwise, when i am not high, i am much more level headed; but also alot less happy and more set in stone.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19183157 - 11/24/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.




i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. :lol: seriously. i need convincing.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19183250 - 11/24/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yea... If you don't like then don't smoke. Simple enough for you, bud?




And I don't. That's not simple enough, though. I know I'm not alone on this. I know it. As someone who is very observant about human behavior, I see the hypocrisy that's inherent the a lot of people's use of marijuana. It's there, whether or not you see it. Surely it doesn't go unnoticed by more people. Posting in this community is definitely barking up the wrong tree, but that's partly why I'm doing it: to get people's attention. If it's been a month since you last used marijuana and you feel like it would really do you some good, then you have a healthy, balanced relationship with it. But who uses it that judiciously? Anyone?



you experience alot of inner city/suburbian kiddies being stupid and you base your whole world view on that; not to mention your views on pot; which is pretty funny. your experience dictates your reality... not everyone elses. plus, there alot of kids your age, who are dumb. feel good that you are smarter then them, but you saying all weed smokers are lying about how they feel and how it effects them in their lives, is just ludicrous. you can't possibly know any of that. man. it's been fun reading this thread, and seeing how you can be discredited in just about everything you've said here. but i gotta run. i don't have the willpower to sit through another post of yours in this thread; although hysterical it might be; you are railing against idiots, not stoners. or stoner idiots, if you'd prefer.

which has less to do with how weed effects people, and more to do with your peers and wherever the hell you live, and who YOU hang around. lot of idiots out there; i'd recommend you stay away from them, if you don't wanna become a cynical jerk spreading rhetoric about your experience dictating the reality of everyone else's life on this planet. :shrug: you'd make a good politician. you should run someday, you could make some good money.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19183376 - 11/24/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.




i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. :lol: seriously. i need convincing.




For one, you tend to be overly emotionally invested in the reputation of cannabis.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19183425 - 11/24/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19183449 - 11/24/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

not the reputation. the use of it.

people can use it, and function normally. people who can't function normally on it, shouldn't use it for that reason, solely. not because they feel it makes people "act differently and/or stupidly"; but just because they don't get anything useful out of it. you can not smoke it, or you can smoke it; either way, what you DO doesn't actually get effected by the reputation of it... it either doesn't change how you're doing whatever, and you're simply doing whatever but you're doing but "high"... or it does, and in that case it's not because of any "reputation" it has, but only what effects it has on you, personally. if it changes your personality, then you're missing the point of using it. because weed can hardly change anything in you, really... it might make your thinking foggy or undisciplined, but that's because of the effect it has on YOU. i'd reason that it's because you really are thinking that way, usually, and if you're sober you can adjust how much effort you put into adjusting your thinking. you can also do that high, it's just more difficult for YOU, because you already have this "issue" originally.

if that wasn't what YOU did, originally, then you could do what you do, just the same ON Cannabis. other then the obvious physical effects, nothing in your mental acquisition and aptitude changes while high,... you could be tired, but that's probably because you're tired OR it could be because you're pie eyed, and you smoked too much for your own personal endeavors. it's not like there is any force and prevalence of effects that forces you to be lazy, tired, sick, sore... Cannabis exemplifies these "issues" because they are already there, and are making them more obvious.

it works outwardly too, so when you see people acting "different" it's because that's how they would truly act or be.

if you ARE FUCKED if you smoke weed, then you shouldn't use it, because it's not good for YOU. it's not because Cannabis MADE you that way, it's because you are choosing to be that way; and Cannabis makes that a lot easier for you to do.

EDIT: you can use Cannabis based on what the reputation YOU think it has, but you'd be investing in a reputation that YOU GAVE IT. not one that it has, solely by it's own regard... because Cannabis does alot of different thinks for different people. the only actual physical effects it has on people is 1: hunger 2: pain relief 3: and red puffy eyes; and if you're smoking it 4: coughing.

