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Hooray4Hoffman
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Timing problem - advice?
#19182051 - 11/24/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I seem to find myself staring at another timing issue, which I seem to run into often thanks to the long timelines involved in this hobby.
I have substrate (coir+verm) that I pasteurized yesterday and was planning to spawn some BRF jars to it today for some bulk trays. I looked at the calendar today and realized I'm going to be out of town for as many as 6 days, starting exactly a month from now. So I'm worried about the timing: 2 or 3 weeks until the trays are ready, a week or longer for pinning, a week or longer for the flush...
I've read that pasteurized sub can be used up to 2 weeks after pasteurization but you shouldn't try to keep it longer than that without starting over. Also, these jars were noc'd up 10/6 and one has already grown a fruit in vitro so I think they really need to come out.
Would I be better off: a) Spawning now and then not fruiting the trays until after I get back (5 weeks from now) b) Waiting two weeks or less, spawning, and then not fruiting the trays until after I get back c) Waiting more than two weeks, re-pasteurizing (or not?), spawn and then fruit after I get back d) Go for it immediately and hope I can get a flush in before I leave, or just put them into fruiting before I leave and see what happens
I should note I'll be using a SGFC. So that requires more daily attention (misting/fanning) than if it were something like a monotub. Has anyone ever hooked up a humidifier on a timer to a SGFC?
I know that one option is to fruit the cakes as cakes immediately... but I have not had recent success with that (could be fruiting chamber design, I don't know) and on the other hand I have had success with going to a bulk tray, so I really am looking for a plan of attack that preserves the tray approach.
Thanks!
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TrentBoyett
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why not just fruit the brf cakes you have, and start over with grain when you get back?
That's what I would do.
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krikkrew
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If they're fruiting in vitro you may be a little late.
I'd go for it and set them up to fruit stat.
If you want immediate results but lower yield, leave them in cakes.
I would leave them in cakes anyway seeing how they've been colonizing for over a month. Are they 100%?
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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: krikkrew]
#19182317 - 11/24/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Spawn to a mono
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19182352 - 11/24/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Spawn to a mono

2 weeks is a pretty long time to budget for a spawn run. 3 weeks is a real long shot, anything that takes that long has something wrong with it IMO. A mono is nice because set and forget means you don't need to worry about misting or maintence while your away. The only problem might be a spore explosion when you get back.
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mjmihalov said: why not just fruit the brf cakes you have, and start over with grain when you get back?
Also a good plan to get a few flushes in quick. You could get your first flush harvested in 3-4 weeks easy, then just make sure your perlite is well hydrated and they should be fine for 6 days till you get back. If you don't live in a super dry climate they will be fine and you might have a nice harvest waiting for you.
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19182502 - 11/24/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well like I said, I'd prefer not to try and fruit these as cakes because I haven't had luck with cakes and I'd hate to waste yet another batch of them.
I do have a monotub that I could use. Issues there are: 1. I only prepared around 4.75 qts of substrate to go with my ~2 qts of spawn (since I was planning for two trays) so it would be a pretty small amount in the monotub and the level will not come up to the bottom holes. 2. Or, if I prepared more sub I'd be dealing with a lower spawn ratio. 3. The two previous times I've tried a mono, using WBS, it succumbed to trich before I could get a flush. It's possible that my sub pasteurization technique was to blame then; this time, I've done it the proper way (Frank's way).
What would you think about spawning into a tray so that the depth is right, and then placing that into the mono? Even filling the area between the smaller tray and mono walls with damp perlite?
I do like that a mono can be set-and-forget, but I guess I'm a little gun shy since I haven't gotten it to work yet, and meanwhile a tray in a SGFC is the one method that I have gotten to work recently so I feel more confident in it.
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Pastywhyte
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A tray in the mono can work, but is not ideal. Why not get a smaller tub. I use 18 quart mini monos to do all my clone tests and initial ms grows. 2 quarts spawn and 3-4 quarts sub is perfect, and the mono is just as set and forget as the larger ones.
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cronicr



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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19182759 - 11/24/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I get to my comp I'll show you my bros trays in a monon
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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: cronicr]
#19182777 - 11/24/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: When I get to my comp I'll show you my bros trays in a monon
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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: krikkrew]
#19183107 - 11/24/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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krikkrew said:
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cronicr said: When I get to my comp I'll show you my bros trays in a monon

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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: Rubestoad]
#19183296 - 11/24/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd love to see that, cronicr.
Here's what I'm thinking now...
I picked up an aluminum roasting pan from the grocery store, the surface area of which at the top is not much less than that of a cross-section of my mono right below the holes. There's a gap between it and the walls but it's not too much.

The pan is almost 3" deep and with the amount of spawn + sub I have, it'll be pretty much filled up. This is one of those pans that came with the clear plastic domed lid, so I figure that can be used for colonization and it'll let me check the progress without having to open anything up.
Then, after that sucker is colonized I'll throw it in the mono. I was thinking I would prop it up on some kind of raised surface to bring the top of the pan up by the holes -- that's better than having the holes way above the surface of the sub, right?
And/or, to combat problems with there being less moisture due to a lower sub volume, I was thinking what about putting damp perlite on the bottom and setting the pan on that to raise it. This would be cleaned out/replaced between flushes to discourage mold or whatnot from stagnation. Think this would help raise the humidity even though air won't be flowing through it as in a SGFC?
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cronicr



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I still can't get to my comp, my brothers an online gaming junkie but its just like you posted and worked great for him, once my brothers done I'll link ya up
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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: cronicr]
#19183536 - 11/24/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Timing problem - advice? [Re: cronicr]
#19183687 - 11/24/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks! Glad to see this method worked!
I see in that thread you speculated about adding perlite to the bottom of the tub and veda_sticks responded that he thought it wouldn't help. So I guess I'll forgo that and just put the tray in, maybe sit it on top of some overturned tupperware.
Hey, best base, maybe I'll have a flush before I leave.
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