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One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet
    #19180983 - 11/24/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

(Crossposted from Sexuality & Relationships)

It's a bit of a long read, but it's a pretty AMAZING and intense read. It's basically about a women's legal battle against revenge-porn king Hunter Moore: http://jezebel.com/one-womans-dangerous-war-against-the-most-hated-man-on-1469240835?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

What do you all think of him and what he does? I personally always thought that there was a law against publicizing personal photos without the person signing a model release. That's usually standard practice in this type of work. So now I am curious why this law does not apply to revenge porn websites? Kind of scary to think that my computer could be hacked into and my pictures taken and posted up on the site along with my personal information.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19180987 - 11/24/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't you post those pictures voluntarily? BTW, that is a good strategy against someone posting revenge porn... You already posted the porn yourself.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: koods] * 2
    #19181006 - 11/24/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't you post those pictures voluntarily? BTW, that is a good strategy against someone posting revenge porn... You already posted the porn yourself.




I can't remember the last time I posted or even took a nude picture. It's not something I've done in years.

Did you even read the article? Considering you posted 3 minutes after I did, I'm going to guess NO.

If you had, you would have realized that over half the submissions were not even posted online, the pictures were obtained by hacking into their cell-phones and emails.

You would also have known that in this particular revenge porn website, full names, telephone numbers, and addresses are included in the submissions which makes the victim a target for stalking, getting fired, losing their kids, and other disastrous things.

Furthermore, this article is not about me. I have never (to my knowledge) been posted on any revenge porn website. I have never had my pictures sent to my workplace, or my family, or my current boyfriends.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19181019 - 11/24/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

need cliffs before decide to read.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: SpecialEd]
    #19181041 - 11/24/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I clicked it, do I get a cookie?


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19181055 - 11/24/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Huh how about that, I always thought those were fake.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: SpecialEd] * 2
    #19181056 - 11/24/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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need cliffs before decide to read.




Paragraph 1: Random woman (you don't know who she is yet) is getting stalked menacingly by somebody at her house with her 4-year old child (reason you do not know why yet).

Paragraph 2: Woman's oldest teenage daughter was taking selfies of her new outfit in the mirror. In one picture, one of her nipples was showing, which accidentally fell out of the outfit while taking the picture. She never sent the photo to anybody, and her computer was hacked into, and posted to a revenge porn website. Her and her mother requested the owner (Hunter Moore) to take down the photos and he refused, basically saying that women who took pictures of themselves like this were sluts and deserved whatever was coming to him.

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He called himself a "professional life ruiner" and described his website as "pure evil." He threw legal letters in the trash, addressed his followers as "my children," taking a page from the Charles Manson handbook; and regularly taunted victims, encouraging them to commit suicide. People claimed to be afraid of him. He had no fear oflawsuits; he knew a victim would be unlikely to sue because a civil suit would cost $60,000 (according to attorney Marc Randazza), and forever link a woman's name with the image she hoped to hide.

Moore maintained that his victims were sluts, asked to be abused and deserved to lose their jobs, embarrass their families and find themselves forever ruined.




Paragraph 3: The family contacted the LAPD, who basically could not help (and acted completely unprofessionally) because there were no laws against revenge porn at this time.

Paragraph 4-6: They mention a list of women who were targets of this site. One teacher in a small town in Texas was stalked and humiliated and lost her job because of it. She never took a nude photo, somebody photoshopped her face on a pornographic photo and submitted it to the revenge porn website with her address and work place. 

Some of the victims were underaged and being stalked by adult males after their photo submissions. Some had also committed suicide following the posting of their photos.

Here is a notable one:

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Tory lived in Atlanta, and her computer had been compromised by "Gary Jones." A medical image of her bloody and bandaged breasts appeared on Is Anyone Up? next to her name, workplace and a link to her Facebook page. Her nipples were fully visible.

"The photo is from my doctor's office," Tory weeped into the phone. "I'd just had surgery. How could someone do this to me?"




Paragraph 7: It was determined that at least 40% of women on this particular revenge porn website had been hacked and had their photos uploaded.

Paragraph 8: Charlotte Laws (who by now you realize is the original woman in the first paragraph) strikes an alliance with Facebook to have him kicked off to prevent him from gaining followers. She gets Facebook to file a civil suit on behalf of his victims, Moore (like he always does) responds with a picture of his penis.

Paragraph 9: Laws teams up with an attorney and contacts the FBI, serving them with papers of all the victims who had been hacked. People assist in temporarily taking down the photos of all the victims, including the woman's daughter. The FBI ends up raiding Hunter Moore's house. Or more accurately, his parents' house, where he was living in his mid-20's.

Paragraph 10: Moore finds out who called the FBI on him, posts her home address as well as other victims who helped work her case on the internet, which leads to her being stalked by the guy in the first paragraph.

