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Psilocybe Azurescens
#19181038 - 11/24/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a question about growing P. Azurescens. Do you think that I could inoculate about 24 Midwest Grow Company pre-made grain jars with a P. Azurescens spore syringe? When the jars are completely colonized, do you think I could inoculate about five 20 lb. bags of Adler wood chips with about 4 or 5 jars of divided up mycelium each? After the bags are colonized, I would like to place them in an outside bed of hardwood chips about 4'x4'x10" deep, cover it with cardboard and let it colonize this spring. Then I'll keep the bed watered in the hot summer months and uncover it in the fall. Then cover it with some sawdust and wait for it to fruit for a few flushes over a few weeks when the temp is good! I live in North Carolina, and I believe the temps are good for mycelial growth in the spring and fruiting in the fall. Then I can add wood chips and get fruit from the same patch over the next few years in the Fall. Does this process sound like it would work to you?
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Dman]
#19181052 - 11/24/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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U got it, but id suggest agar to ensure clean growth as the spores come from a wild fruit
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: cronicr]
#19181254 - 11/24/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not an attempt to hijack your thread but I am putting some allenii spores (fairly same procedure to azur) on agar soon and, from the research I've done, wondered if innocing to 50/50 sterile grain and chips would be better than straight grain?
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Skinty]
#19181286 - 11/24/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could work, the less grain the better, rodents luv that shit
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: cronicr]
#19181503 - 11/24/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: rodents luv that shit
Even when it's colonised by myc, been spawned indoors to bedding, chips etc...colonised and THEN put outside?
First time using woodlovers so don't want to go too off piste but from what I've read a 50/50 grain/chips jar might colonise a lot quicker than 100% grain...might do 2 jars of each or something
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Skinty]
#19181563 - 11/24/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Even when it's colonized they don't give a damn.
I haven't tried going straight to grain so I cannot tell you whether it colonizes slower. I went for the method you describe. I inoculated 4 jars with 2 agar wedges in each, 2 jars with 50/50 wood chips and rye and 2 jars with 50/50 wood chips and whole brown rice, and I must say they colonized quite fast.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Pestile]
#19181565 - 11/24/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pestilence said: Even when it's colonized they don't give a damn.
I haven't tried going straight to grain so I cannot tell you whether it colonizes slower. I went for the method you describe. I inoculated 4 jars with 2 agar wedges in each, 2 jars with 50/50 wood chips and rye and 2 jars with 50/50 wood chips and whole brown rice, and I must say they colonized quite fast.
Think that's what I will roll with. Being a bit lazy here as I'm sure I could search but what is your prep method for the chips to be inoculated?
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Skinty]
#19181576 - 11/24/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm going to soak the chips for 24 hours and pasteurize in jars.  I use a mixture of wood chips and sawdust in sizes from 2-3mm and up.
Edit: For the outdoor bed I'm just going to soak the chips for 24 hours and strain them.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Pestile]
#19181582 - 11/24/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pestilence said: I'm going to soak the chips for 24 hours and pasteurize in jars.  I use a mixture of wood chips and sawdust in sizes from 2-3mm and up.
Edit: For the outdoor bed I'm just going to soak the chips for 24 hours and strain them.
Don't you sterilise the chips for the purpose of innocing in jars?
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Skinty]
#19181593 - 11/24/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The jars I inoculated with the agar wedges had been PC'd for 100 minutes.
This spawn will be used to inoculate wood chips which have only been pasteurized.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Pestile]
#19182014 - 11/24/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok lets get this straight,
sterilize grain like normal and inco the straight grain with no dang woodchips. where did this info come from!!?? 50/50 wood chips. whats the point? grain is easier to consume why would you put in wood chips that need longer sterilization then grain??
this is not rocket science or hard thing to achieve here.
let the grain colonize. when its 100 % done soak some chips in wht ever temp of water floats your boat. rain soaked chips works for me since it takes no effort. now mix the grains in the unsterilzed chips in flowerpots and leave those bastards outdoors. P azurescen or any of the other vigorous woodies will eat that up . keep taking spawn and making new flower pots all year long.
the one issue with fresh azurescen or subaeruginosa or allenii or what ever grain spawn is rats and mice go bananas for that shit. so i stack the pots up and put wire mesh around the bottom holes of the bottommost pot to prevent the fuckers from chewing in and raiding your spawn!
the process takes a good 6 months to 2 years from agar to patch to fruit. so its only for those with patience. 
