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Sour grain jar
    #19182809 - 11/24/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so i had this fully colonized wbs jar that had a sour smell to it, i shook it to see how it recovered, well it recovered fine no green no nothing and now the sour smell is gone and it smells mushroomy.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19182840 - 11/24/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My jars always have a differing smell before and after shaking them.
If it looks healthy, smells good, why not give it a shot?

How colonized is it?


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: krikkrew]
    #19182878 - 11/24/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

its fully colonized and i've lost too many tubs due to contaminated spawn :feelsbadman:


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19182943 - 11/24/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So , the next question is which factor of your process is causing contamination in your spawn?


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: krikkrew]
    #19183096 - 11/24/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

making syringes from outdoor prints is what i suspect


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183124 - 11/24/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That definitely could factor in I s'pose. Have you thought about ordering syringes?


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    #19183163 - 11/24/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183203 - 11/24/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

your jar went from smelling sour to smelling like healthy myc?

:strokebeard: maybe the myc fought off the contams? i wouldnt be so sure about using that jar.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183213 - 11/24/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Agar or even the brf agar substitute to clean your spores up, as for your jar i'd spawn it on its own and air on the side of caution


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: cronicr]
    #19183237 - 11/24/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i could just spawn the wbs jar to some coir and verm let colonize then fruit it, take some tissue put it onto some agar and do it that way? or maybe make a spore print from the fruits and then put onto agar? which way would be better if you guy's opinion/experience?


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183257 - 11/24/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do both


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: cronicr]
    #19183264 - 11/24/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how much coir should i use for 1 wbs jar? and i'd probably only get a few fruits?


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183284 - 11/24/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I still got over an oz from a 1:1


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: cronicr]
    #19183293 - 11/24/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

woaaa seriously? thats awesome! so 1 wbs jar and 1 brick coir?


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183415 - 11/24/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i was thinking since it smells and looks healthy would it be a bad decision to just do g2g?


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183524 - 11/24/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I guess the myc eats lactobacillus and yeast to a certain degree. But if the bacteria have already produced a lot of ethanol or acetic acid, the myc can't take it. But by that time the grains are going to be a gooey mess.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183531 - 11/24/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I still got over an oz from a 1:1



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woaaa seriously? thats awesome! so 1 wbs jar and 1 brick coir?



No, 1 jar of WBS and 1 jar of substrate...not a whole brick.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: PussyFart]
    #19183626 - 11/24/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

awesome thanks for clearing that up, notahacker what do you think about using this jar for g2g?


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183644 - 11/24/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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awesome thanks for clearing that up, notahacker what do you think about using this jar for g2g?



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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: PussyFart]
    #19183697 - 11/24/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Before shake

After shake

there's no smudges no smears from grains :strokebeard:


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183767 - 11/24/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Should be fine....smell it again just to make sure.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19183806 - 11/24/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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how much coir should i use for 1 wbs jar? and i'd probably only get a few fruits?



1-3 Qt with vermiculite would suffice.  As others have said, a mini made with only one quart spawn can easily deliver well over 30g dried fruit in its lifetime. 

If I have any question to the integrity of the jar, I would rather mini-mono it and clone the best than to risk larger infections.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: PussyFart]
    #19184007 - 11/24/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

just took a whiff and it smells like mushrooms, it has a strong earth tone


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19184075 - 11/24/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i spawn 1 qt grain to 1 qt pasteurized coir/verm a lot so test isolates/strains.  I use 4.5 qt buckets, made like a mono tub.





got the idea from blake_shroom here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18892960/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/2

he uses a 5 gallon bucket, but only 1 qt grain spawn to 3-4 qts substrate.  I love this tek because of the trash bag "lung".  u will need to adjust ur hole size if u do a smaller bucket like mine.  I use my 5 gallon buckets for mimosa Hostilis extractions, plus the small ones work if u do a lot of strain/isolate testing, u can fit more in a small apt.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19184175 - 11/24/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

awesome thanx brother! i'll check it out, i just got a second opinion on the smell and my moms says to her it smells like blue cheese, i dunno if thats good or bad, i personally hate blue cheese.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19184298 - 11/24/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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awesome thanx brother! i'll check it out, i just got a second opinion on the smell and my moms says to her it smells like blue cheese, i dunno if thats good or bad, i personally hate blue cheese.





Cheese is not a smell you want, bleu or otherwise.......my recent first attempt at grain jars smelled a bit like fermented grain as they were colonizing but when fully colonized smelled like mushroom love........here's hoping!

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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: SynKyd]
    #19184328 - 11/24/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

haha yea i figured i got three other peoples opinions they say it smells like fungus and i do too so thats 4 for fungus smell and 1 for blue cheese


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19184355 - 11/24/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ya , iv,e been there. It may go... but the bacteria, almost always wins. and when it does win. the grow is slower than norm. it will fruit if its not too infected. however I think the fruits are infected also. passing on info man...last 2 jars look like bac 2 me...good luck man


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: bluecap]
    #19184361 - 11/24/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thanx for spreading the info mate, the jars in the picture are all the same jar the first pic is before i shook it and the other two are after the shake.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19184549 - 11/24/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they dont look like bacteria to me he just shook it up, where do you see bacteria?


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Hammburgler]
    #19184590 - 11/24/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

alright so i decided to do the blake shroom bucket mono tek for this quart of spawn just to be on the safe side, so i can clone some fruits,
i'm just going to use co co coir i'm pasteurizing it right nizzow

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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19185494 - 11/25/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no prob! post pics when u can or at least document it well so u can post them later, but all at once.  even if u don't post, they are nice to have to look back on for ur future grows for reference...and good old memories :smile:


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19252314 - 12/09/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

alright about a day short of 2 weeks since i tested out the grain jar on some coir and this is what its looking like, i'm thinkin its contamed since its not fully colonized



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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: Captainpaps]
    #19254240 - 12/10/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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alright about a day short of 2 weeks since i tested out the grain jar on some coir and this is what its looking like, i'm thinkin its contamed since its not fully colonized






Dude, it's winter. biological processes all take place more slowly. Why don't you give it some more time to fully colonize, and if it should show signs of contam you can still throw it away.


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Re: Sour grain jar [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
    #19255727 - 12/10/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how big is ur bucket? holes might be a bit big, but then again, I dunno how the dimensions r.  Id use two holes at substrate, 2 at top, all holes no bigger than a glass beer bottle top.  if its a five gallon bucket, those holes might b ok, but still, just two of them, at least at substrate level (not that this has anything to do with the 2 week thing)


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