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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: hmmn]
    #19176452 - 11/22/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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A lot of differing opinions have come out in this thread, but with little  evidence that could actually change a person's mind.

It's funny to me when an anti-stoner pops up and just doesn't get that to the stoners, their point is a joke because everything they say is so  harsh and judgmental.

One thing that I've seen cannabis give to a lot of people is the beginnings of an open heart.  It doesn't seem to do much good for their thinking capacity and memory, though - at least not when used with any frequency.  Carl Sagan was an infrequent low-dose user of cannabis by his own [extremely candid, anonymous] description.  In that setting it seems to have very interesting effects on one's creative process. 

As a person who's smoked plenty of cannabis and no longer has any interest in it outside of the rare low-dose, I don't think any good will come of holding on to strong distaste for cannabis or people who use it.  Stoners have some wisdom to offer you; if you can soften your heart and let go of your aggression you'll probably have some wisdom to offer them, too.

Maybe a puff of cannabis would help. ^_^ (couldn't resist, haha)





Stoners don't have any wisdom to give out. It's stupid stuff like this that rubs me the wrong way. You're just getting high, and that's it. That's all you're doing. You're not becoming one with the universe. If you think you are, you've smoked too much. The best thing about marijuana legalization will be that no one will care about weed anymore. I look forward to that day. If you like getting high, that's fine, just remember that no one cares.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome] * 1
    #19176603 - 11/22/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I love marawhana. It's the reason I drive a car that costs as much as my brothers house. Oh yeah, and it makes me one with the universe, man.


You'll only get out of it what you use it for.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19176840 - 11/22/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else.





hey there kiddo.

have a seat.

let me tell you a secret about the universe.



nothing has inherent value. all value is assigned.

and now that you think your value assessments should be applicable to everyone else, you are egocentric.




Holy crud. That is such hippy-dippee BS. Can you talk like, idk, regular mortals would?





nice straw man argument


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: k00laid]
    #19176883 - 11/22/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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k00laid said:
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un-known-ome said:
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k00laid said:
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un-known-ome said:
Marijuana just doesn't have any value, particularly when you compare it to anything else.





hey there kiddo.

have a seat.

let me tell you a secret about the universe.



nothing has inherent value. all value is assigned.

and now that you think your value assessments should be applicable to everyone else, you are egocentric.




Holy crud. That is such hippy-dippee BS. Can you talk like, idk, regular mortals would?





nice straw man argument




If you can't understand his "hippy-dippee bs" then how about it said this way. Nothing has a specific value. The value of an object is only determined by the person giving it the value. A pair of glasses might mean nothing to someone, but if sentimental value is placed upon it, it means something very important to someone. Saying that your lack of value placed in marijuana is what it should be for everyone is liken to saying everyone should share your opinion, which is egocentric.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19177490 - 11/23/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think marijuana is one of the most dangerous drugs not because of health risks but because many people believe that it is benign. Like anything in excess it can have bad consequences, it helped me through one of the worst periods of my life but I was caught in the grips of addiction and only recently managed to break free. To anyone who denies marijuana is addictive you are blind. I know allot of people who have been dependant on marijuana and I have personally experienced cravings and withdrawals. That being said, in moderation there are no serious health risks unless you have a predisposition.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ilift]
    #19177599 - 11/23/13 03:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think one of the most retarded things about pot culture is the completely unnecessary obsession with getting as much smoke into your lungs at one time, as forcefully as possible. You see people turn red from coughing after taking some of these hits...it can't be healthy for the lungs. And yeah, I'm guilty of once participating in said activity, but realize it is still retarded.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19177612 - 11/23/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think one of the most retarded things about pot culture is the completely unnecessary obsession with getting as much smoke into your lungs at one time, as forcefully as possible. You see people turn red from coughing after taking some of these hits...it can't be healthy for the lungs. And yeah, I'm guilty of once participating in said activity, but realize it is still retarded.




honestly the whole stoner culture is retarded imo .

at least the one im surrounded by, It's basically you are pussy if you can't smoke a shit ton really fast in large hits. Not a lot of people like getting that high and its obvious that it's uncomfortable