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psylosymonreturns said: ok lets get this straight,
sterilize grain like normal and inco the straight grain with no dang woodchips. where did this info come from!!?? 50/50 wood chips. whats the point? grain is easier to consume why would you put in wood chips that need longer sterilization then grain??
this is not rocket science or hard thing to achieve here.
let the grain colonize. when its 100 % done soak some chips in wht ever temp of water floats your boat. rain soaked chips works for me since it takes no effort. now mix the grains in the unsterilzed chips in flowerpots and leave those bastards outdoors. P azurescen or any of the other vigorous woodies will eat that up . keep taking spawn and making new flower pots all year long.
the one issue with fresh azurescen or subaeruginosa or allenii or what ever grain spawn is rats and mice go bananas for that shit. so i stack the pots up and put wire mesh around the bottom holes of the bottommost pot to prevent the fuckers from chewing in and raiding your spawn!
the process takes a good 6 months to 2 years from agar to patch to fruit. so its only for those with patience.  
So I take it you don't spawn to bedding / straw / chips in a tub inside before transplanting
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Skinty]
#19182253 - 11/24/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Skinty said:
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psylosymonreturns said: ok lets get this straight,
sterilize grain like normal and inco the straight grain with no dang woodchips. where did this info come from!!?? 50/50 wood chips. whats the point? grain is easier to consume why would you put in wood chips that need longer sterilization then grain??
this is not rocket science or hard thing to achieve here.
let the grain colonize. when its 100 % done soak some chips in wht ever temp of water floats your boat. rain soaked chips works for me since it takes no effort. now mix the grains in the unsterilzed chips in flowerpots and leave those bastards outdoors. P azurescen or any of the other vigorous woodies will eat that up . keep taking spawn and making new flower pots all year long.
the one issue with fresh azurescen or subaeruginosa or allenii or what ever grain spawn is rats and mice go bananas for that shit. so i stack the pots up and put wire mesh around the bottom holes of the bottommost pot to prevent the fuckers from chewing in and raiding your spawn!
the process takes a good 6 months to 2 years from agar to patch to fruit. so its only for those with patience.  
So I take it you don't spawn to bedding / straw / chips in a tub inside before transplanting 
nah fuck that. unless your going to be having freezing temps for like 3-6 months a year then you would benefit from bringing things in the garage. but if your like me, and you only have a few weeks here and there of freeze, then my stuff stays outdoors assimilating to the enviroment. then you dont need to sterilize the chips if its all outside as well.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Skinty]
#19182273 - 11/24/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was under the impression it went like agar -> grain -> sterilized wood chips -> non-sterilized wood chips
and thought I could shorten the path by combining the grain and sterilized wood chips, which when colonized I would mix with pasteurized wood chips.
I actually did try an outdoor flower pot with spawn and soaked wood chips, but that did not work for me so I have switched to using microboxes indoors with pasteurized wood chips. At least until I have a reasonable amount of spawn to try with. I did buy 4 clay pots for the purpose of buffing up my spawn, so might as well put them to work and try it out.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Pestile]
#19182817 - 11/24/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey you can go ahead and sterilize chips if you want it wont hurt anything. But I have P allenii, P azurescen,P subaeruginosa, P weraroa, P ovoid ,P quebecensis and P serbica in pots ouside that say you dont have to bother. 
What i try to get across is this stuff is very forgiving and not the huge deal peeps make it out to be. This kind of myc wants to grow, you dont have to do much.
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Nice pots with mushrooms.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: spore baby]
#19183642 - 11/24/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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spore baby said: Nice pots with mushrooms.
Not just any mushrooms, but p azurescens.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Dman]
#19183816 - 11/24/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck Midwest. Doing it yourself is cheaper and pretty simple. I don't know too much about growing azzies, as they do not grow wild here. Unless Midwest is now doing jars with sawdust instead of BRF these days, you'd be inoculating just BRF and verm, and whatever other "secret ingredient" crap they put in there. I'm gathering that you don't have a PC? The easiest way of going about this is to inoculate grain and sprinkle it around in the dirt outside.
We were just talking about this somewhere here yesterday, weren't we?
