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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: KingKnowledge]
#19182272 - 11/24/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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there is still legit MDA / MDMA , and LSD around, its just damn hard to find if you dont know the right people. And thats a fuckin shame its that way. But your right the odds of getting what is advertized is a gamble and your life/health is what your gambling with! fucked up!
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: shopdropper]
#19182297 - 11/24/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've said it before, and I will continue to say it, THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IF LSD WAS LEGAL. So this rc may or may not have been schedualed... Irrelevant.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: c1dh3d]
#19182391 - 11/24/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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c1dh3d said: That murder charge is crazy, unless one person forced the other to take it, there is no way that should be a viable charge. Poor bastard.
Well someone did lie about what they sold someone, LSD is safe and whatever they took wasn't. Somewhere down the line there's a legit charge to be dropped, the police did a horrible job at pinning it down - wrong crime and likely wrong person
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Repertoire89]
#19182505 - 11/24/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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c1dh3d said: That murder charge is crazy, unless one person forced the other to take it, there is no way that should be a viable charge. Poor bastard.
Well someone did lie about what they sold someone, LSD is safe and whatever they took wasn't. Somewhere down the line there's a legit charge to be dropped, the police did a horrible job at pinning it down - wrong crime and likely wrong person
Yup agreed.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
#19182520 - 11/24/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nn-IlliniSpiralDMT said: This exactly what the hell is wrong with this country. No one takes responsibility. It was your daughter who took the drug, so if she died, then that her decision. I feel bad but damn, now two or three people are losing their lives. You don't think that dumb ass college kid feels repent for what happened?
You know... there is part of me that agrees with you. And if this had been heroin, oxycontin, or cocaine, I would possibly be in 100% agreement. Everyone over the age of 8 with half a brain knows that those things are dangerous, and could potentially kill you, placing responsibility for the risk wholly on the party taking the drug.
However, LSD is not supposed to be lethal. Not even at hundreds of times a normal dose. So if the drug was sold or given as LSD, then I'd say the person is getting more or less what they deserve, with the criminal charges.
Moving on from that, for sake of argument, let's assume that it was not sold or given as LSD, but rather 25i (which I assume the drug actually was.) Then it becomes a bit more complicated. There is tons of info out there right now indicating that these drugs are dangerous. So theoretically, if the compound was properly named, it would have been possible for both the seller / distributor, and the person taking the drug, to determine that there was a potential risk to life. In that case, I would consider charges somewhat less justified.
I did not say "completely" unjustified, because quite frankly I'm getting.... correction... I've BEEN for quite some time now, quite fucking sick of 25i and all the irresponsible assholes who are moving tons of this garbage onto the streets. Many of them try to justify it in one fashion or another. Even here, on the shroomery, where many have knowledge of drugs well beyond that of the general public, you will find a disturbingly large number of people who will defend 25i and their use or distribution of it up, down, left, and right, despite the small mountain of evidence that we've seen, that this stuff is toxic fucking garbage.
And for all we know, the kid who sold/gave this stuff was one of those assholes. "Don't worry... this stuff is fine. I've done it like 20 times. I've sold like ten sheets already. It's pretty much just like acid, but shorter... you'll be okay... it's only a psychedelic...."

Well guess what? I've done heroin a hundred times. You think that means it's safe, just because I was a little careful, and a lot lucky? Nope. Still deadly as ever.
There is evidence that this stuff is fucking bad for you. A recent study indicates neurotoxicity. But deniers gon' deny. And this, simply put, is the price you may pay if you choose to continue living in denial of the potential harm of your actions to others. Period. You don't like it? Figure out another way to make money that isn't hurting people, or misleading them.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19182607 - 11/24/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty much, second degree murder is still a dumb charge
there'd have to be motive
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roquet
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Konyap]
#19184925 - 11/24/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's just lazy journalism. What they mean is a Quote:
synthetic LSD-like drug
Other news reports say it was 25I-NBOMe. There's no suggestion it was sold as LSD.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: roquet]
#19185241 - 11/25/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could anybody get more info or tell me where to follodw this and simalar cases please?
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Caddilac]
#19185344 - 11/25/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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willing to bet a fuckload of money that this was 25i-nbome
I have seen some festival friends take a 1000ug drop each up the nose (usually under the tongue but they wanted to come up quickly) everyone was reallllly high, after an hour they went through a crowd bottleneck, one of them paniced a little from slight claustrophobia and it brought on a full-on eyes bulging neck-tendon-straining seizure, then he went very,very still.
It was fucking dark, I thought he'd died.
luckily he recovered but he could easily not have.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Littleman]
#19185740 - 11/25/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you know, I have to say, it is hearing about cases like this that just influenced my decision to not get my friend some L. It just came around, and he's been wanting to try it for a long time and always told me to let him know when it's around. sure enough I do, but after hooking up with the connect, I really thought about it, and I don't want myself connected in any way to my friend if anything were to happen. Truth is I know I can't trust the kid 100%, and when it comes to these things (sched. 1 narcotics), I'd rather not take any chances at all. God forbid something happened during the trip or he did something that he'd later regret (not that he is some psycho killer or anything), I Don't want anything able to come back to me. Felt bad, but I'd feel worse sitting in jail for 10 years for being a nice guy.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Absent Minded]
#19185766 - 11/25/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Absent Minded said: you know, I have to say, it is hearing about cases like this that just influenced my decision to not get my friend some L. It just came around, and he's been wanting to try it for a long time and always told me to let him know when it's around. sure enough I do, but after hooking up with the connect, I really thought about it, and I don't want myself connected in any way to my friend if anything were to happen. Truth is I know I can't trust the kid 100%, and when it comes to these things (sched. 1 narcotics), I'd rather not take any chances at all. God forbid something happened during the trip or he did something that he'd later regret (not that he is some psycho killer or anything), I Don't want anything able to come back to me. Felt bad, but I'd feel worse sitting in jail for 10 years for being a nice guy.