Paragraph 11-12: She receives a call from a computer hacker from Anonymous, who have vowed to help take down the website. His address and families names were posted publicly and put on blast: http://www.vice.com/read/hunter-moore-is-hunted-by-anonymous

His website is finally taken down, and revenge porn laws are started in California, New Jersey, and New York. Moore has claims of starting up another website, this time even with Google Maps and satellite view of the victim's pictures that were posted, to make it easier to stalk them. To date he has not done this yet, and Anonymous has crashed and disabled his crappy DJ website's servers numerous times, but there is a legal loophole in the California law which may make it possible for him to do this.

Of course, the author writes it in a much more suspenseful way, it was sort of like one of those thriller books that you can't wait to read what's coming up next. I feel like I should be tagging spoilers in my post. :lol:


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19181172 - 11/24/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

as long as Anon hates him, we good to go.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: SpecialEd]
    #19181179 - 11/24/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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need cliffs before decide to read.




the internet isnt a safe place.

and women are still learning this, but hey. i post my naked pics too.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19181289 - 11/24/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I can't remember the last time I posted or even took a nude picture. It's not something I've done in years.






actually it was about 8 months ago


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: broken]
    #19181306 - 11/24/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I can't remember the last time I posted or even took a nude picture. It's not something I've done in years.






actually it was about 8 months ago




Oh yeah. But for obvious reasons, the face is blacked out so you can't tell who the person is. You can't even identify the race of that person, except that she's not black. It's practically the same thing as posting a photo of your penis that only shows the lower half of your body. Even if somebody reposts it claiming to be you, well, it could also be anybody.

When I say nude shots, I mean ones with full face shots or something that would be able to identify that person (a Facebook link, home address, telephone number, work place, where I went to school, etc.)

I was also mainly talking about nude selfies. I don't often take nude selfies, and the only selfies I almost ever take are gym/fitness progress selfies. Documenting your sexual experience is another thing entirely as a selfie, although somebody can certainly retrieve that documentation and repost it on a site like that.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G] * 3
    #19181311 - 11/24/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so the lack of a face means it's not a nude picture?


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: broken]
    #19181320 - 11/24/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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so the lack of a face means it's not a nude picture?




In the context of this thread, it doesn't reveal the identity, so no it's not pertinent. The whole purpose of that article is about the exposing of women (and a few men) for the purpose of identifying them and humiliating them publicly. If I were taking nude selfies of myself where my face could be clearly seen, then that's a different story (in pertinence to this article).

And how many times do I have to keep mentioning that this thread isn't about me? I have never been shamed on one of these revenge porn websites (that I know of). I have never had my computer hacked into and had my pictures stolen (that I know of).

And TBH, I wouldn't be AS humiliated as these women, even if my photo did appear publicly like that. I would not contemplate suicide or burst into tears about it. The only thing I would be worried about would be harassment (from random strangers calling me all hours of the night or stalking me and following me home), but my primary worry would be embarrassment at work and possibly losing my job. I actually wouldn't even mind if it was posted elsewhere, as long as it wasn't linked to anything that could identify me, such as my Facebook account or my e-mail or my phone number or my home address.

I mean for Christsake's, I've posed for SuicideGirls and other nude publications. The difference is that nobody in person can tell it's me. I'm proud of my nude pictures (not in a vain or self-absorbed way, just in the sense that I think everybody should be proud and unashamed and unapologetic of being nude). Some of my photos have been done quite beautifully with the photography and the lighting and the scenery and the wardrobe and the hair and everything. I find it to be such a shame that society has such hangups and is so conservative about something as beautiful and natural as nudity and sex.

I am also proud of the fact that I have been featured on these publications, since flat-chested Asian girls (I'm talking REALLY Asian-looking girls) are almost never selected for this type of modeling work. Asian women in pinup-style tasteful nudes are often "mixed"-looking, have had plastic surgery to make their features appear more "Caucasian," or have huge implants to be considered desirable for this type of work. A photographer at Penthouse magazine even told me in person that these are the only types of Asian women that Penthouse magazine strictly look for. So I am proud of the fact that I am contributing to bringing a different standard of beauty. In feminist nudes for example, they might portray slightly chubby women, or older women, women who are disabled, or women with imperfections to appeal to a different demographic.

That's what I don't understand either, is if you were to say, have posed nude in a Playboy feature, everybody would want to know you and want to hang out with you and think you were cool. It would clearly boost your social status. You probably wouldn't even get fired for it, unless you were working as an elementary school teacher or a politician or something. And even then, depending on your position in office you might not. But if you post nude selfies and people find out it's you, suddenly people laugh at you, mock you, shame you for being a whore, and ostracize you? Something isn't right.

So rest assured, I didn't post this because I am jilted from a personal experience. Which is basically what people are implying when they start referencing me.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G]
    #19181351 - 11/24/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I mean for Christsake's, I've posed for SuicideGirls and other nude publications. The difference is that nobody in person can tell it's me. I'm proud of my nude pictures (not in a self-absorbed way, just in the sense that I think everybody should be proud of their nudity).




