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Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [UPDATE: AFTER 3 FAILED ATTEMPTS]
#19179070 - 11/23/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey starting my first grow using penis envy spores in water from a syringe, using popcorn to colonize. Ill give u a lil background on what ive done. Not the most conventional way went with the flow the whole way through but i already have growth after 6 days of geting nocc'd up which i find surprising after all i have read about PE being so slow to colonize. Iwater soaked the popcorn for 3 days. Too long i know, but something always came up when i was going to start the simmering. I chnaged the water every day of the soak tho. When i got the chance to simmer i changed the water again, and simmered for 90 mins, then drained, did not rinse after just laid on towel folded over and but it in my closet for about 12 hours. i jarr'd them up then steam sterilized for 90 mins. dumpped water out of pot nd stored the pot with jars in them over night then nocc'd them up with 1cc of spore solution in one self healing injection port in the middle of the lid, then i placed them in a black rubbermaid "incubator" at a steady 82 degrees fahrenheit. The first 2 pics are after 6 days from jar 1.


The second set of pictures are of both jars after 9 days.




Waddya think?!?!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19179106 - 11/23/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not a pro by any means, but that looks like mold, not myc. I'd wait to hear someone's advice who is a little more experienced than myself but the best of luck regardless!
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did you shake the jars after the 1cc injection?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Rubestoad]
#19179119 - 11/23/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yup...i shook a bit after
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89] 1
#19179143 - 11/23/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well that explains the multiple germ points all over. so yeah its myc good luck with it
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Rubestoad]
#19179170 - 11/23/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sweet, thanks Rubes! feels very reassuring to get a 2nd opinion. checked them today n i can see the myc thickening up almost in like a snowflake pattern. at the beginning i really thought it was mold or something cause it showed up so early and from what ive read was that p.e. takes a long time to colonize. how long should i wait to do a second shake? should i do one at all?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19179185 - 11/23/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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most peeps here say only shake once and do that at 30%.
but it looks like you got a nice spread of germ points so i wouldnt shake again as long as it keeps growing good. popcorn is a fast colonizer but its not the best grains according to most TC's here.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19179200 - 11/23/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't aware that stream sterilazation of any grain would prevent contamination. Your growth looks really thin but its white which is a good sign. I have never used popcorn before and would think after leaving it in water soaking for 3 days they of sprouted. Any good luck to you. What's your plan if they make it to 100% colonization? Case, bulk, ect? And about PE being slow, its colonizes average speed it just takes forever to fruit.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: shroomnub4u]
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: shroomnub4u]
#19179327 - 11/23/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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shroomnub4u said: I wasn't aware that stream sterilazation of any grain would prevent contamination. Your growth looks really thin but its white which is a good sign. I have never used popcorn before and would think after leaving it in water soaking for 3 days they of sprouted. Any good luck to you. What's your plan if they make it to 100% colonization? Case, bulk, ect? And about PE being slow, its colonizes average speed it just takes forever to fruit.
im not sure yet. either doing the 50/50 verm coco mix and filling the rubbermaid with that...i think thats doing a bulk substrate right? i just want to do whatever will produce the most LOL... and if casing is filling a baking pan with the 50/50 mix and the colonized popcorn and fillling the rubbermaid with about 4 inches of perlite, that could be another option too. i think that the first option would produce more right, since there is more surface area for the myc to keep on growing? sorry for the noob dialog lol
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19179364 - 11/23/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good job dude, Im a fan of popcorn also. I use almost the same tek as you, I just add a high phosphorous fertilizer to my water during the soak, which I do for 48 hours. I also boil with fresh water/fertilizer plus a cup of half strength coffee and a pinch of gypsum.
That looks just like myc I see in my jars. Good luck with the PE! I have a PE6 on agar I meant to put on popcorn but I moved to RGS and dont use popcorn anymore.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Zombi3]
#19180063 - 11/23/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: Good job dude, Im a fan of popcorn also. I use almost the same tek as you, I just add a high phosphorous fertilizer to my water during the soak, which I do for 48 hours. I also boil with fresh water/fertilizer plus a cup of half strength coffee and a pinch of gypsum.
That looks just like myc I see in my jars. Good luck with the PE! I have a PE6 on agar I meant to put on popcorn but I moved to RGS and dont use popcorn anymore.
Respect! yea i might try the rye grain later on, popcorn is just easy minimum smell when preppping it to, idk if rye smells when prepping. Question my incubator rig is just a plastic bucket with a lid full of water and a fish tank heater set at 86... ambient temps in the incubator are at 82-84. is this good? i notice a bit of condensation on the sides of the rubbermaid, but nothing to drenched...idk how humidity should be during incubating? my lids have self healing ports and tyvek breathing hole
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19180096 - 11/23/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use no extra humidity during colonizing. I have my jars in an empty desk drawer with a semi efficient heat pad that holds the temperature at at 76-82. Im going to be honest I dont know what the optimal temp for colonizing is, those are just the temps I use. I was doing my popcorn in plastic ziploc 450ml containers with no modified lid.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Zombi3]
#19182133 - 11/24/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys don't want your jars reaching 86 or higher. Mycellium stalls and contaminants thrive at that upper range.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: clueless] 1
#19182205 - 11/24/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.
P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years. Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger. RR
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19182419 - 11/24/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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matteo89 said: Iwater soaked the popcorn for 3 days. Too long i know, but something always came up when i was going to start the simmering. I chnaged the water every day of the soak tho. When i got the chance to simmer i changed the water again, and simmered for 90 mins, then drained, did not rinse after just laid on towel folded over and but it in my closet for about 12 hours. i jarr'd them up then steam sterilized for 90 mins.
I don't like the sound of this. I only used popcorn half a dozen times but, I found that the large grain size and high endospore count meant that I needed to PC it for a minimum of 2 hours or I'd end up with bacteria. A 90 min steam sterilization is a bad idea for any grain, but for popcorn its terrible. Hopefully it works out for ya but, I would get started on a new project right away just in case.
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matteo89 said: im not sure yet. either doing the 50/50 verm coco mix and filling the rubbermaid with that...i think thats doing a bulk substrate right?
I'm surprised Hacker didn't jump all over this. Damion5050's mix is nowhere near 50/50, more like 30/70. Yes that would be a bulk substrate.
Good luck OP, hopefully you beat the odds and see some fruits
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19184034 - 11/24/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I got a handfull of PE my first go. Just follow the tek you choose and listen to good growers. every problem I had had is because I didn't follow the tek!!! search - read - read - search some more - read archives - search - read - repeat haha
if you want to see someones skills that doesnt have a trusted cultivator tag click their names. On next page scroll down and click main threads only. look through their threads and look at their grows. notahacker and pasty grow killer flushes.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Smeagol]
#19186438 - 11/25/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Update 11 days after getting nocc'd up


Some crazy growth right here

bottoms of both jars:


AS you can see the jar on the left is growing alot more plentiful then the jar on the right. rubestoad said i shouldnt shake cause there are alot of germ points, and i agree at least for the jar on the rihgt, but what about the one on the left? would shaking it speed the colonization a bit faster? lemme know how things are looking.
im no pro but this is the first time i see myc growing in person and it looks like ALOOT to me lol
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19186442 - 11/25/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shake both.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: PussyFart]
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: PussyFart]
#19187528 - 11/25/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Shake both.
shake it gently? enough to loosen it up? shake vigourously?? lol dont want to stunn anything
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89] 2
#19187544 - 11/25/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shake it like it cheated on you.
Shake it like it owes you money.
I shake mine like maracas.....
Seriously tho, shake them until every grain is separated....
It will look like the mycellium disappeared...until it recovers in 24-72 hours.....
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: PussyFart]
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: tripdawg420]
#19187642 - 11/25/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you know i was always much better at using Windows paint to create masterpieces, than i was at using popcorn as spawn.. good to see someones partial success never the less!!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Josh.0]
#19188875 - 11/25/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i shook the SHIT-ake out of them (1st and last pun!!) will post an update when i see some changes
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19196353 - 11/27/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19200881 - 11/28/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!! real thankful for any and all input offered in this thread!!
Just an update on how they looked this morning, its looking real nice for all i know. The other jar is still a little slower then the one with all the prominent growth but i have faith in it. How long would u expect for it to be 100%? i want to make sure i start the substrate as soon as i need to to not let these jars go for to long. I think im just going to use damions tek, its simple and easy to prepare. Anyone input on if i should use gypsum or not? i figured since popcorn isnt the best grain already and im growing PE the extra nutrients would really be beneficial, although damion states that he doesnt use any...?! ill post probably tomorrow a few specs of where i plan to fruit them and any help with the assembly of a fruiting chamber would be a great help. Cheers y'all enjoy all the festivities!!

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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19200911 - 11/28/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you got gypsum chuck a handfull in there
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: cronicr]
#19200963 - 11/28/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're gonna do a bucket TEK, use water between 175-180F, not boiling.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19204811 - 11/29/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is how they are loooking this morning. this it the bin i want to use to fruit in. http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70102972/#/30102974
I had spray painted it black for when it still needs to be kept in the dark. im just worried that the jars will be colonizing for too long... can any one give an input as to how long these jars look like they can go for? i still need to buy some cococoir, would a reptile or exotic animal pet store be my best bet? i saw that homedepot had some sort of coco peat moss thing a while ago but idk about home depot, everytime i go to look for something they never have it in stock. any advice will really help!!

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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19204833 - 11/29/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Never messed with popcorn but the way they look it's gonna be awhile before there ready
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: NOTFALL3N]
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19225902 - 12/04/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Update:
Myc is consistently thinkineing up, alot more knotting has been seen, all in all looks good. Ill post pics later for anyone interested
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19229240 - 12/04/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here are the jars as of today..its been 20 days since inoculation Jar 1:


Jar 2:


Heres a pic of the lid for anyone curious

How am i doing? you think i can have these going until next thursday? its finals week for me -____-
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19229738 - 12/05/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're definitely fully colonized, just leave them alone and you can use them whenever you'd like. If you have to wait a long time, be sure to dunk your grains before you spawn to bulk!! I forgot to do this on my tub and am suffering, plus I shook too much, so just leave til you have everything.
I bought my first 3 brick pack of coir at petsmart in the reptile section for 10 bux.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: KnownPown]
#19244186 - 12/08/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys im having a tough time locating coco coir at a store. i live in the US, florida actually, if anyone can chime in on any idea where i coulld go to pick some up. KnownPown i looked up the petsmart website and they didnt have any in listed, should i just go to the store and itll most likely be there? i really want to case with coco and verm, ive seen alot of good grows of PE done like this, especially after adding a layer of casing ontop of the substrate to prevent blobs forming. What about peat moss, could that be used to, any suggestions? My second option would be to just buy a brick, but ill probably get it by the end of the week, and idk if i want to keep the jars so long. Just to weigh my options, i could also just lay perlite in the top with multiple FAE holes and place the colonized substrate into baking trays and case with a verm, but if i do the bulk casing i just add about 6 2-4 inch holes filled with polyfill. lemme kno on any tips please, ive made it this far and the jars are both looking 100% or almost there, i dont want to mess up, and im sure i can produce some fruits cause my conditions are pretty optimal as of now. if anyone is interested, ill post pics of the jars with the myc and rhyizo looking realy good.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#19244318 - 12/08/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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matteo89 said: im sure i can produce some fruits cause my conditions are pretty optimal as of now.
Take your time, and get some coir and verm if that is really what you want. Just about any big chain pet store SHOULD have eco earth coir. If not, there are plenty of places on the web that will ship.
As for creating a fruiting chamber, with 2 quarts of spawn you may want to look at a "Mini-mono". 2 qt spawn + 4-6qt of "bulk substrate" should be optimal. Most people stick with a 20-30% vermiculite. Proper moisture of the bulk substrate is 100% critical. Too much moisture is much worse than not enough however. With a small mono, you will need to mist a bit because the small substrate will be prone to drying out more than a larger one.
Frank Horrigan has a great write up on monotubs. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163
His links provide all sorts of great info on creating the best conditions.
Ill explain my mini-monos a bit for you.
I regular spawn 1-2 quarts to mini-monos. I use a "shoebox" tub which is a 6qt plastic tote with a lid. I generally spawn 1 quart to a bit over 3 quarts "bulk" in these, and always case with a 50/50% mix of verm/sphagnum peat.
Everything should be pasteurized between 140-160 for an hour, but no more than 2. IIRC The aforementioned link has better info than my explanation. (Simple coir substrate prep)
Finding a fruiting chamber then for your tub(s) is a great idea. I found that I can fit 2 of my shoeboxes into ONE 66qt monotub. I use 2" holes, but they probally could be as small as 1-1/2".
Ill plug a link for a mini-mono I had a few months ago. I am not telling you at all to use sawdust, but am providing this link as my first hand observation of a small tub, and the daily maintenance. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18840073
2 of these shoeboxes in a larger fruiting chamber will keep higher humidity and dry out slower than a single one, based on the volume.
Hope that helps you in the right direction and is coherent.
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YESS!! thanks Whippy!! this is what i was talking about when i meant casing the substrate, i had read this but was to hiigh to bookmark it or anything lol. FrankHorrigan's tek is what i was planning on following. OK, so my tub that i want to fruit in is 12 gallons so 48 qts. is the two jars i have going to be good enough to do a full monotub? like will the spawn:substrate ratio be good to produce a good strong brick? or would the little trays work best with the amount of spawn i have?
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matteo89 said: YESS!! thanks Whippy!! this is what i was talking about when i meant casing the substrate, i had read this but was to hiigh to bookmark it or anything lol. FrankHorrigan's tek is what i was planning on following. OK, so my tub that i want to fruit in is 12 gallons so 48 qts. is the two jars i have going to be good enough to do a full monotub? like will the spawn:substrate ratio be good to produce a good strong brick? or would the little trays work best with the amount of spawn i have?
I would not go farther than mixing 4 quarts TOTAL of bulk PER quart of spawn. Other variables are "depth" of the substrate. There have been quotes from trusted cultivators stating that a depth over 2" but not more than 4". There is quite a bit of information about this, and some cultivators swear there is no difference between 2" and 4". I don't have enough documentation to discredit/prove any of this.
I have learned quite a bit through others about this forum. Users like TrancendingLife, Frank Horrigan and Notahacker420 ALL have great writeups (much better than mine for sure).
So with 2 quarts of spawn I would not use more than 6 quarts of coir and 2 quarts of vermiculite. Spawn ratio is critical for colonization. You need to have it 100% colonized within 14 days, or statistics will start to show you contamination. It becomes a math problem that you will have to decide.
How many quarts does it take to fill your tub 2-4 inches. You should stay within a 4 parts bulk to 1 part spawn OR LESS. Less would be better, because it will colonize faster, and get you a solid mass of contaminant resist mycelium, and directly into fruiting faster.
Terminology:
Casing: Non-nutritious: Generally Sphagnum Peat + verm. Most current uses of "casing" involve using it as a "topper" to your bulk substrate. Frank_Horrigan did a very interesting study on casing with the "PE" strain, and I HIGHLY recommend it to you as it could be quite relevant. One could mix their grain with nothing more than Peat/verm. This is called "cased grain". It is also a proven method, though most agree that it will not preform as well as coir/verm.
Bulk: Semi nutritious: Coir/Straw/horsepoo etc. These are substrates that will contaminate easily, however if they are pasteurized they will also become colonized readily by your hungry mycelium.
Common acceptance is that "Casing" layer is unnecessary for cubes, and though I agree, I have never done a cube grow without. It cannot hurt. I am quite active with portabellos in the spring, and they require casing for a number of reasons. It only seems natural to me to do it that way.
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Hey this was the only stuff i could find around my area, any comments or concerns to this kind of coco coir? its not compressed but the description matches pretty well, but the pieces look alot more coarser then some of the coco coir if seen around the threads
http://www.vetinternetco.com/reptiles/substrate-bedding/coco-soft-reptile-bedding-4qt?gclid=CJ_a_t24prsCFUsV7Aodd3oADA
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matteo89 said: Hey this was the only stuff i could find around my area, any comments or concerns to this kind of coco coir? its not compressed but the description matches pretty well, but the pieces look alot more coarser then some of the coco coir if seen around the threads
http://www.vetinternetco.com/reptiles/substrate-bedding/coco-soft-reptile-bedding-4qt?gclid=CJ_a_t24prsCFUsV7Aodd3oADA
yea that works its just alot more expensive..
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matteo89 said: Hey this was the only stuff i could find around my area, any comments or concerns to this kind of coco coir? its not compressed but the description matches pretty well, but the pieces look alot more coarser then some of the coco coir if seen around the threads
http://www.vetinternetco.com/reptiles/substrate-bedding/coco-soft-reptile-bedding-4qt?gclid=CJ_a_t24prsCFUsV7Aodd3oADA
Well it's anti-microbial so that's probably good. I got loose coir at the pet store so I wouldn't have to soak the bricks. It was a little more expensive. But it was fine and not large pieces like what you there.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: happygolucky]
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Hello everyone, so i finally got my hand on some coco coir. I ended up using 4 quarts of the coco coir and 2 quarts as Whippy had helped me understand, along with the 2 quarts of popcorn spawn. I pasteurized in jars through Frank Horrigans instructions. I basically followed all his tuts. I also soaked the popcorn for 30 mins after a quick shake. The substrate wasnt as tall as i wanted it to be. I was shooting for 2 inches but its at about 1.6-1.75 inches. I bought jiffy quick seed starter mix to do a casing layer per Frank Horrigans 50/50+ case mix write up. Here are some pics of the fruiting set up.

