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Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [UPDATE: AFTER 3 FAILED ATTEMPTS]
    #19179070 - 11/23/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey starting my first grow using penis envy spores in water from a syringe, using popcorn to colonize. Ill give u a lil background on what ive done. Not the most conventional way went with the flow the whole way through but i already have growth after 6 days of geting nocc'd up which i find surprising after all i have read about PE being so slow to colonize.
Iwater soaked the popcorn for 3 days. Too long i know, but something always came up when i was going to start the simmering. I chnaged the water every day of the soak tho. When i got the chance to simmer i changed the water again, and simmered for 90 mins, then drained, did not rinse after just laid on towel folded over and but it in my closet for about 12 hours.  i jarr'd them up then steam sterilized for 90 mins. dumpped water out of pot nd stored the pot with jars in them over night then nocc'd them up with 1cc of spore solution in one self healing injection port in the middle of the lid, then i placed them in a black rubbermaid "incubator" at a steady 82 degrees fahrenheit. The first 2 pics are after 6 days from jar 1.






The second set of pictures are of both jars after 9 days.










Waddya think?!?!


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
    #19179106 - 11/23/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not a pro by any means, but that looks like mold, not myc. I'd wait to hear someone's advice who is a little more experienced than myself but the best of luck regardless!


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: sharpshroomer98]
    #19179114 - 11/23/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

did you shake the jars after the 1cc injection?


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Rubestoad]
    #19179119 - 11/23/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yup...i shook a bit after


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89] * 1
    #19179143 - 11/23/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well that explains the multiple germ points all over. so yeah its myc good luck with it :smile:


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Rubestoad]
    #19179170 - 11/23/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sweet, thanks Rubes! feels very reassuring to get a 2nd opinion. checked them today n i can see the myc thickening up almost in like a snowflake pattern. at the beginning i really thought it was mold or something cause it showed up so early and from what ive read was that p.e. takes a long time to colonize. how long should i wait to do a second shake? should i do one at all?


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
    #19179185 - 11/23/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

most peeps here say only shake once and do that at 30%.

but it looks like you got a nice spread of germ points so i wouldnt shake again as long as it keeps growing good. popcorn is a fast colonizer but its not the best grains according to most TC's here.


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
    #19179200 - 11/23/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't aware that stream sterilazation of any grain would prevent contamination. Your growth looks really thin but its white which is a good sign. I have never used popcorn before and would think after leaving it in water soaking for 3 days they of sprouted. Any good luck to you. What's your plan if they make it to 100% colonization? Case, bulk, ect? And about PE being slow, its colonizes average speed it just takes forever to fruit.


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: shroomnub4u]
    #19179209 - 11/23/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: shroomnub4u]
    #19179327 - 11/23/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I wasn't aware that stream sterilazation of any grain would prevent contamination. Your growth looks really thin but its white which is a good sign. I have never used popcorn before and would think after leaving it in water soaking for 3 days they of sprouted. Any good luck to you. What's your plan if they make it to 100% colonization? Case, bulk, ect? And about PE being slow, its colonizes average speed it just takes forever to fruit.




im not sure yet. either doing the 50/50 verm coco mix and filling the rubbermaid with that...i think thats doing a bulk substrate right? i just want to do whatever will produce the most LOL... and if casing is filling a baking pan with the 50/50 mix and the colonized popcorn and fillling the rubbermaid with about 4 inches of perlite, that could be another option too. i think that the first option would produce more right, since there is more surface area for the myc to keep on growing? sorry for the noob dialog lol


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
    #19179364 - 11/23/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good job dude, Im a fan of popcorn also. I use almost the same tek as you, I just add a high phosphorous fertilizer to my water during the soak, which I do for 48 hours. I also boil with fresh water/fertilizer plus a cup of half strength coffee and a pinch of gypsum.

That looks just like myc I see in my jars. Good luck with the PE! I have a PE6 on agar I meant to put on popcorn but I moved to RGS and dont use popcorn anymore.


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Zombi3]
    #19180063 - 11/23/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Good job dude, Im a fan of popcorn also. I use almost the same tek as you, I just add a high phosphorous fertilizer to my water during the soak, which I do for 48 hours. I also boil with fresh water/fertilizer plus a cup of half strength coffee and a pinch of gypsum.

That looks just like myc I see in my jars. Good luck with the PE! I have a PE6 on agar I meant to put on popcorn but I moved to RGS and dont use popcorn anymore.





Respect! yea i might try the rye grain later on, popcorn is just easy minimum smell when preppping it to, idk if rye smells when prepping. Question my incubator rig is just a plastic bucket with a lid full of water and a fish tank heater set at 86... ambient temps in the incubator are at 82-84. is this good? i notice a bit of condensation on the sides of the rubbermaid, but nothing to drenched...idk how humidity should be during incubating? my lids have self healing ports and tyvek breathing hole


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
    #19180096 - 11/23/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I use no extra humidity during colonizing. I have my jars in an empty desk drawer with a semi efficient heat pad that holds the temperature at at 76-82. Im going to be honest I dont know what the optimal temp for colonizing is, those are just the temps I use. I was doing my popcorn in plastic ziploc 450ml containers with no modified lid.


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Zombi3]
    #19182133 - 11/24/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You guys don't want your jars reaching 86 or higher.
Mycellium stalls and contaminants thrive at that upper range.


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: clueless] * 1
    #19182205 - 11/24/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
    #19182419 - 11/24/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Iwater soaked the popcorn for 3 days. Too long i know, but something always came up when i was going to start the simmering. I chnaged the water every day of the soak tho. When i got the chance to simmer i changed the water again, and simmered for 90 mins, then drained, did not rinse after just laid on towel folded over and but it in my closet for about 12 hours.  i jarr'd them up then steam sterilized for 90 mins.




I don't like the sound of this. I only used popcorn half a dozen times but, I found that the large grain size and high endospore count meant that I needed to PC it for a minimum of 2 hours or I'd end up with bacteria. A 90 min steam sterilization is a bad idea for any grain, but for popcorn its terrible. Hopefully it works out for ya but, I would get started on a new project right away just in case.

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im not sure yet. either doing the 50/50 verm coco mix and filling the rubbermaid with that...i think thats doing a bulk substrate right?




I'm surprised Hacker didn't jump all over this. Damion5050's mix is nowhere near 50/50, more like 30/70. Yes that would be a bulk substrate.

Good luck OP, hopefully you beat the odds and see some fruits :thumbup:


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19184034 - 11/24/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I got a handfull of PE my first go. Just follow the tek you choose and listen to good growers. every problem I had had is because I didn't follow the tek!!! search - read - read - search some more - read archives - search - read - repeat haha

if you want to see someones skills that doesnt have a trusted cultivator tag click their names. On next page scroll down and click main threads only. look through their threads and look at their grows. notahacker and pasty grow killer flushes.


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: Smeagol]
    #19186438 - 11/25/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Update 11 days after getting nocc'd up




Some crazy growth right here



bottoms of both jars:





AS you can see the jar on the left is growing alot more plentiful then the jar on the right. rubestoad said i shouldnt shake cause there are alot of germ points, and i agree at least for the jar on the rihgt, but what about the one on the left? would shaking it speed the colonization a bit faster? lemme know how things are looking.

im no pro but this is the first time i see myc growing in person and it looks like ALOOT to me lol


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: matteo89]
    #19186442 - 11/25/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Shake both.


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Re: Penis Envy on Popcorn 1st grow ever [Re: PussyFart]
    #19186479 - 11/25/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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