Yup. Be careful who you give drugs to - because of stupid laws you can be charged if they do something crazy and get in trouble for it / have some issue. It's unfortunate but the way it is.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#19185814 - 11/25/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, it's really not worth it. herb is one thing, but I just didn't wanna risk anything. it's a shame that the world has become so shitty in terms of the legal system.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Absent Minded]
#19187258 - 11/25/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Absent Minded said: you know, I have to say, it is hearing about cases like this that just influenced my decision to not get my friend some L. It just came around, and he's been wanting to try it for a long time and always told me to let him know when it's around. sure enough I do, but after hooking up with the connect, I really thought about it, and I don't want myself connected in any way to my friend if anything were to happen. Truth is I know I can't trust the kid 100%, and when it comes to these things (sched. 1 narcotics), I'd rather not take any chances at all. God forbid something happened during the trip or he did something that he'd later regret (not that he is some psycho killer or anything), I Don't want anything able to come back to me. Felt bad, but I'd feel worse sitting in jail for 10 years for being a nice guy.
True that, send his ass down to sheepmarket
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Repertoire89]
#19187393 - 11/25/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Absent Minded said: you know, I have to say, it is hearing about cases like this that just influenced my decision to not get my friend some L. It just came around, and he's been wanting to try it for a long time and always told me to let him know when it's around. sure enough I do, but after hooking up with the connect, I really thought about it, and I don't want myself connected in any way to my friend if anything were to happen. Truth is I know I can't trust the kid 100%, and when it comes to these things (sched. 1 narcotics), I'd rather not take any chances at all. God forbid something happened during the trip or he did something that he'd later regret (not that he is some psycho killer or anything), I Don't want anything able to come back to me. Felt bad, but I'd feel worse sitting in jail for 10 years for being a nice guy.
True that, send his ass down to sheepmarket
surprised I've received positive feedback from that decision, figured I'd get shit for not helping a friend out! haha
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Absent Minded]
#19188750 - 11/25/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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could only imagine what it would be like to be in a situation like this. think of the kid that gave dose to one and having that one die. would be a very traumatizing experience. not as the kid gave the other a knife and told him to off himself. more so like playing a agreed game of body chemistry Russian roulette. but, the bullet was provided by him. i don't know. these chemicals that are causing such damage should be researched more on cause and effect. having few experiences turning positive results, make me wonder how in the world are ones coming to such conclusions.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: Absent Minded]
#19188990 - 11/25/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Absent Minded said: you know, I have to say, it is hearing about cases like this that just influenced my decision to not get my friend some L. It just came around, and he's been wanting to try it for a long time and always told me to let him know when it's around. sure enough I do, but after hooking up with the connect, I really thought about it, and I don't want myself connected in any way to my friend if anything were to happen. Truth is I know I can't trust the kid 100%, and when it comes to these things (sched. 1 narcotics), I'd rather not take any chances at all. God forbid something happened during the trip or he did something that he'd later regret (not that he is some psycho killer or anything), I Don't want anything able to come back to me. Felt bad, but I'd feel worse sitting in jail for 10 years for being a nice guy.
100 percent agree I don't like getting acid for people who aren't experienced. Even if he didn't die or get hurt, what if he comes into police contact? They will take his phone and see a bunch texts to me that day, it would be easy for them to figure out where he got it. I trust myself not to freak out, and people I know well or am tripping with and can watch them. A kid I know got nbome'd recently and I admit to feeling really bad I didn't get LSD for him, but he's like 20 and hardly any experience tripping, and he wasn't taking it with me. It's a fine line, I want to help people get real LSD but don't want to end up in prison over it.
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: my3rdeye]
#19190263 - 11/26/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Omg "sythetic" LSD ahahahaha
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Re: Grand jury indicts SLU student for murder in synthetic LSD overdose case . [Re: my3rdeye]
#19190738 - 11/26/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Absent Minded said: you know, I have to say, it is hearing about cases like this that just influenced my decision to not get my friend some L. It just came around, and he's been wanting to try it for a long time and always told me to let him know when it's around. sure enough I do, but after hooking up with the connect, I really thought about it, and I don't want myself connected in any way to my friend if anything were to happen. Truth is I know I can't trust the kid 100%, and when it comes to these things (sched. 1 narcotics), I'd rather not take any chances at all. God forbid something happened during the trip or he did something that he'd later regret (not that he is some psycho killer or anything), I Don't want anything able to come back to me. Felt bad, but I'd feel worse sitting in jail for 10 years for being a nice guy.
100 percent agree I don't like getting acid for people who aren't experienced. Even if he didn't die or get hurt, what if he comes into police contact? They will take his phone and see a bunch texts to me that day, it would be easy for them to figure out where he got it. I trust myself not to freak out, and people I know well or am tripping with and can watch them. A kid I know got nbome'd recently and I admit to feeling really bad I didn't get LSD for him, but he's like 20 and hardly any experience tripping, and he wasn't taking it with me. It's a fine line, I want to help people get real LSD but don't want to end up in prison over it.
yep, really not worth it. I trust myself and my best friend with the stuff, as well as one or two others who I know aren't complete fucking imbeciles, and as such, have helped them out as much as possible.
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