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Good luck!!! Im knocking up 24 popcorn jars with a RedSpore MS tomorrow! Will be spawning them to mono's as well!
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Thanks! best of luck. really liked working with popcorn, lets just hope the results compare haha. How many mono's are u going to do with the 24 jars? how big are your tubs?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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16qt tubs, Ill get 4 monos this run. I will spawn 6 jars to each, 1:1 ratio using same sub as you. My jars are only 250ml cuz my PC is small. Doing another 72 jars this weekend, spawning to another 6 monos. Some more redspore, some pan cincts (cakes not pcorn), and a random cube print I have thats labeled blue meanie, Ive never heard of a blue meanie cube...
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Zombi3]
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Just an update of whats been going on. This is 4 days after being spawned to 4 parts coco 2 parts verm, and 1/2 part spent coffe grounds.

Temps are in between 74-80...um idk what else to write, if any one has questions feel free to ask. Hows it looking?
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i'd be expecting side pins but it looks good
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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matteo89,
Looking pretty good. As long as your sub isn't too thick you will be fine.
I tried the same thing with 100% poo and at 14" deep and it didn't produce well. Looked great at first but ended up with a contam. This isn't recommended and was a long time ago.
With your sub, and sub thickness, I'm expecting great things.
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Looking pretty good. As long as your sub isn't too thick you will be fine.
I tried the same thing with 100% poo and at 14" deep and it didn't produce well. Looked great at first but ended up with a contam. This isn't recommended and was a long time ago.
With your sub, and sub thickness, I'm expecting great things.

Really aprreciate the kind words, im in awe of how smooth its been going since its my first run, so im basically letting them do their own work. I was planning on doing a casing layer just howw FrankHorrigan wrote up, and later today im going to place some sub along the walls where the myc is growing onto the bag. somewhere in one of Frank's write ups he talks about how it helps to grow an even level of fruits or with sidepinning, i forgot why he did it but im gonna do it haha, so cronicr keep an eye out for that.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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i will do bud! great stuff glad to see it worked out for ya and you kept us updated
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: cronicr]
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Here we are at 90% colonizationi would say on xmas day. Will be pasteurizing the casing layer tonite, and hopefully casing tomorrow morning. Again im using Frank Horrigan's write ups as i continue on till fruiting. Its been an excelllent guide throughout this whole process, and i owe it to him and everyone that has put in their kind input along the way. PE is my favorite strand so i hope to be just as useful in sharing knowledge on this strain just as well as Frank has helped me out. Any questions, concerns, advice, feel free to post away.
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Looking good man keep it up
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keep it up, try not to peek till its fully colonized
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keep it up, try not to peek till its fully colonized
And how exactly do you know when that is without looking?
I usually give my tubs 2 days, then Ill crack the lid just enough to look and make sure it's still clean and to watch for 100% colonization about once a day, maybe every other day if it's a little cold.
If your spawn was clean and your pasteurization was good it won't be a problem.
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i leave them 7days at least, after 7days i check whats the story its not gonna colonize in two days  i try not to disturb the tub during colonization
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Aero]
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Woke up to this this morning. Pretty bummed out. Im pretty sure its trich. IDK what could have gone wrong, if anyone can chime in. Personally i think i might have pasteurized the casing for too long, making temps go to high around 180-190. If anyone can give me more input. Ive read that you can dig out the affected area, aand cure with some salt and H2O2. Should i bother or just dump it all? regardless it was all a learning experience, and i have enough of everything to give it another go.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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Yuck!
Toss that asap.
From what I read above, you had an addition of coffee grounds. This was probably the culprit coupled with the your admission of overheating your casing. If you add anything other than coir and verm, it becomes imperative to be very perfect with your pasteurization. Coffee is a very tricky substance to add to substrates. Every time I have mess with it, I got the green. It can throw off colonization temps (Frank horrigan reported in his coffee experiments that tubs were very warm that had coffee).
It is entirely possible that the trich had started prior to your casing also. Trich loves coffee.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: tripdawg420]
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Damn I was hoping for good news it was looking so good. Best of luck on the next try!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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Hello again!
A while back I tried my first 12 gallon mono but failed to green trich right after casing. Since thenni figured iut my mistakes, did 2 more attempts but failed. I cleaned up my methods, practiced more sterilized techniques, and keptnit simple this timee.
This time around, I had about 3 qts of popcorn spawn, 4 qts coir 2 qts verm n a couple pinches of gypsum(rehydrated plastor of paris then ground to no larger then a rice kernal. I followed frank harrigans pastuerizing tek and its been 3 days. Everything smells fresh, mushroomy, and earthy. Once its 100% I will case with 4qts verm, peat moss, lime, gympsum (quikstart soil mix). Im hoping for good results as ive been very strict with my pasteurizing temps and sterilization.


