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Demonic_Chronic
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Gemstones and the energies they carry.
#19181185 - 11/24/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love stones, my favorite are malachite and azurite which ironically are usually found next to or inside one another. I love the metaphysical/spiritual history and I like to believe there is some truth behind the energy gemstones carry. Whats your opinion on this matter? Whats your favorite(s)?
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Although I'm a pretty logical thinker, metaphysical properties of things really intrigue me.
I had a girlfriend who's family has a history of witches. So she taught me a lot.
She had some sort of crystal that was said to absorb any negative energies around you
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Legend] 1
#19181243 - 11/24/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like a lot of gemstones... I just know nothing about them or the names or anything. They're just fucking cool and pretty in my opinion.
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Shroomopotamus]
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topaz is my birthstone.i feel a gem you find may even be more powerful.legend when you visit were gonna do some rockhounding for opal and turquoise
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#19181265 - 11/24/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomopotamus said: I like a lot of gemstones... I just know nothing about them or the names or anything. They're just fucking cool and pretty in my opinion.
http://crystal-cure.com/gemstone-meanings.html
Have a gander.
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Thanks for sharing
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: thizzlemaniac]
#19181353 - 11/24/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No problem, anything I can do to further the expansion of someones consciousness and understanding of any subject, is energy well invested.
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: thizzlemaniac] 2
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Rocks are rocks. No magical properties except in the mind of the user. They have usefulness as a meditation tool to help one focus their thoughts, but again, that is placebo and no more.
Still, placebo is a powerful thing. The mind has control over the functions of the body, and if you believe that something will happen, it very well may if it is within the realm of possibility to be enacted through the subconscious.
So worship those stones... the power is all in your mind, but it is real enough.
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Schmendrick]
#19181370 - 11/24/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Schmendrick said: Rocks are rocks. No magical properties except in the mind of the user. They have usefulness as a meditation tool to help one focus their thoughts, but again, that is placebo and no more.
Still, placebo is a powerful thing. The mind has control over the functions of the body, and if you believe that something will happen, it very well may if it is within the realm of possibility to be enacted through the subconscious.
So worship those stones... the power is all in your mind, but it is real enough.
Opinions are opinions, of which ours do not agree but I give you accolades and props because you speak truth. Placebo is a very very powerful thing. Mind > Matter and if you believe 100% something will work then it is more likely do work than if you did not believe as such. I could tell you I was giving you a muscle relaxer when it reality it was a mere sugar pill and if you believed me wholeheartedly, chances are you would probably feel more relaxed post ingestion.
But rocks are not just rocks. There are detectable energies and frequencies specific crystals/gemstones carry that is measurable by science. Not to mention the sheer quantity of knowledge we can technically store in certain crystals, quartz being the main one.
Thank you for not adding useless, completely biased and close minded input. 
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Demonic_Chronic] 2
#19181380 - 11/24/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I would like to add that no worship occurs between me and any stones/gems I own.
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Schmendrick said: Rocks are rocks. No magical properties except in the mind of the user. They have usefulness as a meditation tool to help one focus their thoughts, but again, that is placebo and no more.
Still, placebo is a powerful thing. The mind has control over the functions of the body, and if you believe that something will happen, it very well may if it is within the realm of possibility to be enacted through the subconscious.
So worship those stones... the power is all in your mind, but it is real enough.
Opinions are opinions, of which ours do not agree but I give you accolades and props because you speak truth. Placebo is a very very powerful thing. Mind > Matter and if you believe 100% something will work then it is more likely do work than if you did not believe as such. I could tell you I was giving you a muscle relaxer when it reality it was a mere sugar pill and if you believed me wholeheartedly, chances are you would probably feel more relaxed post ingestion.
But rocks are not just rocks. There are detectable energies and frequencies specific crystals/gemstones carry that is measurable by science. Not to mention the sheer quantity of knowledge we can technically store in certain crystals, quartz being the main one.
Thank you for not adding useless, completely biased and close minded input. 
DC
Thank your for your measured response. I am certain my first sentence 'rocks are rocks' got your blood boiling, but you were able to come back with a pretty level headed comment. My intention is not to flame, nor to get into a lengthy debate about the subject; especially as I am off to bed soon (after this post in fact)
HOWEVER....
Obviously rocks are not 'just rocks'. That was a gross oversimplification. Each rock/mineral/gemstone differs in it's constituent elements and the pressure/heat applied throughout it's life. A diamond is obviously the same thing not coal... even though they are both nothing but molecular carbon, the diamond has undergone a vastly different heat/pressure experience over the course of it's existence than has the coal.
Different rocks have different properties, the most obvious of which is usually light refractivity/reflectivity. But that does not mean they are magic. I am completely unaware of any credible source which claims that any mineral, 'rock' or gemstone has been shown to 'carry', emanate, redirect, absorb, bend or convert any energy other than the basic known scientific energies and forces such as light and electromagnetism.
