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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177467 - 11/23/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Even through everything I've said the worst part is I believe you in that.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate] * 1
    #19177473 - 11/23/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

THAT RIGHT THERE shows that maturity is already creeping in.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate] * 1
    #19177474 - 11/23/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, I agree. I don't see anything replacing it either. But I've not seen things in the past that I would never have imagined possible. That's why I'm not comfortable saying that something isn't going to happen because it seems impossible.




It's just that the amount of energy stored in oil is ridiculous, there's no indication we'll get anything better. I think Enlil said it above, the energy we get from oil is millions of years of stockpiled solar energy. The sun is the only source of energy that exists (practically speaking), and only so much of its energy can make its way down here to the surface at a time. Alternatives to oil already exist, but they won't be taken advantage of in the current economic and social order because they are not as advantageous to pursue, and we are selfish little creatures seeking privilege and exaltation for ourselves above all else.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177485 - 11/23/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Admittedly I'm pretty fucking ignorant as to the inner workings of oil and other resources. I'm sure I sound like a hippie that thinks everything is one and all that shit but that's not how I think at all. I really care not to know about the specifics on a lot of things that happen around me and in the world because it would just take years off of my life I'm sure.

I know that I understand little to nothing about the world, let alone the universe.. I'm not really into religions but I'm not a person who believes that there is definitely some type of purpose regardless if I know what it is.

Maybe its a symptom of reading too many fantasy books but even though I don't feel strongly that there is a positive outcome to all of our existence, I willfully embrace the possibility of anything happening to alleviate my negative outlook on life.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #19177487 - 11/23/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty sure oil interests have a play in that.

I already listed a couple alternatives, and someone else mentioned fusion, geothermal is another one.

Oil companies have a lot of interest in keeping these technologies from being pursued, for obvious reasons.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #19177489 - 11/23/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Honestly I can't see anything replacing oil. The problem with a lot of alternative fuel sources is that they're mainly for show, they require oil to manufacture. Most "green" or "sustainable" fuels have been an epic bust: they're only sustainable IF an alternative energy source as good as or better than oil is discovered.




That's nonsense. At the moment it's just a matter of economics. Once oil becomes too unattractive, other energy sources will gain market share. I'm not exactly sure how you're overlooking this obvious notion. See also my posts in the recent oil thread.

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People say animals are mindless and even incomptent but if you look just a century ago, the world saw primitive people the exact same way a civilized man would look upon a dumb animal such as a donkey.



Human intelligence hasn't evolved much over the last century, and neither has animal intelligence. Evolution doesn't go that fast. If you want to see other animals catch up with humans in terms of technology development and dissemination of knowledge, then you'll have to look at a time scale of tens of millions of years. By then, you could theoretically have offspring of today's monkeys, pigs or dolphins exhibiting human-like intelligence.


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Dolphins and whales are already smarter than humans. Industrial development is not a benchmark for intelligence or success, it's only a measure of regression.



So what is your benchmark for intelligence? The tendency to stay underwater?

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Our brains have been shrinking ever since cro-magnon, FYI.



Brain size is not a reliable predictor of intelligence.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177491 - 11/23/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's just that the amount of energy stored in oil is ridiculous, there's no indication we'll get anything better.



Nuclear for example. And that hasn't taken over the world. Why? Economics. The extraction and use of nuclear energy is relatively cumbersome and therefore expensive in comparison with other sources. Once oil becomes cumbersome (and it does), it'll become less attractive as well.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate]
    #19177494 - 11/23/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Admittedly I'm pretty fucking ignorant as to the inner workings of oil and other resources. I'm sure I sound like a hippie that thinks everything is one and all that shit but that's not how I think at all. I really care not to know about the specifics on a lot of things that happen around me and in the world because it would just take years off of my life I'm sure.

I know that I understand little to nothing about the world, let alone the universe.. I'm not really into religions but I'm not a person who believes that there is definitely some type of purpose regardless if I know what it is.