Edit: The strain is PE
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Hello, its been 7 days since colonization started and this is what it looks like as of today. I have some concerns that I circled in red that I was hoping someone could voice my concerns. Optimistically im hoping its just some metabolites that the myc can take over easily, but im just not too sure, as everything else looks good besides these two dots. It doesnt really look like trich to me, but again cant to so certain. Could grabbing some tweezers soaked in alcohol to pinch these two bits off be a possibility? anyways thanks for the help.. btw as for my next step, as soon as I see 100% colonization I plan on casing.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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Metabolites are produced from myc (please correct me if I am wrong) and appear as a yellow liquid or "myc piss"
Unfortunately if that is green, it is mold.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: shroomiedoo22]
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This is what it looks like on day 8 of colonizing.. will be pasteurizing casing layer (jiffy start mix + gypsum) and casing either tomorrow or tomorrow night, hoping to be fruiting by next week
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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That is super bacterial... Good luck with that.
How many popcorn failures is this now? Have you considered... not using popcorn?
Just looked back through this thread. Have you been failing at this for over a year, using popcorn the entire time?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Inocuole]
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Sigh....yes. Tbh its all just been experimental fun(total n00b). My main goal was to just see some fruits be produced. I already know my main mistake is no PC, but I wanted to see if I could work around that by making sure my grain steam sterilization was long and thorough.
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matteo89 said: Sigh....yes. The its all just been experimental fun(total n00b). My main goal was to just see some fruits be produced. I already know my main mistake is no PC, but I wanted to see if I could work around that by making sure my grain steam sterilization was long and thorough.
If you didn't have a PC, popcorn was the worst choice with the smallest chance of success. Loaded with endospores and a large grain size means a 8 hour steam would probably not have cut the mustard, 10-12 would have been better.
Despite what some people believe there is a certain minimum of procedure that must be followed to have success. Experiments are usually done when the results are in question. There is pretty much zero doubts about what steaming popcorn is going to achieve. Get a cheap PC, get some cheap grain (popcorn is expensive) and get yourself some fruits.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
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I was looking last night, the cheapest PC I found large enough to do the amount of jars for a grow the size of my preference was almost 80 bucks..ill have to safe up and get that before I attempt anything else. I also plan to try wbs as I have noticed the most results from what I have read.
Even tho the chances of this run working out are slim, what woild be the best move to try and get some sort of flush: to case then fruit or just fruit once this looks 100%
Edit: hey pasty, I just read through your mini monos n loved it!!!! can I ask what type of sub youve been using for them? ive been using Frank Horrigans methods, can they be applied to your mini monos?
I may attempt to do pf tek with ur mini monos just to keep my self busy until I can get a PC
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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Don't waste your time doing grains without a PC. If you cannot afford a PC I'm afraid you're stuck doing pf tek.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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With my mini monos you can use any bulk sub you like. Its the same principle as the big monos just less sub and less spawn. 8-10 cakes will be plenty of spawn for 3 quarts of sub
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Just buy a cheap PC. eBay is your friend. http://r.ebay.com/eH7HZp
I use a.similar one. These do around 10-11psi. Just PC your grains for 2hrs and u are fine.. And also. Forget about corn. Its a shit spawn. Work with rye or wbs
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Aero]
#21057369 - 01/02/15 04:38 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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how many jars can you fit in there aero?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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I use 720ml jars and I can fit 4 of those
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Aero]
#21057478 - 01/02/15 05:07 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Not bad, thats roughly how much grain goes into my quart jars anyways so this could workout better. Are they like jam jars, with the twist on caps?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Aero]
#21058920 - 01/02/15 11:38 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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80$ vs time wasted
Hmmmmm....
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21058960 - 01/02/15 11:50 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Haha nice man cool mycelium structure!! Corn makes cool rhizomorphic mycelium growth IMO. I've got some going now.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: impatientguy]
#21058977 - 01/02/15 11:55 PM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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impatientguy said: Haha nice man cool mycelium structure!! Corn makes cool rhizomorphic mycelium growth IMO. I've got some going now.
That's only because the nutes In corn are less accessable and the myc has to span greater distance between the larger grains. Rhizo growth is overrated and is only indicitive of how many nutes are accessible.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21059013 - 01/03/15 12:10 AM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Get off your high horse I just commented about how cool I though it looked. It looks nice.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: impatientguy] 1
#21059033 - 01/03/15 12:19 AM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'm not on a high horse. I'm explaining why it's doing that. Most people come here to learn something, including thousands of people who just lurk and never get accounts. Its more for their benefit that I try to explain shit since noobs these days seem to know everything already 
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21059046 - 01/03/15 12:25 AM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Seemed a little snotty towards me but whatever.
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#21059063 - 01/03/15 12:31 AM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Dude I'm not here to sugarcoat things. I bring information. If ya want a handjob and your ego pumped go to the pub. Really if ya think I'm snotty you can consider yourself lucky it was me that commented, many others would have delivered a series of
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21059089 - 01/03/15 12:46 AM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Wow dude if you read my original post all I said was it was cool looking that was it. Idk why you even responded to it. I never asked for your information you prick. And I didn't put out any bad information either. so like I said get off your damn high horse. There's no reason to be a douche.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: spacechildo]
#21059108 - 01/03/15 12:55 AM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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we could do this all day but there isn't any reason to be a dick.
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impatientguy said: Get off your high horse I just commented about how cool I though it looked. It looks nice.
You said it looked cool and he explained why it looks the way it does. Sounds like you need to check yourself.
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I know you never asked for info. But I put it out there anyway and I did it with no malice or disrespect to your initial post either. I did so because there is often lots of confusion regarding what significance there is when the myc forms a rhizomorphic structure. I never said you put out bad info, my post didn't even take the form of a correction. You got butthurt for zero reason. My last post was designed to show what being a dick would have been. Maybe you can't tell the difference.
Regardless I don't feel like turning this into a load of hurt. My apologies if my attempt at explaining why myc tends to take a rhyzomorphic structure on large and difficult to penetrate grains like corn hurt your feelings. But you should grow up a bit. This is a place of learning and I won't feel bad in the slightest if your ego suffers cause I explained something.
Anyway we are off topic here. I'm not on a horse FYI, I'm actually on a couch
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21059123 - 01/03/15 01:03 AM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Whatever man your first post was pissy towards me and you know it there's no reason to be that way. Be a decent human being.
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impatientguy said: Whatever man your first post was pissy towards me and you know it there's no reason to be that way. Be a decent human being.
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impatientguy said: Haha nice man cool mycelium structure!! Corn makes cool rhizomorphic mycelium growth IMO. I've got some going now.
That's only because the nutes In corn are less accessable and the myc has to span greater distance between the larger grains. Rhizo growth is overrated and is only indicitive of how many nutes are accessible.
Really? That's being pissy? Wow. Here I thought i was just sharing a tidbit of info that you might find interesting given your asthetic appreciation of the form. I'm done then. Again my apologies for being "pissy"
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how the *** is it possible to get your feelings hurt by someone who explained why rhizo's appear?
stop whining, re-read the stuff and have a laugh. you're FAR off here duder!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: spacechildo]
#21059210 - 01/03/15 01:43 AM (9 years, 28 days ago) |
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Knock it off impatient
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: cronicr]
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Some nice additions to the thread while I was away, I see.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Inocuole]
#21065473 - 01/04/15 11:42 AM (9 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks for sharing the info pasty, I learned something new.
So as of today I just cased. The substrste depth ended up being a little under 3 inches for a 12 gallon tub so im hoping things are in the right conditions. casing layer was pasteurized for an hour between 140 and 160, cooled over night. Heres how things are looking. I plan to as soon as I see any myc popping through to be placed immediately into fruiting. My tub holes are 2 inches wide.
I know many dont expect for this to go far, but im staying positive that I may get at least one little fruit and at this point that is a success for me.

