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shrgr
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Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How?
#19178363 - 11/23/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a question concerning the conditions mycelium should be in to start producing fruitbodies, mushrooms. Aside from all the humidity, FAE, GE, co2 levels and temperature etc. I'm currently growing psilocybe cyanescens in multiple places outdoors, and I notice that of all places the one which confines the mycelium the most is producing mushrooms. This is a raised bed in my backyard.
I've also planted spawn in a small woods nearby, which isn't producing any mushrooms, but is looking extremely healthy. Now I couldn't find anything on the message board directly, but I do remember something about the confinement of the mycelium being a trigger for producing mushrooms. I was wondering if this is true, or are there simply too many variables to make sense of it all?
And now for the second part.... If mycelium is not confined, as in the woods, what would be their incentive to start producing mushrooms? If it could eat all the wood it wanted, would it still produce mushrooms? Or when not confined would there be an incentive to genetically diversify itself by producing mushrooms and spores?
A friend of mine has suggested that a thin, shallow layer of mycelium woodchips combined with outdoor woodland soil full of nasty bacteria would be the way to go for growing these outdoor species. Anybody agree with that?
And finally, an excuse for posting pictures of my grow.


Could someone also explain the discoloration of the caps?
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kratom_redmomd
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Re: Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How? [Re: shrgr]
#19178423 - 11/23/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice pics!
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cronicr



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Re: Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How? [Re: kratom_redmomd]
#19178644 - 11/23/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sometimes cyan beds can take a couple years to establish before fruiting, those caps are just alitle dry, beauts bud
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tinkerous
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Re: Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How? [Re: cronicr]
#19178663 - 11/23/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is so cool. Really nice pics!
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OneiricOutsider
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Re: Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How? [Re: tinkerous]
#19178936 - 11/23/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cyans are so beautiful, good job man. I'm also curious about your question, like if the mycelium had an unlimited amount of nutritious substrate (theoretically), what would prompt them to stop colonizing and begin producing fruits?
I think that it's just an innate part of their life cycle, and that after a certain amount of time with the proper conditions, the mycelium in one spot begins producing fruits, even if the connected mycelium a foot away is still colonizing. Especially if genetically compatible hyphae (the "branches" of growing mycelium) mated and combined their nuclei, increasing the chances of having the right genes to make a fruiting body in the first place. That's my understanding of it 
Edit: I think the cap discoloration is mainly due to sun exposure and/or genetics.
Edited by OneiricOutsider (11/23/13 01:19 PM)
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cronicr



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Re: Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How? [Re: OneiricOutsider]
#19178995 - 11/23/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once the weathers to cold to colonize anymore they will try n fruit, my first bed was a tiny patch in a huge mound of chips, it fruited in that spot np
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Re: Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How? [Re: cronicr]
#19179223 - 11/23/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cold can be a trigger as cronicr said, otherwise if it reaches the surface and has no where else to colonize it *should* pin, or if it comes under attack it might also pin prematurely. Outdoor beds typically behave just like indoors though, I'm guessing the more confined one was essentially just a higher spawn ration (or lower?.. I get confused), and thus it consumed the resources available and began fruiting. Perhaps the one in the woods is eating nearby debri, dead roots, etc. I know even when I've grown cubes outdoors they'll spread a good 6 inches to a few feet outside of the bed and consume nutrients in the soil often times before even the first flush.
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poopy mcpooperson
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Re: Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How? [Re: krypto2000]
#19179329 - 11/23/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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what are you growing them within in that raised bed? is that moss or some sort of low growing fern. it looks like it would be excellent to retain moisture. nice photos.
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shrgr
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Re: Question: From Mycelium to Fruitbodies, Why and How? [Re: poopy mcpooperson]
#19181358 - 11/24/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the insights
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cronicr said: Sometimes cyan beds can take a couple years to establish before fruiting, those caps are just alitle dry, beauts bud
Started 6 beds at the end of april this year(2013). This is the only one fruiting. Can't wait till next year  I think you're right about the dry part. There's no sun on them, but over here it's either pouring for days or dry spells for a week.
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OneiricOutsider said: Cyans are so beautiful, good job man. I'm also curious about your question, like if the mycelium had an unlimited amount of nutritious substrate (theoretically), what would prompt them to stop colonizing and begin producing fruits?
I think that it's just an innate part of their life cycle, and that after a certain amount of time with the proper conditions, the mycelium in one spot begins producing fruits, even if the connected mycelium a foot away is still colonizing. Especially if genetically compatible hyphae (the "branches" of growing mycelium) mated and combined their nuclei, increasing the chances of having the right genes to make a fruiting body in the first place. That's my understanding of it 
Edit: I think the cap discoloration is mainly due to sun exposure and/or genetics.
I guess the mycelium, in colonizing, can close itself in, so to speak. And if it's not eating itself, it would produce fruit bodies. Also I was thinking more in the direction of mycelium maintaining itself, instead of reproduction for spreading purposes. Which is ofcourse the main reason: reproducing and spreading to genetically diversify.
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krypto2000 said: Cold can be a trigger as cronicr said, otherwise if it reaches the surface and has no where else to colonize it *should* pin, or if it comes under attack it might also pin prematurely. Outdoor beds typically behave just like indoors though, I'm guessing the more confined one was essentially just a higher spawn ration (or lower?.. I get confused), and thus it consumed the resources available and began fruiting. Perhaps the one in the woods is eating nearby debri, dead roots, etc. I know even when I've grown cubes outdoors they'll spread a good 6 inches to a few feet outside of the bed and consume nutrients in the soil often times before even the first flush.
That's true. It's a very woody area with wood debri scattered all around, lots of roots and deadwood. I was stupid enough to wall the patches in my yard with plywood. Well the mycelium went right through it. I think it's even colonizing the patch next to it that's filled with azurescens spawn but not growing nearly as fast as this cyanescens spawn is. We'll see next year.
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poopy mcpooperson said: what are you growing them within in that raised bed? is that moss or some sort of low growing fern. it looks like it would be excellent to retain moisture. nice photos.
As I made 6 beds/patches I decided to try some divers tactics. Different areas mostly. The one in my backyard I decided to put moss on half of the patch to see the difference with the other halve without moss. The moss part won . Also I put woodland soil on the bottom and woodland debri on top. They're half raised beds.
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