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sololas
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: cronicr]
#19594669 - 02/20/14 01:03 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Frank that was the reason I said that it could cause some counterproductive comments from others who didn't fullyunderstand what cronier was doing. I dont like the flaming either. Im not a sarcastic person when it comes to learning, or ever for that matter. Unless I know someone better, than maybe. Sorry if you misunderstood me. Allgood I hope
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: cronicr]
#19594678 - 02/20/14 01:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hear ya frank on people having issues getting the distinction between a simple coir verm sub and anything else. I would hate for someone to get confused and PC their poo. As for benefits I don't think there is any benefit other than the pure simplicity aspect. Sterilizing in jars with unmodified lids is easy as hell for me, and stores well too, but if anyone has a small PC vs a big ass pot I would say do the pasteurization in the big pot.
The purpose of this thread was to illustrate how forgiving coir is and to provide an alternative method of simple coir verm prep if you happen to have a large PC or sterilizer. Coffee, poo, straw, all need proper pastuerization.
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19594690 - 02/20/14 01:08 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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sololas said: Frank that was the reason I said that it could cause some counterproductive comments from others who didn't fullyunderstand what cronier was doing. I dont like the flaming either. Im not a sarcastic person when it comes to learning, or ever for that matter. Unless I know someone better, than maybe. Sorry if you misunderstood me. Allgood I hope
Oh I know, I was just messing with you a bit 
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Pastywhyte said: The purpose of this thread was to illustrate how forgiving coir is and to provide an alternative method of simple coir verm prep if you happen to have a large PC or sterilizer. Coffee, poo, straw, all need proper pastuerization.
And it's a great thread!
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19594693 - 02/20/14 01:09 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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late casing is gonna be my new favorite thing, honestly fucking awesome
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: cronicr]
#19594980 - 02/20/14 02:18 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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sterilized coir/verm/gypsum, late cased with same thing
this is today. first time i late cased with the sterilized sub, and only 3rd time i used sterilized CVG, first two times went great, this looks like it will do even better.

does it look dry to u guys? there are moisture beads on the myc, just not the coir. i already misted once today, lightly. i am scared of misting because of vert tho, but just wanna get an idea of how coir should look as casing. if it were peat, i would say it looked dry
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: blindingleaf]
#19595039 - 02/20/14 02:29 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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You've both got me thinking i should late case mine as well. I have enough sterilized CVG for a nice thin layer.....
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: 1down5up]
#19595394 - 02/20/14 03:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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1down5up said: You've both got me thinking i should late case mine as well. I have enough sterilized CVG for a nice thin layer.....
give it a shot
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: cronicr]
#19595751 - 02/20/14 04:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thinkin I might try on my next run too actually. 1 66qt mono with no casing, 1 with casing at fruit and 1 late cased. All the same isolate ofcourse (thank god for g2g lol). Would be my first time using casings at all so I guess that would be the way to do it
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: Valyr]
#19598954 - 02/21/14 10:21 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fuck it, it's going down on the next tub
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19607763 - 02/23/14 08:57 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: As RR has mentioned a few times, coir doesn't germinate mold spores, be it sterile or pasteurized or bucket'd.
I've seen this posted many times and I've even said it myself, but I want to examine this for a moment.
I think the key word is "germinate" as opposed to "growing already germinated"
Coir will grow mold on it. It can take a while, but it will. 180F water and 1 block of coir in a bucket with a loose lid. I forgot about it and found it 7 weeks later with whitish fuzzy mold.
It wasn't completely covered, but it was pretty well established. I'm no biologist, so it may have been fungus, but the point is clear.
I have tried to use non-sterile and non-pasteurized CVG a few times and got all fails. I find it hard to believe in these cases that the gypsum or vermiculite was the issue.
If coir doesn't germinate mold, then we could just throw cold tap water on it and call it good or the bucket tek would work better.
Of course, we can't count out the possibility that the contam source is germinated mold/fungus in our tap water. Non of my experiments involved pouring pasteurized or sterilized water on CVG. Has anyone tried pouring sterilized water over CVG in a bucket? Is water sterile just because you get to a boil?
Not only is proper pasteurization a good habit and skill set to have so you can expand in to other substrates, in my experience, it also increases best chance of success when using CVG.