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BittrBuffalo said:
We were just talking about this somewhere here yesterday, weren't we?
yep, almost identicaly too lol, and we probly will again in the next day or too, and just to clarify the op said he' got grain jars
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psylosymonreturns said: Hey you can go ahead and sterilize chips if you want it wont hurt anything. But I have P allenii, P azurescen,P subaeruginosa, P weraroa, P ovoid ,P quebecensis and P serbica in pots ouside that say you dont have to bother. 
What i try to get across is this stuff is very forgiving and not the huge deal peeps make it out to be. This kind of myc wants to grow, you dont have to do much.
Do you inoculate your grain with a syringe or agar?
I didn't know Midwest sold grain jars. Oh well, fuck them anyway.
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I either inco the grain with either agar wedges or an LC.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Dman]
#19184990 - 11/24/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah, I'm just gonna do 6 PF jars, then sterilize 6 spawn bags of about 3-5 lbs. of Alder wood chips each. Then use the 6 bags to colonize my 4'x4'x10" bed of a mixture of 25 lbs. Oak chips; 10 lbs. Alder chips; and about 10 lbs. of hardwood sawdust from hardwood heating fuel pellets. That way the ratio of spawn to substrate is HIGH for SUCCESS (30%+, or a 1:3 ratio)! I'm gonna line the bed with cardboard, poke a few holes in it, lay down the hardwood substrate mixture, cover the top of it with the spawn, cover that with cardboard, make sure it's wet enough, and let it colonize!! Then I'll keep it watered through the summer, take the cardboard off at the beginning of fall. Cover the whole thing with a 1" casing layer of sphangum moss (with a handful of grass seeds on top). Should FRUIT when temps get down to between 40 an 50 degrees F. for a few consistent days!!!
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Dman]
#19185135 - 11/25/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The only way to get first year fruits is to keep it small and it helps to contain the patch with bricks or something. What really helps with the eary fruits is to dig a hole and place a whole solid block as a "heart block" as I call them. then make the patch over top mixxing the spawn and chips. This makes killer patches. Ive had fruits in 6 months with P allenii and P azurescen using this tactic.
Planting grass seed or ferns or strawberries is a good idea. Grass is especially good!
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BittrBuffalo said: I didn't know Midwest sold grain jars. Oh well, fuck them anyway.
They don't. It's a major problem with OP's plan.
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Psilicon]
#19186330 - 11/25/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats what I thought he was doing--inoculating BRF jars with azzie spores, right? I think psillysimon is right, OP should make his life a lot easier and do it psillysimon's way, especially because he's actually done it successfully. I've heard that it's really not worth attempting to do indoor wood lovers, especially when it can easily be done outside.
So, this heart block you speak of--how do you make that?
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A heart block is when you take a fully colonized ,say , bag or flower pot or bucket of chip spawn , and instead of breaking it up and mixxing , you keep it fully intact. Then you dig a hole 6-8 inches down in the soil and put the whole block in the hole. Then you make the patch over top of the heart block ,mixxing spawn and chips like normal.
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Do you use wood chips rather than grain spawn?
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Yes I make patches with chip spawn. Like I said, rodents go apeshit for magic grains. So I mix grain spawn and chips in flower pots stacked up and protected from the mice, then when they are colonized you can make patches with that fresh chip spawn. If you put grains in the ground its hard to protect them, things WILL steal them.
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I figured. Those must be some high-ass rodents.
Kinda like the damn deer that keep eating all the Amanita muscaria around here...dicks.
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Ya man, I had a serious battle this year with the little bastards.
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Is that really all there is to it?  Mix some chips and spawn, load it into flower pots, put them outside and that's that?
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Pestile]
#19191596 - 11/26/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya well you can make it as easy or elaborate as you choose. But I like the whole George Foreman grill mentality. Set that shit and forget it.
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Will do! 
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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens [Re: Pestile]
#19191688 - 11/26/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No problem man.
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psylosymonreturns said: Yes I make patches with chip spawn. Like I said, rodents go apeshit for magic grains. So I mix grain spawn and chips in flower pots stacked up and protected from the mice, then when they are colonized you can make patches with that fresh chip spawn. If you put grains in the ground its hard to protect them, things WILL steal them.
So you figure that is a better / easier way than doing some grain to chips indoor thing...is that because you don't pasteurise yr outdoor chips but you would need to in an indoor tub
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