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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: impatientguy]
#21065513 - 01/04/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 26 days ago) |
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More like sensitiveguy
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: harryskinflap]
#21065538 - 01/04/15 11:57 AM (9 years, 26 days ago) |
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thanks harry!... maybe now that we got the bad vibes out ahem:: impatient:: ahem, this grow will flourish hahaha...im taking any positive notes i can
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21080671 - 01/07/15 01:01 AM (9 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hey ya'll
So everything is looking A-Okay. ive peaked once today and I just see mild growth along the edges and very scarce along the center. I judt wanted to show you all how my light is setup and where my tub is and to see if it just looks good. Maybe im just trying to cover all my bases, but im just trying to create the most optimum conditions.
I want to note that the container I purchased has a black lid which I plan to purchase the clear version of the lid tomorrow along with my polyfill and a cfl light @6400k. I introduced this light today, and although the lid is black, a mild amount of light penetrates the lid. Im aware that this may be doing nothing as of now if not just introducing my mono to some light. I have the light really close due to the black lid but when I change it to the clear I will raised it about 12 inches away. Should a 12/12 light cycle be maintained from here on out? potentially to the 2nd 3rd flushes? I know some may say that light is not essential, but thriugh my research ive noted that it does increase the size, as well as caps. Alright will chime back in once I begin my fruiting, cheers!!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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I wouldn't worry about moving the light further away. Looks like a good distance. And yes 12/12 should be maintained, get the daily rhythm going.
The only concern I really see is the closeness of that back wall. Maybe a pro has an opinion about that.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: harryskinflap]
#21080968 - 01/07/15 03:18 AM (9 years, 24 days ago) |
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GL mayne, we'll see if your myc makes it
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: harryskinflap]
#21081434 - 01/07/15 08:38 AM (9 years, 24 days ago) |
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You want ambient lighting during colonization. When you have your clear lid, the natural light in your room will probably be enough. Pretty much just don't have it in total darkness. A 12/12 schedule is important, but more important during fruiting.
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harryskinflap said: I wouldn't worry about moving the light further away. Looks like a good distance. And yes 12/12 should be maintained, get the daily rhythm going.
The only concern I really see is the closeness of that back wall. Maybe a pro has an opinion about that.
Right now while it's colonizing it doesn't matter. He will obviously have to move it for fruiting, he can't even fit poly in the side holes with where it's at now.
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Yes ive realized the location of my tub is jot ideal and I will move it once fruiting begins.
This is how the tub is looking after 4 days, id say 5-10% colonized so I will wait until tomorrow or tomorrow night to fruit. I also had some more casing pasteurized to patch the myc crawling up the sides in hoped of evening out the pinset as best as possible.
A question about the fan in the room during fruiting: If I do not have a fan yet, and just in case I do not have it by the time I begin fruiting, can I stuff the bottom holes a little looser and fan the tub once or twice a day until I get a fan? I was reading through Frank's How to dial in ur tubs thread and im pretty sure he mentioned that this was okay, I just wanted to see if anyone can reassure me on this.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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matteo89 said: Yes ive realized the location of my tub is jot ideal and I will move it once fruiting begins.
This is how the tub is looking after 4 days, id say 5-10% colonized so I will wait until tomorrow or tomorrow night to fruit. I also had some more casing pasteurized to patch the myc crawling up the sides in hoped of evening out the pinset as best as possible.
A question about the fan in the room during fruiting: If I do not have a fan yet, and just in case I do not have it by the time I begin fruiting, can I stuff the bottom holes a little looser and fan the tub once or twice a day until I get a fan? I was reading through Frank's How to dial in ur tubs thread and im pretty sure he mentioned that this was okay, I just wanted to see if anyone can reassure me on this.

Wait until it is 100 percent colonized to fruit. I personally wait until I see heavy knotting or my first pin before I introduce fruiting conditions. If you introduce it to fruiting before complete colinization and you're guaranteed to see contamination before you see fruits.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: siko887]
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Hey, you may be confused, my sub was already colonized to 100%, what you are seeing is a casing layer.. some people fruit right after the casing layer is added...im going per franks horrigans instructions to let the casing colonize abiut 20% before introducing fruiting conditions. My strain is PE and hes preached on how this method works wonders for this strain.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21087527 - 01/08/15 01:48 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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matteo89 said: Hey, you may be confused, my sub was already colonized to 100%, what you are seeing is a casing layer.. some people fruit right after the casing layer is added...im going per franks horrigans instructions to let the casing colonize abiut 20% before introducing fruiting conditions. My strain is PE and hes preached on how this method works wonders for this strain.
Yeah my bad, hadn't realized that was a casing layer. I read 4-5 days and 5 - 10% and no mention of a casing in your post. Should have went back a page or two. You're good. looks good man.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: siko887]
#21087914 - 01/08/15 03:09 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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No worries, thanks bud
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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So I finally bought all my final supplies to ensure proper fruiting conditions I.e. Lights (5000k, close enough to 6400k), clear lid, fan, and polyfill. Ive attached some pics just cause im so excited to put this baby into fruiting. Im feeling very optimistic dispite my rocky beginnings. You can see the new lid, im hoping that the black tub n clear lid setup makes for a very nice canopy but who knows if thatll really affect it, im just imagining the best haha. Also you can see some of the myc forming nicely and those empty pockets that the casing creates. Ill check in again once I got the fruiting setup so anyone can say if my environment is ideal enough
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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matteo89 said: So I finally bought all my final supplies to ensure proper fruiting conditions I.e. Lights (5000k, close enough to 6400k), clear lid, fan, and polyfill. Ive attached some pics just cause im so excited to put this baby into fruiting. Im feeling very optimistic dispite my rocky beginnings. You can see the new lid, im hoping that the black tub n clear lid setup makes for a very nice canopy but who knows if thatll really affect it, im just imagining the best haha. Also you can see some of the myc forming nicely and those empty pockets that the casing creates. Ill check in again once I got the fruiting setup so anyone can say if my environment is ideal enough