Oh, I meant to mention, there was one SuicideGirl who was the daughter of a local politician who had something like this happen to her. She posted on the SG forums that somebody had found out her full name and her home address, and apparently emailed all her SG photos to her father. (Which of course destroyed her relationships with her family. She was only 18 or 19 too I believe.)

My inclination is that a member (or a fellow SG) who was jealous of her and wanted to defame her added her on Facebook, and figured out her full name and did some investigative background checks on her to find out her personal information. I doubt she has done anything to deserve this, but I did feel pity for her, as I have years ago been stalked when I was 15 by an adult male who was at least 10 years older than me.

For safety reasons, I never added anybody (even somebody who I was "friends" with and conversed with quite frequently) from the SuicideGirls website, because you really never know what somebody's true intentions are. I never use my real name anywhere on Facebook or at all online except my work email. As a matter of fact, many people who I know in person don't even know my real name, and only know me by my nickname. And people that I consume drugs with know me by a completely fictitious name.

I never use the same password at separate websites, I never publicly state on Facebook or anywhere online which company I work for, I have set my Facebook profile to private so nobody can search for me, I do not download files that I receive from strangers, and I do not click on links that random strangers send to me. One young boy actually sent me a link to my Myspace years ago (back when people still used Myspace), and I pasted the URL in the search engine, only to find out it was a website designed for the purpose of phishing. I am aware of the risks.

However, even with these safety precautions, it is still possible, as I do download movies and books from torrents. I don't know what kind of viruses can be embedded in these, but some MUST have the capability to boot up your webcam, or install keyloggers or and find out your passwords to access private information. People can disguise URLs as something different from what it shows in text. Somebody who is close to you could physically steal your hard drive. Somebody could hack the computer of any person or publication company who has your information. Even if you encrypt all your files, nothing makes you immune anymore, no matter how many precautions you take.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G]
    #19181414 - 11/24/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what sites exactly are they talking about?, i need to investigate  :hmm:


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: zZZz]
    #19181599 - 11/24/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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what sites exactly are they talking about?, i need to investigate  :hmm:




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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #19181618 - 11/24/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't believe any of the publications are up and running anymore except SuicideGirls and a tattoo/alternative fashion magazine called Petite Alternative which i still have a couple copies of. That one was the only recent modeling I did, it was taken it was taken a little over a year ago, but my friend in LA was submitting applications to become an official photographer for them and asked me to be her model, so I did. I was just expecting a couple people in the submissions department to see it and then either accept or decline her as a photographer.

3 weeks later they ended up sending me a model release form and asked me for my personal information, since they were wanting my pictures to be published in the magazine. I was not planning on modeling anytime again, but to help my friend out and boost her credibility I did. In that one i was topless, but not showing any nipples (which is considered implied nudity). We did it on a public beach in the middle of the city too, god that was one paranoid photo shoot. :lol:

To be honest I don't even remember most of who I posed for anymore or their domain names, it was all years ago. Some cosplay site, some bikini sites, some playboy style soft porn sites, some featuring exclusively asian girls, some bdsm sites, its all a blur really. I was so fucking lit at each photoshoot. :lol:

I never tell people about the work I've done, I don't consider myself "a model," I was just a young girl trying to rake in some quick dough.

Okay, now that I've answered the question to the best of my knowledge, can we get PLEASE back to the topic?!?!?!!?!


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G]
    #19181649 - 11/24/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I personally always thought that there was a law against publicizing personal photos without the person signing a model release.



Generally, no, unless it's for pecuniary gain.  Even if it is for pecuniary gain, it's a tort....not a crime.  One can sue for appropriation.

The theft of the pictures or the hacking is a crime, however, if it can be proven.


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Crystal G]
    #19181679 - 11/24/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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(Crossposted from Sexuality & Relationships)

It's a bit of a long read, but it's a pretty AMAZING and intense read. It's basically about a women's legal battle against revenge-porn king Hunter Thompson: http://jezebel.com/one-womans-dangerous-war-against-the-most-hated-man-on-1469240835?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

What do you all think of him and what he does? I personally always thought that there was a law against publicizing personal photos without the person signing a model release. That's usually standard practice in this type of work. So now I am curious why this law does not apply to revenge porn websites? Kind of scary to think that my computer could be hacked into and my pictures taken and posted up on the site along with my personal information.



Too bad get used to the 21st century.  :hatsoff:


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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Revenge Porn Artist on the Internet [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19181687 - 11/24/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Too bad get used to the 21st century.  :hatsoff:




I think you're missing the point here. Did you read the article or just respond after you read the title of the article? The article is about how this particular website is breaking illegal laws (uploading of minors, hacking into people's computers to obtain private pictures, posting people's photos and addresses without their consent which would be tried in civil court). And this article addresses that what isn't illegal yet is due to change in time. The entire reason it's difficult to find "real" rape pornography, snuff porngraphy, and child pornography online is because of the laws, and the fact that law enforcement go to great lengths to prosecute these cases when they do occur. That is the point of this thread.


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