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: LittleDipster]
    #19178058 - 11/23/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Personally I don't like doing any drug very often (ie every day), as I really enjoy my sober mind quite a bit. The world is full of stuff I want to do for which being sober is pretty much the way to go. But I absolutely love smoking MJ now and then and I tend to agree with the Leary/Wilson's designation of marijuana as an activator of hedonistic consciousness/aesthetic physical ecstacy (from their work on the 8-circuits model of human consciousness). It's definitely a very powerful substance, in some ways perhaps more so than 'real psychedelics'. Some of my personal most crazy and memorable epiphanies happened after smoking.

Description of the "5th circuit" of consciousness associated with marijuana (among other things)
http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm

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V. THE NEUROSOMATIC CIRCUIT
When this fifth "body-brain" is activated, flat Euclidean figure-ground configurations explode multi-dimensionally. Gestalts shift, in McLuhan's terms, from linear VISUAL SPACE to all-encompassing SENSORY SPACE. A hedonic turn-on occurs, a rapturous amusement, a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits. I turned this circuit on with pot and Tantra.

      This fifth brain began to appear about 4,000 years ago in the first leisure-class civilizations and has been increasing statistically in recent centuries (even before the Drug Revolution), a fact demonstrated by the hedonic art of India, China, Rome and other affluent societies. More recently, Ornstein and his school have demonstrated with electroencephalograms that this circuit represents the first jump from the linear left lobe of the brain to the analogical right lobe.

      The opening and imprinting of this circuit has been the preoccupation of "technicians of the occult"—Tantric shamans and hatha yogis. While the fifth tunnel-reality can be achieved by sensory deprivation, social isolation, physiological stress or severe shock (ceremonial terror tactics, as practiced by such rascal-gurus as Don Juan Matus or Aleister Crowley), it has traditionally been reserved to the educated aristocracy of leisure societies who have solved the four terrestrial survival problems.

      About 20,000 years ago, the specific fifth brain neurotransmitter was discovered by shamans in the Caspian Sea area of Asia and quickly spread to other wizards throughout Eurasia and Africa. It is, of course, cannabis. Weed. Mother Mary Jane.

      It is no accident that the pot-head generally refers to his neural state as "high" or "spaced-out." The transcendence of gravitational, digital, linear, either-or, Aristotelian, Newtonian, Euclidean, planetary orientations (circuits I-IV) is, in evolutionary perspective, part of our neurological preparation for the inevitable migration off our home planet, now beginning. This is why so many pot-heads are STAR TREK freaks and science fiction adepts. (Berkeley, California, certainly the Cannabis Capital of the U.S., has a Federation Trading Post on Telegraph Avenue, where the well-heeled can easily spend $500 or more in a single day, buying STAR TREK novels, magazines, newsletters, bumper stickers, photographs, posters, tapes, etc., including even complete blueprints for the starship ENTERPRISE.)

      The extraterrestrial meaning of being "high" is confirmed by astronauts themselves; 85% of those who have entered the free-fall zero gravity describe "mystic experiences" or rapture states typical of the neurosomatic circuit. "No photo can show how beautiful Earth looked," raves Captain Ed Mitchell, describing his Illumination in free-fall. He sounds like any successful yogi or pot-head. No camera can show this experience because it is inside the nervous system.

FREE-FALL, AT THE PROPER EVOLUTIONARY TIME, TRIGGERS THE NEUROSOMATIC MUTATION, Leary believes. Previously this mutation has been achieved "artificially" by yogic or shamanic training or by the fifth circuit stimulant, cannabis. Surfing, skiing, skin-diving and the new sexual culture (sensuous massage, vibrators, imported Tantric arts, etc.) have evolved at the same time as part of the hedonic conquest of gravity. The Turn-On state is always described as "floating," or, in the Zen metaphor, "one foot above the ground."




btw with regards to my mention of the leary/wilson model, take it for what it is, a cool, poetic, alternative way of thinking about the mind and drugs, not for it's historical accuracy or scientific legitimacy. :smile:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: husmmoor]
    #19178071 - 11/23/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im glad i smoke pot.
i wouldnt want to be bitter and boring like the anti stoners.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19178133 - 11/23/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, husmmoor, it is extremely powerful. I can honestly say I have never felt more lost or disoriented on ANY drug than marijuana. On DMT or mushrooms, I sit back and enjoy tripping my ass off. On a high dose of pot, I get stuck in thought loops, get extremely paranoid, hallucinate, and feel completely powerless.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ilift]
    #19178362 - 11/23/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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...To anyone who denies marijuana is addictive you are blind. I know allot of people who have been dependant on marijuana and I have personally experienced cravings and withdrawals...