I am also unaware of any credible study which shows that the previously mentioned energies/forces have any long term, meaningful impact on the internal health of the human body. Obviously if you use diamonds or other transparent/translucent minerals and materials to concentrate a light beam into a laser, you can burn skin or even cure certain forms of cancer though targeted treatment... but we both know that is not what you are talking about.
You claim these magical properties exist, and that they are 'measurable by science'. I challenge you to prove it. Please do not feel the urge to respond immediately - as I am sure you have ascertained already, I am not a pushover, and I will not be easily swayed. Please take your time, and be certain that your studies, methods and sources are accurate, credible, peer reviewed and repeatable. I will check my answer in the morning.
I hope you are up to the task. I do tire of the old 'I know what I know, and I don't have to prove anything to you' non-answer.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are the one making the claim, so the onus lies on you to prove it. I have a feeling that my definition of 'evidence' and yours probably differ, but we shall see.
See you in the morning.
Have a good night
Edited by Schmendrick (11/24/13 04:18 AM)
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Schmendrick]
#19181469 - 11/24/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Demonic_Chronic said:
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Schmendrick said: Rocks are rocks. No magical properties except in the mind of the user. They have usefulness as a meditation tool to help one focus their thoughts, but again, that is placebo and no more.
Still, placebo is a powerful thing. The mind has control over the functions of the body, and if you believe that something will happen, it very well may if it is within the realm of possibility to be enacted through the subconscious.
So worship those stones... the power is all in your mind, but it is real enough.
Opinions are opinions, of which ours do not agree but I give you accolades and props because you speak truth. Placebo is a very very powerful thing. Mind > Matter and if you believe 100% something will work then it is more likely do work than if you did not believe as such. I could tell you I was giving you a muscle relaxer when it reality it was a mere sugar pill and if you believed me wholeheartedly, chances are you would probably feel more relaxed post ingestion.
But rocks are not just rocks. There are detectable energies and frequencies specific crystals/gemstones carry that is measurable by science. Not to mention the sheer quantity of knowledge we can technically store in certain crystals, quartz being the main one.
Thank you for not adding useless, completely biased and close minded input. 
DC
Thank your for your measured response. I am certain my first sentence 'rocks are rocks' got your blood boiling, but you were able to come back with a pretty level headed comment. My intention is not to flame, nor to get into a lengthy debate about the subject; especially as I am off to bed soon (after this post in fact)
HOWEVER....
Obviously rocks are not 'just rocks'. That was a gross oversimplification. Each rock/mineral/gemstone differs in it's constituent elements and the pressure/heat applied throughout it's life. A diamond is obviously the same thing not coal... even though they are both nothing but molecular carbon, the diamond has undergone a vastly different heat/pressure experience over the course of it's existence than has the coal.
Different rocks have different properties, the most obvious of which is usually light refractivity/reflectivity. But that does not mean they are magic. I am completely unaware of any credible source which claims that any mineral, 'rock' or gemstone has been shown to 'carry', emanate, redirect, absorb, bend or convert any energy other than the basic known scientific energies and forces such as light and electromagnetism.
I am also unaware of any credible study which shows that the previously mentioned energies/forces have any long term, meaningful impact on the internal health of the human body. Obviously if you use diamonds or other transparent/translucent minerals and materials to concentrate a light beam into a laser, you can burn skin or even cure certain forms of cancer though targeted treatment... but we both know that is not what you are talking about.
You claim these magical properties exist, and that they are 'measurable by science'. I challenge you to prove it. Please do not feel the urge to respond immediately - as I am sure you have ascertained already, I am not a pushover, and I will not be easily swayed. Please take your time, and be certain that your studies, methods and sources are accurate, credible, peer reviewed and repeatable. I will check my answer in the morning.
I hope you are up to the task. I do tire of the old 'I know what I know, and I don't have to prove anything to you' non-answer.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are the one making the claim, so the onus lies on you to prove it. I have a feeling that my definition of 'evidence' and yours probably differ, but we shall see.
See you in the morning.
Have a good night 

I love a intellectual discussion.
Let me preface by stating that my claim of energy measurable in stones/crystals/gems was solely aimed at the electromagnetic differences, like you mentioned. I dont recall claiming "stones are magic" and if you review my original post you will see that I stated "I like to believe there is some truth behind the energy they carry". Your statement that rocks are rocks did not get my blood boiling nor did it anger/irritate or bother me in any way. I am a man of science and intelligible enough to understand and respect the fact the people have opinions that differ from others, mine included. Electromagnetic energy is an energy and crystals of varying molecular composition carry varying amounts of electromagnetic energy.
You are also correct about polymorphism among chemical elements that may manifest into different forms, mainly pure chemical elements. (i.e diamond, graphice and coal all being pure carbon but formed under vastly different environmental circumstances.) But I would like to add that different crystals can have different electrical and mechanical properties that other crystal like materials such as glass, usually do not possess(although they can). This mainly stems from the lack of rotational symmetry in the arrangement of the atoms. One such property is the accumulation of an electrical charge under various physical stress.