I've had the same success rate with sterile CVG as I have had with pasteurized. I prefer sterilizing because I can do more in a shorter time.
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19607807 - 02/23/14 09:16 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought tap water had enough chlorine in it to be relatively bacteria free, otherwise people would be getting sick. (not like it doesn't happen though) It would probably have to be some hardy bac to survive that. That's a very interesting point you bring up. Are you going to try the sterilized water over the coir? I would like to see that. I know there's no substitution for proper pasteurization/sterilization (in coir's case) or sterile technique, but this would give others a better chance of success if it were true.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19607811 - 02/23/14 09:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: I've had the same success rate with sterile CVG as I have had with pasteurized. I prefer sterilizing because I can do more in a shorter time.
This is pretty much the only reason to sterilize. Easy and fast. However I do think that coir is the best thing to practice proper pasteurization on, to get the feel for how fast temps can rise and fall. Like a practice run before you try other things like poo or straw.
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19607820 - 02/23/14 09:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I sterilized my coir, but then added some seaweed to the mix then had to pasteurize it before using it, it did take me a bit of fuckery, and i had to turn the heat back on for a few minutes, but i've got it dialed in now for next time.
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: 1down5up]
#19608663 - 02/23/14 02:08 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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yea if i add coffee or chx poo i pasteurize. I'm not using those anymore for now tho...so just sterilizing. pasty can i borrow ur AA975x to sterilize my apt tonight? just gotta do my kitchen then u can have it right back....
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: blindingleaf]
#19608681 - 02/23/14 02:12 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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she is actually full and running at the moment, I'll get back to you after checking her schedule
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: 1down5up]
#19608684 - 02/23/14 02:13 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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1down5up said: I sterilized my coir, but then added some seaweed to the mix then had to pasteurize it before using it, it did take me a bit of fuckery, and i had to turn the heat back on for a few minutes, but i've got it dialed in now for next time.
Seaweed? That's new, let us know how it goes!
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: 1down5up]
#19609183 - 02/23/14 04:44 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not sure what the seaweed would bring to the table, can you tell us your thought process there?
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19609597 - 02/23/14 06:53 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've used spirulina (the blue green algae) as a fertilizer on plants before. It's rated 10-1-1 I think and mold grows incredibly fast on it. I mixed it in water in a bucket and poured it on top of the soil above the roots. Pretty much guaranteed to see some aggressive fungal growth on the little chunks that don't dissolve and sit on the soil surface.
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: invitro]
#19609702 - 02/23/14 07:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is what i found from Agar (old TC)
Yo - Mate,
The seaweed I get is in tiny pieces, about the size of millet seeds. I throw some in a blender & powder it. You can also add some BRF, or WBS ground up. Even, black sunflower and/or thistle (niger) seed- ground up. But, be carefull not to add to much of anything.
There is a FINE line - where more goodies - is NOT BETTER.
You are not making a cake. Get to many rich things, carb's, oils & sugars in the mix. It will more than likely, start to ferment, once it gets active. Fermentation will create excess heat, plus alc. Both of which, will kill myc - in excess.
One shot glass of veggie oil, a 1/4 cup ground WBS, one teaspoon of seaweed to about 5 lbs of h/poo - pre-hydration, is about right. More, and you start to flirt with fermentation.
Just my opinion
and from RR same thread but about coffee
Looking good. Thanks for helping to put an end to the coffee debate. It seems that folks want to argue about whether it will help or not instead of simply trying it. Seaweed is also extremely high in natural triptophans, for those who believe that helps in the substrate. RR
here is the thread
by no means conclusive, just adding for anyone to read. i thought seaweed was for nitrogen, but i guess not?
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Re: Think I might have sterilized my sub [Re: blindingleaf]
#19611256 - 02/24/14 06:56 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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while i was searching for threads about it, I saw a post where RR said it makes an excellent substrate, so i thought i'd give it a try. I also read that too much can be detrimental. So i got some, soaked it overnight in soapy water. Rinsed it the next day, then dried it in my dehydrator, then powdered it. There was a total of about 30 grams. I mixed that with 4 quarts of sub and 2.5 of spawn...or thereabouts, i'll have to check my journal for exact amounts there....but not much seaweed overall. So far so good...although i think i got a touch of verticillum, but could be due the the excess moisture....dunno. Here's the tub yesterday...
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