Nice man, did you do a late casing? sorry for being to large to go back to the front, I assume you're eager to talk about it regardless do to your excitement.
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No not at all! I didnt late case... I cased as soon as it looked 95-100%, the corners still had tiny bits that needed colonizing. It took 11 days for the sub to get too 100%
Edit: thanks for the love, keeps me optimistic that you and everyone here sees things looking good
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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matteo89 said: No not at all! I didnt late case... I cased as soon as it looked 95-100%, the corners still had tiny bits that needed colonizing. It took 11 days for the sub to get too 100%
Edit: thanks for the love, keeps me optimistic that you and everyone here sees things looking good
Yeah man, we've all been there, I have a few grows under my belt and when I really want something to work out I still ask for peoples opinion on my substrate lmao.
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matteo89 said: Yeaa any info helps really, its just the fear of it all not going as planned but we cant thinknlike that lol. I had a question, cause I have been opening my tub to either see that the myc is doing good with the casing layer and also wjen I changed lids...but now thw tub isnt as humis as it has been the past days. For instance when the sub was colonizing and the I cased, when I went and checked it, I could feel the humidity within the tub and even a bit of warmth but now the walls are judt condensed but not the lid, and now it is clear so I can see the RH in the tub so no more opening. Hopefully once I wake up it should look alright and back to how it should regarding the rh, but if its not looking very humid in there by the morning, is it ok if I mist a little?
In respect to franks write ups, I dont want to mist till after the 1st flush cause my sub and casing were hydrated to optimum conditions ( I cant seem to remember the term used here in the shroomery) even though tomorrow I plan on changing into fruiting conditions, would a light mist be okay if the tub doesnt look like the humidity is at almost 100% I hope this rant makes sense lol
Yes a light mist should be fine, hopefully you have a mister like the ones flo master make, I've heard direct misting of pins could damage them (not sure about this) and I'd assume it's due to people using spray bottles with droplets that aren't fine enough. And don't open your tub a bunch, I use plastic wrap as a lid so I won't even be tempted to fuck with it and I can see perfectly fine through it. But biggest reason you don't want to be opening it is contams, and I may have misread that but I hope you weren't opening it before it was fully colonized, it's usually not a great idea.
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No def not during colonization of the sub. I realized it was rhe light being to close, it all looks good now, I might do a light mist once i fruit. I got the flo master, its great cause it sprays it extremely fine when squeezed really fast. Thats a wonferful analogy about the weedman. This hobby has really pushed the limits of my patience
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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Well for your first grow you're doing pretty good. If you get pins then it gets a lot easier and you've made it further than most their first time
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It's been really cool to follow through your adventure Matteo. I've never messed around with corn, and just from your experience I doubt I ever will, but your most recent pictures look great. I plan to monitor this and check out they come out. Good luck to you!
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Thanks for the love Green! its been an interesting experience to say the least, and trust me after these trials, ME NEITHER haha! Although I may attempt it once more if I do get a PC. I checked this morning, and the tubs look relatively rhe same, a deeper saturation in the already shown white areas, so im planning on leaving them just a tad bit longer.. I wasnt surprised that PE would take this long, but im getting antsy to b place in fruiting since itbis unknown territory for me
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matteo89 said: Thanks for the love Green! its been an interesting experience to say the least, and trust me after these trials, ME NEITHER haha! Although I may attempt it once more if I do get a PC. I checked this morning, and the tubs look relatively rhe same, a deeper saturation in the already shown white areas, so im planning on leaving them just a tad bit longer.. I wasnt surprised that PE would take this long, but im getting antsy to b place in fruiting since itbis unknown territory for me
I bought a PC on my second real go around. I had contam on 8/12 jars and decided it was not having a PC. Next go around after I bought one, only had 1/12 contam. It was well worth the $30 investment. Also APE's are my favorite strain so far. Highest success and yield with them in my experience. I don't really pay attention to time as other growers seem too be however, so I have no comment on their slow colonizing rate.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: greenpinky]
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APEs look really awesome!! do you have a thread going? id love to follow an APE grow. I was reading one the other day..if I can remember ill post the link but they just look great, I love the greyish caps n those ominous looking orbs of fruit bodies
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So I found where I planned on fruiting and wanted to see what the consensus says. you can see that on the left there is a window that gets very good airflow if I have it open, enough that I can feel the wind flow through and out the room door many rimes throughout the day, as well as a small but powerful fan. would this be an overkill on FAE if thw top holes are at level with the window? also at night it can cool down toblike mid 60s, im sure that shouldnt be a problem but if it gets to cold I can just close the window during the night
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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matteo89 said: APEs look really awesome!! do you have a thread going? id love to follow an APE grow. I was reading one the other day..if I can remember ill post the link but they just look great, I love the greyish caps n those ominous looking orbs of fruit bodies
No I don't have a thread going yet. I might not do it for this one, since i'm still new to the forum. But for now I'm just joining the community and learning before I contribute OC.
As far as your fruiting area goes, it sounds like it might be too much, but I can't tell. And I guess you could always dial in your tub specifically for its environment. 65 might be a little cold. I doubt it would cause problems, besides a slower growing, yet thicker fruit.
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Who thinks we ready to get fruityy??
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If that's a CVG casing layer I'd fruit it now.
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Its jiffy quikseed starter mix, so peat verm, some lime n gypsum
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Fruit it.
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Good deal, I bet your excited to see some fruits.
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Beyond excited!!
ive been trying to grow things since a kid, bonsais, pineapple trees, tomatoes, a little weed while I was away in college...Zero success, this is going to be huuuuge for me! I just love the process
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ive been trying to grow things since a kid, bonsais, pineapple trees, tomatoes, a little weed while I was away in college...Zero success, this is going to be huuuuge for me! I just love the process
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Lol you couldn't manage to grow a bonsai?
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I hate to be a negative nancy but... I have a strong feeling this isn't going to fruit.
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Grow some cacti. Pretty easy and rewarding with the right selection. I hope this works for you.
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Yes cacti will thrive when you ignore it lol, I have Lophophora williamsii I haven't watered in a like a year.
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ive been trying to grow things since a kid, bonsais, pineapple trees, tomatoes, a little weed while I was away in college...Zero success, this is going to be huuuuge for me! I just love the process
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Lol you couldn't manage to grow a bonsai?
haha, it was a starter kit one.. it was a cold climare plant and I live in the tropics. Indtructions said seeds needed to gobin the fridge, it was a giannt mess lol
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I hate to be a negative nancy but... I have a strong feeling this isn't going to fruit.
Let's see shall we?
I understand that you feel that way, im aware that popcorn is risky w contams and no PC.. Im still hopeful, I believ ive done everthing to the T, besides a PC, just hoping these dicks are on my side. Whatever happens Inocule, I promise ill be getting a PC and switching to wbs
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Ill try to give cacti a shot sometime haha. Does anyone grow edible varieties? I want to get into growing edibles to hopefully share with friendss n family some tasty and healthy mushies, plus its a cool way to share with ppl u care about this neat hobby without weirding them out that ur dealing with active strains
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
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Sorry man but inoc's right, I would not hope for much. Grains need to be steam sterilized for 8 hours not 90 min. For large grains like corn 10 hours would be better. If you get some fruits you will be really lucky. Stranger things have happened but you most definitely have not done things to a T like you think you have.
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Cant wait to see your first PE fruits!
Here's another popcorn gif for ya, just cause I hardly ever see popcorn grows.
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Almost forgot, heres how the tub ended looking after placed into fruiting conditions. The bottom holes are SCHTUFFFED, is it possible to overstuff? top holes nice n loose. The last pics you can see how the evaporation lines seem to be coming in (these pics were taken within 5 mins of switching, so the evaporation lines are more noticable now.
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If it can't get any air flow then yes you over stuffed.
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yea there is definately airflow, its just that I made sure that they cant be popped off if I accidently rub ir against something
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Fair enough Pasty.your right, it was very far from being to a t, at the end is all a learning experience but im still jot shutting down this good feeling I have, tbh ill be happy withh an eigth flush even if it comes out of a contam. But if I do get a good flush, it most certainly will not mean I will use the same method for the next go around.
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Whoop, thanks Logic!!
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yea there is definately airflow, its just that I made sure that they cant be popped off if I accidently rub ir against something
Look around on here for examples, I'm sure someone has put this in a thread some where, but if it has good FAE there should be a line of no condensation under and slightly around your holes, as long as you see that you're good.
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Thpse lines have been slowly appearing, come tomorrow morning ill adjust if there are no lines formed or if it runs to dry. I also fanned heavily for like 2 mins. Ive read and have been told many times that fanning and FAE are the main pin triggers.
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yea there is definately airflow, its just that I made sure that they cant be popped off if I accidently rub ir against something
Look around on here for examples, I'm sure someone has put this in a thread some where, but if it has good FAE there should be a line of no condensation under and slightly around your holes, as long as you see that you're good.
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I just have shiitake expanded on wooden dowels in the fridgeuntil I can find some logs. I'm gonna do bricks too but no PC at the moment. Evilmushroom666 has some edible grows worth reading, and pasty has a bitchin Reishi mono grow.
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Just checking in, everything looks good. I was just wondering, if this is aerial myc or not? I have the clear lines under the top holes, and the tub seems to have great rh, but the myc pointing upwards makes me think that FAE is not enough. I also raised the light since day one cause I think it was just to much being 4 inches to the tub, it was also drying out a part of the lid.
All in all im not too worried, although after reading The Chiefs Penis Jungle thread that PE does better with consolidation, so I should be expecting the casing to be almost all consumed before seeing anything. Am I thinking this thru right?
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matteo89 said: Just checking in, everything looks good. I was just wondering, if this is aerial myc or not? I have the clear lines under the top holes, and the tub seems to have great rh, but the myc pointing upwards makes me think that FAE is not enough. I also raised the light since day one cause I think it was just to much being 4 inches to the tub, it was also drying out a part of the lid.
All in all im not too worried, although after reading The Chiefs Penis Jungle thread that PE does better with consolidation, so I should be expecting the casing to be almost all consumed before seeing anything. Am I thinking this thru right?