I am willing to admit and agree with you almost 100% about the fact that science has yet to find proof that crystals carry any special "energetic" properties outside the fact that crystals maintain a very large amount of energy applied to them. This is why we use them in the computer world. Quartz crystal in specific has the ability to hold and maintain a vast amount of data. They are widely used in the production of computer chips. I will also admit I was wrong when I included in a "measurable frequency" possessed by crystals, but this was added in bias. In fact, the "vibrations" many crystal healers talk about is bullshit in the world of science because solids vibrate less than liquids and gasses. This does not rule out the possibility of something there that we cant see.
I like to entertain the idea that crystals may be special beyond their applications in science and technology but I am not claiming it to be fact or 100% true. I will usually never say anything is 100% true because we have "known" many things throughout our past only for them to be completely false.
Although I cannot give you any "proof" you asked for, I believe you misunderstood my posts as me claiming it as truth. We as humans dont know a damn thing 
Hope this was a measurable response for ya.
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I like opals, they are amaze, although I've never given any thought to any energy they might carry. I do know they were very popular but became associated with evil in the 1700's(??) and quite quickly became unpopular.
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Schmendrick]
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are the one making the claim, so the onus lies on you to prove it. I have a feeling that my definition of 'evidence' and yours probably differ, but we shall see.
Yes they do but I didnt mean to come off as claiming anything, at least claiming it for fact. I believe our definitions of evidence are probably fairly similar. As I said, I am a man of science but that does not mean I do not entertain the metaphysical world.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are the one making the claim, so the onus lies on you to prove it. I have a feeling that my definition of 'evidence' and yours probably differ, but we shall see.
Yes they do but I didnt mean to come off as claiming anything, at least claiming it for fact. I believe our definitions of evidence are probably fairly similar. As I said, I am a man of science but that does not mean I do not entertain the metaphysical world.
DC
Well I guess there is not much more to say here. It seems we mostly agree, except that you are more open to entertaining the metaphysical than I am. In fact, the only reason I am even posting this response is to bump the thread in case any 'true believers' in crystal energies/healing effects want to argue the point.
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Schmendrick]
#19188638 - 11/25/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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check out the user mattritt
he's got all kinds of badass stones!!! I actually have some azurite and malachite he sent me to pulverize and make inlay in wooden bracelets but my lathe is broken ATM and I'm sure he's prolly thinkin where is my shit!! 
mattritt if ya read this I promise I ain't forgot about ya brother!! thanks for the awesome trade!!  
btw demonic chronic, we good on that one thing?
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Schmendrick]
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19188739 - 11/25/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"my" electric blue rainbow obsidian mine lassen cr.
 "my" old rainbow obsidian pit davis cr.
 "my" old obsidian needle mine davis cr.
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hey buddy how you doin? you back in the game? in good health and spirits I hope!!
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I collect minerals. My favorite right now are topaz, beryl, and corundum.
I found some nephrite jade too which I like, one 70 lb green piece wad the biggest. I know where I can get a whole bunch more but I need to buy my truck first
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Demonic_Chronic] 1
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I know for a fact that gemstones can carry negative energy.
For instance, if you ever buy a diamond for a woman, you've instantly cursed yourself to live a blowjob-free life.
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Khii Khwaay]
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the mad machinest said: hey buddy how you doin? you back in the game? in good health and spirits I hope!! 
i'm always in the game, even when i'm out. i'll mine a few spots next year and I have a ride to quartzsite then Tucson assuming it all works out. my black rock city camp leader and girlfriend are going to drive me down to Arizona and sell with me.
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Just saw some angel aura quartz from the site someone listed above, holy crap, wish I could've had some of that on my trips.
Edit: nm, I just saw that it's color enhanced.
I like amethyst though.
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I love stones and completely believe in the energies that they carry. My current favorites are Black Kyanite, Vanadinite, Citrine, Shiva Lingams, and good ol' Clear Quartz. I always prefer the rough stones to the cut or polished ones. I have yet to obtain a Vanadinite specimen, but all the pictures make me drool:
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Larabar]
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Oh, and this guy: Exotic Crystals, has some amazing gems for great prices.
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Larabar]
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i was this book called th emusic lesson by victor wooten, and he talks about how he could meditate on a stone then place in into a circle of other stones and with his eyes closed he could pick his out
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Re: Gemstones and the energies they carry. [Re: Captainpaps]
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That's not hard… if he sits on a rock for half an hour it's going to get warm, the other rocks will be cold.
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the mad machinest said: check out the user mattritt
he's got all kinds of badass stones!!! I actually have some azurite and malachite he sent me to pulverize and make inlay in wooden bracelets but my lathe is broken ATM and I'm sure he's prolly thinkin where is my shit!! 
mattritt if ya read this I promise I ain't forgot about ya brother!! thanks for the awesome trade!!  
btw demonic chronic, we good on that one thing?
Mattritt and I are quite acquanted actually. And what thing? Did you not receive your maitake?
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no I recieved them and they were wonderful!! will be definatly purchasing more in the near future!!!
and about that one thing, I had you mixed up with another member
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