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OfflineMush4Brains
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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Rose]
    #19177088 - 11/23/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't care that I was banned.  I knew when making the post that I would receive a ban.  The fact that he claims that the original ban on his right-wing buddy "didn't go through the first time" is full on bullshit.  The problem is, you've got other users using known pejoratives with obvious impunity.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19177091 - 11/23/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have any evidence that it was "full on bullshit?"  Or is that just a hunch?


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Enlil]
    #19177099 - 11/23/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It is technically just a hunch, but I firmly believe that if he wouldn't have been called on his bullshit it would not have been corrected.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19177134 - 11/23/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Frankly, I wouldn't trust such hunches yet.  You've been here a very short time and have not really had enough experience with Phred to make that kind of judgment.  You're, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I assure you that you're almost certainly wrong on this one.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Enlil]
    #19177158 - 11/23/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Believe what you want.  I'll believe what I want based on my experience.  None of this gets to the point that the moderators of political discussion are politically biased and let "veterans" (who happen to align with the moderator's political beliefs) of the forums say things that other people aren't allowed to say.  I'm not asking for Phred and Pris to be removed as moderators, but appoint one or two more moderators to keep the balance in order.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Rose]
    #19177904 - 11/23/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
It doesn't matter if a Mod is biased. If you flame, you are asking for a ban.

It doesn't matter if somebody else flames as well. If you flame, you are asking for a ban.

It doesn't matter if only two out of three flamers were banned. If you flame, you are asking for a ban.




Buncha flamers be flaming.

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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: johnm214]
    #19178060 - 11/23/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
I agree the moderation staff is biased towards a particular direction, but so what?  Moderators are people too, and if they couldn't express their personal opinions or had to appear neutral, they probably wouldn't visit the forums they're supposed to moderate.

My opinion is that unless the moderator's personal views are interfering with their official duties, there is not problem.  In the political forum, I personally think Phred (and Pris) are very fair.  I've disagreed with Phred on a number of things quite strongly even before I was a moderator and there was never any hint of retaliation.




The problem may not be one of retaliation but rather letting those with the same ideology get away with rule violations. I don't think Pris does this however but I certainly suspect Phred of it.  :shrug: 

However it's really difficult to say ultimately.  I think it would be better that warnings and bans be announced in the forum as well as in PM like Diploid does.  Then things are very transparent.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #19179032 - 11/23/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Phred has banned me numerous times.  The little lady's whine is bullshit, pure and simple.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19179424 - 11/23/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't know. :shrug:


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Icelander]
    #19179919 - 11/23/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you didn't know why did you open your piehole?  Having an opinion without information. Hmm.  That's how we got Obama.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19179949 - 11/23/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When I moderated the forum with him, Phred was always an equal opportunity banner. He does have specific ideas as to what does and does not constitute a flame. More specific than many other mods. So, people who play by his rules can say some pretty fucking rude things as long as they phrase them properly. This does give an advantage to Veterans and more mature members of this website, and it is well known that people tend to sway towards conservatism as they grow older (not everybody but a noticeable amount). The Vets of the forum are really good with their words and can easily provoke a novice into saying, "No, fuck you, asshole!"

It is very much like the PSP forum but PSP states in the rules that it gives leeway to its Veteran members, and in the Politics forum you just have to learn how to work within and around Phred's interpretation of the rules. I have always found him easy to approach via PM if you are respectful.
As I have said, Politics is a debate forum and the Staff would prefer to have more than one side voicing their opinions in there. It may not seem like it but there are fewer conservatives in there than liberals, they make up for it by talking louder and taking firmer stances.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19180086 - 11/23/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you didn't know why did you open your piehole?  Having an opinion without information. Hmm.  That's how we got Obama.



Because this isn't about you and how many times you've been banned or not. :braindamage::imspecial:
. Jump to unwarranted conclusions much? :monkeydance:

What I do know is the times he hasn't seemed to respond to my flagging flamers.  I gave it up a long time ago for the most part.