PS: my emotional investment in anything, is none of your concern, unless i am personally effecting your wellbeing.

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i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. :lol: seriously. i need convincing.



try again^ what are we missing, exactly, that other people have but Cannabis users don't.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19183489 - 11/24/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just start to get annoyed with marijuana when my tolerance gets so high so easily. That's what pisses me off the most.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19183553 - 11/24/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What exactly do you mean by your collective? Like a dispensary or something?

Have you tried those CBD strains yourself? Do you notice a significant difference in the quality of the psychoactive effect?




I run the extraction branch of a collective in california. For the past year or so we've been heavily experimenting with breeding and extracting high CBD plants/medicine. Also, we've been experimenting with the oral bioactivity of CBD vs CBDA vs CBN. Our findings suggest that having the carboxylic acid group attached causes the CBD to act as a strong antiproliferative and antiinflamitory. CBDA is only active orally, since heating it causes the CooH to release causing it to degrade to CBD.  This is good if you want to treat seizure syndromes like dravets syndrome, which is only controlled by CBD and not CBDA.
Its true that CBD/A isn't psychoactive to the extent THC is, but if you take a dab of 70% CBD BHO, you'll feel very relaxed. I can attribute it to feeling like taking half a xanax.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19183566 - 11/24/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How does this conversation affect your personal use of cannabis? Seems to me you came here to defend its reputation. You are putting it on a massive pedestal, implying it only brings out one's true qualities, and directly stating that nothing in your mental aptitude changes while high. That just isn't true. Look at how people perform on driving tests or short term memory tests when stoned. Obviously there are some hindrances to your abilities. And that's fine, I don't care if people get fucked up once in a while. But I don't think it's anything to praise either.

Look, this conversation has been pretty casual. We could just as well be talking about how we hate asparagus and how it makes your pee smell bad. Who cares.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19183570 - 11/24/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.




i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. :lol: seriously. i need convincing.




For one, you tend to be overly emotionally invested in the reputation of cannabis.




for one

the reputation of cannabis causes otherwise innocent human beings to be locked in cages, have their children taken from them, their property forfeited.

the fact that people arent emotional about this is really sad :frown:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: funkerdslr]
    #19183574 - 11/24/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What exactly do you mean by your collective? Like a dispensary or something?

Have you tried those CBD strains yourself? Do you notice a significant difference in the quality of the psychoactive effect?




I run the extraction branch of a collective in california. For the past year or so we've been heavily experimenting with breeding and extracting high CBD plants/medicine. Also, we've been experimenting with the oral bioactivity of CBD vs CBDA vs CBN. Our findings suggest that having the carboxylic acid group attached causes the CBD to act as a strong antiproliferative and antiinflamitory. CBDA is only active orally, since heating it causes the CooH to release causing it to degrade to CBD.  This is good if you want to treat seasure syndromes like dravets syndrome, which is only controlled by CBD and not CBDA.
Its true that CBD/A isn't psychoactive to the extent THC is, but if you take a dab of 70% CBD BHO, you'll feel very relaxed. I can attribute it to feeling like taking half a xanax.




That sounds like a pretty cool job. Really interesting.


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    #19183580 - 11/24/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:singletear:  :gotchronic:  :canthelpbutlaugh:  :ohgodpleaseno:  :cannotunsee:  :whatwhatwhat:


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    #19183589 - 11/24/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.




i would love to have one of you guys explain what it is us Cannabis users are missing. :lol: seriously. i need convincing.




For one, you tend to be overly emotionally invested in the reputation of cannabis.




for one

the reputation of cannabis causes otherwise innocent human beings to be locked in cages, have their children taken from them, their property forfeited.

the fact that people arent emotional about this is really sad :frown:




Well, that's somewhat true. But not totally, as most Americans favor legalization of cannabis, yet it remains illegal. I don't think the average person really has such a warped view of what it does. I don't think it helps anything to launch into a 3 page diatribe towards someone who says they don't like something about pot.


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