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Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print.
    #19177499 - 11/23/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Word. I`d take ID advice here, but I mainly wanted to show how closely 2 mushrooms can look together, and share the same habitat. In this case all mushrooms came from the same pile of dung!

I didn`t notice any of the differences between my mushrooms until a sporeprint revealed I had a mixed collection.

Two of  the mushrooms have `fine squamules` that became more obvious as they dried. They also had a purplish blackish brown deposit where the  majority that had no squamules on the stipe, had black deposits. The black spored mushrooms dried a dingy yellowy ochrey brassy tone and the zones became much less obviated

The photographs show a subtle difference in gill hues, but this was easily overlooked with the naked eye.

My two guesses are Panaeolus castaneifolius as per the description in PMOTW and Psthryella hirta as per the description in R Phillips `Musrooms of NA, but they are just guesses.

Third from left= Imposter



Far left=Imposter

Far left, Far Right=Imposter

Far left, Far Right=Imposter

Bumpy stipe - Just for the record, the 4 large prints to the right are Pan paps, and unrelated to this post. The black print on the left is the alleged "Panaeolus castaneifolius", which I've read could also be "olivaceus".

Spore deposit off black= Imposter


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Re: Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19179377 - 11/23/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've changed this to an ID request, in hopes to bring this to attention to those who study Panaeolus. I'm getting more curious.

I just read of the likely synonymy of castaneifolius, and olivaceus, so that's neat.

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Re: Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19179436 - 11/23/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think you have P. olivaceus and P. cinctulus, but that's just me. :shrug: I don't see why those two couldn't have slightly different spore casts. Some species of Psilocybe have slightly different shades of purple-brown spore prints. I have seen a P. allenii print that is almost green. :eek:


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(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print. [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19179463 - 11/23/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hashfinger said:
I think you have P. olivaceus and P. cinctulus, but that's just me. :shrug: I don't see why those two couldn't have slightly different spore casts. Some species of Psilocybe have slightly different shades of purple-brown spore prints. I have seen a P. allenii print that is almost green. :eek:




Yeah my P.allenii prints are often really light in color :strokebeard:


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Re: Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print. [Re: applesmasher420]
    #19179471 - 11/23/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just don't see Psathyrella... You know you've got a Psathyrella by the way the cap breaks apart and the stems "crack" and split easily.


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(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print. [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19179533 - 11/23/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: awesome pics BTW OP!!


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Re: Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print. [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19179597 - 11/23/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I hear that, they are very fragile. This wasn't. The "hirta" photos on google images are dissimilar to this one also. The Bumpy stem feature only appeared with the slightly different gilled ones, and these ones also had an off black spore print. I'm thinking one is not a Panaeolus still.

Thanks art


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Re: Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print. [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19179619 - 11/23/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup: sorry I'm no help...I'm no good with Panaeolus sp. yet...


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Re: Panaeolus Doppelganger - The value of the Spore print. [Re: art2312]
    #19180271 - 11/23/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Okay so I had a second chance to look at your photos more closely, and I have concluded that your "mystery doppleganger" is Panaeolus cinctulus. Notice how the margin of the cap of the two specimens on the far edges in the group photos have a dark band around them. Also, the bumpy stems and what appear to be darker black gills (not charcoal grey) and clearly visible whitish gill edges. The variation in the zonates is an important macroscopic feature to consider, yet we can only go so far without proper microscopy... But I assure you all your finds are active Panaeolus. :thumbup: The others are most likely Panaeolus olivaceus, if you have found them before... I am not so familiar with them. I believe Panaeolus castaneifolius is an old synonym of P. olivaceus.


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(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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