Care to describe your withdrawal symptoms?

I find it hard to believe anyone is physically dependent on cannabis.

I smoked cannabis daily for 7 years and quitting was easy for me. The most noticeable "withdrawal" symptom was that my dreams became emotionally intense for about 3-5 days. Having been actually physically addicted to other substances I honestly believe cannabis created no physical dependency for me. Quitting nicotine was 1000 times worse (insomnia, depression) and codeine was even more so (insomnia, intense physical pain lasting 3+ days).

I understand that psychological addictions can be powerful, but really, people struggling with that just need to find something constructive into which they can divert their energy.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Libertin]
    #19178890 - 11/23/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The withdrawals weren't bad, but they were there. It varies from person to person some people can handle themselves some people can't.. I couldn't. I have a friend who can smoke all break long (cigarettes) and quit before class. It depends on the person however the only physical withdrawal symptoms  I got were loss of appetite. The main thing is that it's illegal kids aren't smoking the natural stuff grown outdoors with lower thc and balanced CBD ratios like years ago, they get hydro from bikies pumped with chemicals that fucks you out of your mind. I smoked it again recently after quitting and frankly I just felt so stupid I couldn't comprehend the conversation I guess marijuana wasn't for me however if you find it doesn't create major problems in your life nor detracts from your sanity than I don't think smoking like one would drink alchohol is a bad idea


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Ilift]
    #19179660 - 11/23/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

pot is good for you it cures cancer dont be such a poonneenee


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: bourgasm]
    #19179741 - 11/23/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Im a massive cannabis advocate....BUUUUT!!....people who smoke lots of THC can suffer from something called Cannabinoid Hyperemisis syndrome.

"characterized by recurrent nausea, vomiting and colicky abdominal pain...Usually experienced just after waking up in the morning."

I know i experience that on a mild level every day and eat less because i feel like hell. I guess it makes sense since im usually dabing around a gram a day. :feelsbadman:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19179980 - 11/23/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know what id do without it. Sucks for you man :frown:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: funkerdslr]
    #19180039 - 11/23/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The THC to CBD ratio in modern cannabis is all fucked up. Talking about it as if it is the same thing that has existed for decades is like extolling the virtues of a vegetable-rich diet, and then, suddenly in your discourse, interchanging it with "vegetable-scarce diet". The effect of the plant smoked today is completely different than what was smoked 30-40 years ago. Plants have been genetically bred for high THC content while CBD has been largely ignored. To see the difference in effect that CBD makes, watch the last 8 minutes of this video:



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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19181018 - 11/24/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

At least now there are breeders coming out with CBD dominant strains now. Now we have high THC/low CBD strains and ones opposite to that.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19182172 - 11/24/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, that's good. I would really like to try one of those high CBD strains.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Epigallo]
    #19182392 - 11/24/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think this thread is littered with stereotyping, name-calling, and fluffy transparent arguments for either side.
Although many people are throwing out good arguments every now and then, most are ad hominem and seem to just attack specific posters or "the stoner culture."

Either way, I still got a giggle out of reading some of these pages.  :lol:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19182621 - 11/24/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I am immediately filled with regret, and even self-loathing. The question that I put to myself is: "why did I just get high?"




I can relate to this with psychedelics some times, and I used to feel this way about marijuana when i first started smoking. These feelings stemmed from people not accepting my desire to experiment and thus I felt guilty and "self loathing" as you put it.

Maybe you should smoke weed again and when you get that feeling, just smoke right on through it. Have you ever tried dabbing?


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