Maybe its a symptom of reading too many fantasy books but even though I don't feel strongly that there is a positive outcome to all of our existence, I willfully embrace the possibility of anything happening to alleviate my negative outlook on life.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power

As far-fetched as it sounds I really think that's our best hope, aside from mining asteroids, which IMO is more likely to get the necessary financial backing since oil can be hoarded and will be especially valuable by the time such measures have become necessary.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177508 - 11/23/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Killing Jews... bad idea. :takingnotes:



Who said anything about killing them? I prefer enslavement and yet they shall be treated with respect and dignity though bound to servitude for all eternity unless they give up that ball of gold coins hanging around their neck...nope...not the decoy...the real gold


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: koraks]
    #19177513 - 11/23/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's just that the amount of energy stored in oil is ridiculous, there's no indication we'll get anything better.



Nuclear for example. And that hasn't taken over the world. Why? Economics. The extraction and use of nuclear energy is relatively cumbersome and therefore expensive in comparison with other sources. Once oil becomes cumbersome (and it does), it'll become less attractive as well.




There are a lot of strikes against nuclear energy aside from the cost. For example, the waste problem. And the Fukushima incident hasn't really set a good precedent for safety. I just keep seeing visions of a future where the world is full of ancient nuclear disasters, held in slow motion by a priestly caste of civil engineers demanding exorbitant tributes from the confused and fearful masses... :whoa:


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177526 - 11/23/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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There are a lot of strikes against nuclear energy aside from the cost.



They all translate into economic costs. Waste: costly to manage, let alone to clean up. Safety risks: idem. That's not to say they are purely economic costs; they obviously have societal and environmental aspects too (or primarily), but that doesn't take away the economic impact. In fact, the only reason why fossil fuels are still relatively attractive is due to the imperfections of the economics surrounding them, as there is no economic mechanism in place to demand the cleanup of their waste or the replenishment of their stocks. The latter we seem to find acceptable as a society, but the former is becoming less and less accepted, which is a factor in the rising costs associated with the use of fossil fuels.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: koraks]
    #19177968 - 11/23/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nuclear power can't replace fossil fuels, though. 

First, it only generates electricity which is useless for cars and planes unless we get a whole lot better batteries. 

Second, it's not a renewable resource either. 

Finally, the amount of nuclear plants it would take to replace fossil fuel electricity generation alone is astronomical.  If you want to replace oil, too, you're talking about many more than that. 

It's just not possible to replace fossil fuel solely with nuclear fission plants...It's not possible to replace 25% of it with fission.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177975 - 11/23/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Nuclear power can't replace fossil fuels, though. 

First, it only generates electricity which is useless for cars and planes unless we get a whole lot better batteries. 

Second, it's not a renewable resource either. 

Finally, the amount of nuclear plants it would take to replace fossil fuel electricity generation alone is astronomical.  If you want to replace oil, too, you're talking about many more than that. 

It's just not possible to replace fossil fuel solely with nuclear fission plants...It's not possible to replace 25% of it with fission.



Not renewable, but there's enough thorium to meet the earths power need for as long as the current relationship between the earth and sun exists. Thats a really long time.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19177998 - 11/23/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think you're overstating the amount of energy that can be generated and underestimating the amount that will be used in the future, but it MIGHT be a better way to go IF we ever get the technology to work well on a large scale.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19178004 - 11/23/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2003/02/17/337289/

By linking to this I am in no way endorsing its content.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19178006 - 11/23/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

PROBLEM SOLVED!


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19178012 - 11/23/13 08:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think you're overstating the abundance of thorium, but it MIGHT be a better way to go IF we ever get the technology to work well on a large scale.



Nope,
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The Thorium Energy Alliance (TEA), an educational advocacy organization, emphasizes that "there is enough thorium in the United States alone to power the country at its current energy level for over 10,000 years."[3


They might be a biased source though.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19178220 - 11/23/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

10,000 years isn't even close to being "as the current relationship between the earth and sun exists"

You overstated your position.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19178227 - 11/23/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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10,000 years isn't even close to being "as the current relationship between the earth and sun exists"

You overstated your position.



I read that once, but now I can't find it.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19178244 - 11/23/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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10,000 years isn't even close to being "as the current relationship between the earth and sun exists"

You overstated your position.




And you're understating the significance of 10,000 years.


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