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Edited by Icelander (11/23/13 06:58 PM)


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Rose]
    #19180106 - 11/23/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
When I moderated the forum with him, Phred was always an equal opportunity banner. He does have specific ideas as to what does and does not constitute a flame. More specific than many other mods. So, people who play by his rules can say some pretty fucking rude things as long as they phrase them properly. This does give an advantage to Veterans and more mature members of this website, and it is well known that people tend to sway towards conservatism as they grow older (not everybody but a noticeable amount). The Vets of the forum are really good with their words and can easily provoke a novice into saying, "No, fuck you, asshole!"

It is very much like the PSP forum but PSP states in the rules that it gives leeway to its Veteran members, and in the Politics forum you just have to learn how to work within and around Phred's interpretation of the rules. I have always found him easy to approach via PM if you are respectful.
As I have said, Politics is a debate forum and the Staff would prefer to have more than one side voicing their opinions in there. It may not seem like it but there are fewer conservatives in there than liberals, they make up for it by talking louder and taking firmer stances.





Well this isn't my beef.  I just responded based on some  experiences  several years ago. 

I never thought there was a lot of conservatives in the forum.  I'm fairly conservative myself actually.  Fiscally that is. 


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Icelander]
    #19180399 - 11/23/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Where's the beef?


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Rose]
    #19180521 - 11/23/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In the OP.:wink:


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Icelander]
    #19182288 - 11/24/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
If you didn't know why did you open your piehole?  Having an opinion without information. Hmm.  That's how we got Obama.



Because this isn't about you and how many times you've been banned or not. :braindamage::imspecial:
. Jump to unwarranted conclusions much? :monkeydance:




The fuck it wasn't about me.  Me and luvdemshrooms.
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What I do know is the times he hasn't seemed to respond to my flagging flamers.  I gave it up a long time ago for the most part.




I don't know how many times you have expressed your flaming opinion about what constitutes flaming to a mod but I suspect it has a different criteria in Politics than in Philosophy
You made an allegation that Phred favored those of similar ideology without information that would be essential to making that judgment.  I provided evidence that that is false.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19182805 - 11/24/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No sorry  :imspecial:, I was actually  thinking of the guy who just got banned for  a year ( Luddite)  :lol:  Although he's not the only one.  And personally I don't remember seeing luvdemshrooms using personalisms or flaming anyone ever outside of forum guidelines.  He's good at what he does. :wink:

And you provided no actual evidence imo. Your word? How would I know if you are telling the truth? (which is what I stated btw)
And for all I know for every ban or warning you got you deserved 20 for actual infractions.

After eight years here of playing this game I know when someone is actually breaking the forum rules and guildlines and I never flagged a post where it wouldn't have been blatantly obvious. 

I never accused Phred of anything. I believe I said I suspected that he might have a bias due to my experience. As I also said it's really impossible to know  for sure.

:haha:


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Edited by Icelander (11/24/13 02:10 PM)


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Icelander] * 3
    #19182827 - 11/24/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can confirm Phred has banned Zappa more times than any other Shroomery Mod.


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Rose]
    #19182844 - 11/24/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That still doesn't say much  without some kind of transparency by mods. Not to mention Zap does most of his posting in the Political forum. It would make sense that Phred would ban him the most by far. :tongue:  Diploid is the only one who makes a practice of that transparency that I'm aware of.

I've seen Zap, imo, get a free ride more than once.  But again I don't usually flag his posts and don't know if he's getting warnings.  As I said I don't really flag posts there anymore unless someone is flaming me personally.  It's a waste of time imo. But like I said it's almost impossible to know what's really going on. Kind of like in the Govt.:lol:


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Re: New moderator needed for Political Discussion. [Re: Icelander]
    #19182873 - 11/24/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can not Moderate for other Mods.

I am a huge fan of transparency and I gladly discuss the reasons for my actions in private and public when asked. I am not allowed to speak for other Staffers. We have set rules, just like everybody else.

I can't speak for Phred. I am not allowed. I can only provide my observations of his public actions. I am not lying though.


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