I don't put into fruiting until the casing layer is almost completely colonized aswell so iunno man. As far as you thinking it needs more FAE I'm sure it doesn't, it's growing up because the casing above it is probably the only thing not colonized. I know what you're talking about by it poking up, I assure you that's not due to FAE
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yea, im probably just trying to find something wrong, maybe it was the light to close the first day,ive read PE loves light. Im guessing its just doing what its doing, so ill just go back to what I was doing
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If you mean you see rhizomorphic myc growing straight up through the casing then that's not an indication of anything wrong (At least in my short experience) the grow I have growing right now did that and it's starting to pin like a beast
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I may have found my first pins!! to small to tell with my noob eyes but they kind of look the part, what do you guys think?
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PE tends to blob up first flush.
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Congrats Matteo! Here's to more than an 1/8 flush! I'll be monitoring this more. Unfortunately in my grow I had several jars contam. I'm not sure which vector yet, as it could of been any, but I've got a detailed plan for my next attempt. Unfortunately that was the last of my Albino's and all I have is Chitwan. Enjoy your dicks though Matteo.
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greenpinky said: Congrats Matteo! Here's to more than an 1/8 flush! I'll be monitoring this more. Unfortunately in my grow I had several jars contam. I'm not sure which vector yet, as it could of been any, but I've got a detailed plan for my next attempt. Unfortunately that was the last of my Albino's and all I have is Chitwan. Enjoy your dicks though Matteo.
I appreciate the love pinky!! i couldnt believe it, at first i was like, great, what contams could this be? but to my surprise, lil babies!! Ive noticed through my readings and the experiences of growers here that PE varieties can be unpredictable, im sorry to hear that. This was the last couple ml's of PE that i had so i was hoping for alls glory as well. What do u think could have contributed to the contams? how was the grain prep?
Here is as of today, they look like thye doubled in size..so who knows, hopefully there are more pins/blobs under the casing that are just taking there time.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21130097 - 01/16/15 04:35 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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breath that sigh of relief and watch the show.
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wowimflabbergasted said: You want ambient lighting during colonization. When you have your clear lid, the natural light in your room will probably be enough. Pretty much just don't have it in total darkness. A 12/12 schedule is important, but more important during fruiting.
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harryskinflap said: I wouldn't worry about moving the light further away. Looks like a good distance. And yes 12/12 should be maintained, get the daily rhythm going.
The only concern I really see is the closeness of that back wall. Maybe a pro has an opinion about that.
Right now while it's colonizing it doesn't matter. He will obviously have to move it for fruiting, he can't even fit poly in the side holes with where it's at now.
Does throwing off an exact 12/12 cycle actually have an affect or does getting 12 hours a day enough? What affect does it have if any?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#21130349 - 01/16/15 05:24 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Giving it a random 12 hours isn't really the same at all as having a solid 12/12 cycle, but this is also someone elses thread so I'm not going to discuss that here.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Inocuole]
#21131187 - 01/16/15 09:03 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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Inocuole said: Giving it a random 12 hours isn't really the same at all as having a solid 12/12 cycle, but this is also someone elses thread so I'm not going to discuss that here. 
Please, by all means share any info that you wish that is asked, whether its OP (me) or anyone else. I do not mind it, and by no means do i feel it is a thread highjacking. I have gained alot of valuable information just from the discussions that occur within the thread.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Grey]
#21131213 - 01/16/15 09:10 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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breath that sigh of relief and watch the show.
The show has started, but ill wait a bit before partying, as these are the only pins/blobs that i have seen inside the tub. Tomorrow will tell as i have them on off lights right now. If i see some new clusters, then im celebrating! But im still jumping for joy seeing tiny shroomies . GROW BABY GROW!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21131218 - 01/16/15 09:12 PM (9 years, 14 days ago) |
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12/12 is best for establishing a healthy circadian rhythm.
Good luck OP
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21133192 - 01/17/15 11:21 AM (9 years, 13 days ago) |
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matteo89 said:
I appreciate the love pinky!! i couldnt believe it, at first i was like, great, what contams could this be? but to my surprise, lil babies!! Ive noticed through my readings and the experiences of growers here that PE varieties can be unpredictable, im sorry to hear that. This was the last couple ml's of PE that i had so i was hoping for alls glory as well. What do u think could have contributed to the contams? how was the grain prep?
Yeah I know several things that I didn't take care enough with. I had busted grains and a new environment that I didn't prep enough. But i'm not worried for the next batch.
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Pastywhyte said: 12/12 is best for establishing a healthy circadian rhythm.
Good luck OP
12/12 all the way. Buy a simple 4 dollar timer.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: greenpinky]
#21133381 - 01/17/15 12:06 PM (9 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: taGyo]
#21149389 - 01/20/15 11:46 AM (9 years, 10 days ago) |
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Just an update to show that it all hasnt gone bad haha.. these are my largest fruits. Is the best time to pick PE when u see the white bumps forming near the neck of the fruit? I ask cause it looks like the caps are opening up, but with PE i feel that this is not the proper indicator. Aside from that i have numerous pins, and i say pins and not blobs because i am experiencing zero blobs and i believe it has to do with the casing layer, which i am really glad i did.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21158774 - 01/21/15 06:06 PM (9 years, 9 days ago) |
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Hey everyone,
My biggest fruits have been bumping up, im going to wait until tomorrow to see if they grow a bit more to harvest; should i wait till the cap opens up (loooks like Raidens hat from Mortal Kombat? hehe) or until the bumps under the cap get more noticeable? im going to give it a bit before i havest and move it outside, because im stsrting to push the limits of this tub. Ive stopped trich in its path twice, and im pretty sure its getting angry( mind that they were very small, 1mm or smaller). Overall im really happy how it all turned out, definately more than an 1/8th HAHAHA!! thankyou everyone for all the help tips and concerns. Ill follow up with any total dry weight if anyone is interested, and expect me back soon, and i promise no more popcorn for a while, and i will not waste anymore time without a PC, cheers shroomers!!

Edit: After looking at some users PE tubs, the caps opening up look like the best indicator so i will wait till then
Edited by matteo89 (01/21/15 06:15 PM)
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21159520 - 01/21/15 07:44 PM (9 years, 9 days ago) |
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Your experiment seems excellent and doing well at this point!
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Man you got some strange lookin PE!
I've never seen wienies so long and skinny, but congrats on the fruits! It's quite the moment
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: shroomiedoo22] 1
#21159978 - 01/21/15 09:47 PM (9 years, 9 days ago) |
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They happen sometimes 
PE has a lot of different phenotypes that are considered normal, blobs, upsidedown, sporeless, are all normal and to be expected. This isolate fruited upside down or did a nosedive everytime.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21160305 - 01/21/15 11:17 PM (9 years, 9 days ago) |
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shroomiedoo22 said: Man you got some strange lookin PE!
I've never seen wienies so long and skinny, but congrats on the fruits! It's quite the moment
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Pastywhyte said: They happen sometimes 
PE has a lot of different phenotypes that are considered normal, blobs, upsidedown, sporeless, are all normal and to be expected. This isolate fruited upside down or did a nosedive everytime. [/url]
Is that so? I've never actually read that before now, but it makes sense. I've had some weird looking batches, and thought I may of done something wrong, even though they seemed extremely successful to me.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21160354 - 01/21/15 11:37 PM (9 years, 9 days ago) |
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I was hoping for some silly fatties like yours pasty, thats awesome how you just grew pe straight from the jar. no case?, straight to fruit? For my next grow, im really interested in following your mwthods for that one tub you cased with sterilized coir, that tub came out fantastic, and the sterilized coir really interested me. And was it just me but did those fruits look almost lighter in color? like the stems appeared eggshell white instead of the light wood most cubes seem to have, ad well as the caps just looked appealing... was it ms or an isolate? Did you ever get a contam in those tubs?
Right shroomiedoo?! although its most likely the pheno- , idk if maybe my light setup was a factor since its not tru 6500k. Im very impressed with the casing layers effect on the fruits, it really helped them get settled and grow very evenly. Im looking forward to harvesting the cluster on the top left
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Cl0ud.9.Warl0ck said: Your experiment seems excellent and doing well at this point!
Thanks, its been fun!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21161123 - 01/22/15 04:58 AM (9 years, 9 days ago) |
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matteo89 said: I was hoping for some silly fatties like yours pasty, thats awesome how you just grew pe straight from the jar. no case?, straight to fruit? For my next grow, im really interested in following your mwthods for that one tub you cased with sterilized coir, that tub came out fantastic, and the sterilized coir really interested me. And was it just me but did those fruits look almost lighter in color? like the stems appeared eggshell white instead of the light wood most cubes seem to have, ad well as the caps just looked appealing... was it ms or an isolate? Did you ever get a contam in those tubs?
The bottle sub is a mix of grains and bulk materials mixed together and sterilized. Then inoculated with LC or LI. Mudafuka has a writeup on it. That one was cased with verm.
The other tub was ms, and was a leucistic grow meaning the fruits have very little pigment. Look into the variety AA+. I flushed that one three times I believe. Coir is a very forgiving material to be sure.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21161345 - 01/22/15 07:23 AM (9 years, 9 days ago) |
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Right shroomiedoo?! although its most likely the pheno- , idk if maybe my light setup was a factor since its not tru 6500k. Im very impressed with the casing layers effect on the fruits, it really helped them get settled and grow very evenly. Im looking forward to harvesting the cluster on the top left
I would say that's all in the genes, lighting has a substantial effect but it wouldn't shape the fruit that much! I have no experience with PE myself, either way they look like very nice mushies. Congrats again and enjoy your fruits!
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: shroomiedoo22]
#21169650 - 01/24/15 12:45 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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I picked 5 mushies that were beginning to lean over their own weight and just felt like they had to be harvested. Im saving the rest of the tub for tomorrow where i willnprobably end up picking the rest, im hoping for the slackers to really plump up.
You can also see my ghetto drying chamber which is doing a heck of a good job, they have sried up exponentially within the last 6 hours. I still have to by some sort of desiccant. Complete wet weight will be given tomorrow!
Ohh yea i also plan on dumping the sub in my backyard and watering it just to see how far i can take this, can a sub pull a 2nd flush even if it gets trich and thrown outdoors on some dirt in a shaded area?

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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21169687 - 01/24/15 01:00 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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Nice! And they sure can pump more out when pput outside.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: cronicr]
#21170825 - 01/24/15 11:54 AM (9 years, 6 days ago) |
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Good job man. Were you able to print any?
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Grey]
#21170898 - 01/24/15 12:20 PM (9 years, 6 days ago) |
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cronicr said: Nice! And they sure can pump more out when pput outside.
Sweet! I just finished harvest ill be throwing it outside later.
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ingclassy said: Good job man. Were you able to print any?
Thanks classy. You know, i was thinking about it, but ive read so little on it, i figured it was a bit out of my scope for now. Once i plan my next grow i will have a post harvest plan. This time around i just wanted to have a successful havest.
Speaking of which, here is the final harvest. Total wet weight was a little over 550g. Was not expecting that, these are some heavy dicks.
Edited by matteo89 (01/24/15 12:25 PM)
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21170968 - 01/24/15 12:37 PM (9 years, 6 days ago) |
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PE rarely drops spores so its very unlikely that they could be printed. Most people use sterile swabs and swab the gills then put the swab to agar.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
#21170991 - 01/24/15 12:45 PM (9 years, 6 days ago) |
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Edited by shroominmyroom (12/05/17 12:40 PM)
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: eatyualive]
#21173296 - 01/25/15 12:24 AM (9 years, 6 days ago) |
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Try to swab the fruits. Pe is pretty dense and dries to a really good weight
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Aero]
#21229610 - 02/05/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been busy for a bit, but i'm glad to see you had a successful harvest Matteo!
I just knocked up some WBS jars the other day. I'm out of Penis's sadly, so I had to go with Hawaiian. This time I was much more careful with my process though, so looking forward to success. Congrats again Matteo!
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