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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate] * 1
    #19177418 - 11/23/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My point is one person could come in our lifetime and change the way we think about anything instantly. From what we eat, to what we drive, to what we use for fuel... ANYTHING.



I think that is incredibly naïve.  We don't live in a time where a man, acting alone, can suddenly rethink the whole paradigm.  100 years ago that was possible because technology was in its infancy.  Today, just to get started, you have to learn what people have been developing over the last 100 year so that you can use that as a starting point.  It's highly unlikely that you'll have another Edison or Tesla inventing at the grass-roots level and creating some  brand new technology that saves the world.

That's just not the world we live in anymore.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177424 - 11/23/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure people couldn't imagine that a weapon would be created that would level entire cities... But someone came along and made it happen, in one lifetime.

There are multiple examples of things like this happening throughout history.. Why would you think fuel or anything else for that matter is excluded from them?


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19177425 - 11/23/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I believe nuclear fusion is attainable at some point in the future, or that we can harvest enough energy from the sun (either terrestrially or extra-terrestrially)  to make up a large percentage of what would be lost from fossil fuels.  Besides that, current nuclear technology, and future wind, hydro, along better storage devices could pick up some of the slack.



That's a lot of new technologies to develop.  In terms of storage alone, batteries would have to advance 100 times more than they have over the last 50 years. 

Like I said, we're not even close.  I think it was disingenuous for you to call my statement disingenuous.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: NWlight]
    #19177430 - 11/23/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think that most animals are a few millions years away from evolving our level of intelligence, by which time we will be, ostensibly, more intelligent as well.


we're running a race and we were given a ridiculous head start




Evolution doesn't guarantee we're going to get smarter. If stupid people make more babies (and they do) then intelligence is an evolutionary disadvantage for humanity.




IMO this is a completely fair and accurate description of the current predicament. Ten thousand years of technological development has been slowly de-emphasizing the necessity of intelligence for human survival. It's on the record that our brains are shrinking.

The greeks knew 2500 years ago that the Earth was round, well enough to accurately calculate its size. A lot of people today figure it was impossible to know that sort of thing before technology made it possible to see pictures taken from orbit.



despite the seeming lack of importance of intelligence, what is most important is how smart the smartest people are.

For example, it is now common for high school physics students to learn things which were groundbreaking only a few hundred years ago.

I think as a whole we are still making a ton of progress, exponentially too




Good point. But when there are billions of idiots thousands of geniuses won't even be able to save themselves.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate] * 1
    #19177434 - 11/23/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah..Real intelligent to assume that we are nowhere near being able to use any alternative fuel.




It's not an assumption though.  We've got nothing even close to being able to replace fossil fuel.




It IS an assumption. You are right in that we aren't close to anything that could replace it. But it is still an assumption that there won't be something that makes itself immediately readily available.

If you can't look through history and the way things are, and all the different things that have happened over time as well as things that happened almost instantly and see what I'm saying that I don't know what to tell you.

I know it sounds cheesy when someone says anything is possible.. but really its true.




Honestly I can't see anything replacing oil. The problem with a lot of alternative fuel sources is that they're mainly for show, they require oil to manufacture. Most "green" or "sustainable" fuels have been an epic bust: they're only sustainable IF an alternative energy source as good as or better than oil is discovered.

I've always been big on the idea of giant orbiting solar batteries, but that's not talked about much in serious circles from what I can tell. But it would really be the only way to bypass the bottleneck in energy availability without actually harvesting asteroids, which I think is much more likely-- we're already set up to burn oil and there is a lot of it within the solar system. The technology and resources exist, but the motivation hasn't hit anybody yet. I'm pretty sure it will be tapped before catastrophic shortages occur, and we'll just keep burning it until we can't think of a reason to live anymore.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate]
    #19177435 - 11/23/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm sure people couldn't imagine that a weapon would be created that would level entire cities... But someone came along and made it happen, in one lifetime.

There are multiple examples of things like this happening throughout history.. Why would you think fuel or anything else for that matter is excluded from them?



Of course it's possible.  It's unlikely, though.  All of the inventions of this century and the last have been paid for by fossil fuel.  Humans didn't invent fossil fuel, and it's unlikely we're going to invent something that can give us what fossil fuel gives us.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177440 - 11/23/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is no such thing as not being in "the world we live in anymore". The world is constantly changing, always, it is never the same. It makes no difference if things have been stagnant for a while since an explosion in technology.

It's not naive to think that it's possible that someone could come along and solve problems that we thought impossible. Thinking anything is impossible is extremely ignorant. Thinking something nearly impossible is just the same.

I'm certainly not saying that it is highly likely, but neither am I going to say it is highly unlikely. Neither you, me nor anyone else can say that with any definitive answer.

It's like I said, anything is possible and thinking otherwise is extremely ignorant.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177443 - 11/23/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just saying that its not very unlikely either. I'm neither saying its likely or unlikely.. More like saying its a little bit to the unlikely but more towards the middle.

I'm just not comfortable making any guarantees, about ANYTHING in this world. I think it would be extremely foolish to do so.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177445 - 11/23/13 01:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That's a lot of new technologies to develop.  In terms of storage alone, batteries would have to advance 100 times more than they have over the last 50 years. 

Like I said, we're not even close.  I think it was disingenuous for you to call my statement disingenuous.




Yeah, and you claim there is no Edison or Tesla or Einstein in today's age.  There is still a fuck ton of technology to think of, and we have more geniuses on the planet that we know what to do with.  People say without Einstein, we would have have had his work (about relativity) in another 50-70 years, but he came up with it at a ridiculously early time. 

The next Einstein could be in India, China, Germany, US, or come from bumfuck nowhere on the global map.  It took modern humans around 5000 years to go from Stonehedge to landing on the fucking moon. 

This shit doesn't happen overnight, and as long as people are serious about dampening accelerating climate change, I think we, as a species, have the capacity to come up with some of this stuff.  As long as we don't self annihilate, we'll be good.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate]
    #19177446 - 11/23/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Aren't German Jews the smartest people in the world...let us enslave a few and force them to invent needed things such as a teleport device or a hovering car :shrug:


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate] * 1
    #19177449 - 11/23/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's like I said, anything is possible and thinking otherwise is extremely ignorant.



I think that saying "anything is possible" is probably the most ignorant and naïve thing someone could ever say.  There are plenty of things that are simply not possible.  I can 100% guarantee you that a dragon isn't going to burn the white house down with it's fire breath tonight..

For you to believe that it's possible is beyond naïve.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: 245willow19]
    #19177450 - 11/23/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Killing Jews... bad idea. :takingnotes:


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177451 - 11/23/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I agree. I don't see anything replacing it either. But I've not seen things in the past that I would never have imagined possible. That's why I'm not comfortable saying that something isn't going to happen because it seems impossible.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177453 - 11/23/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's like I said, anything is possible and thinking otherwise is extremely ignorant.



I think that saying "anything is possible" is probably the most ignorant and naïve thing someone could ever say.  There are plenty of things that are simply not possible.  I can 100% guarantee you that a dragon isn't going to burn the white house down with it's fire breath tonight..

For you to believe that it's possible is beyond naïve.




I'll dream it, it will seem totally real and I'll remember you saying this and think "Whoa, Enlil was totally off base on that one!" :datass:


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    #19177454 - 11/23/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's like I said, anything is possible and thinking otherwise is extremely ignorant.



I think that saying "anything is possible" is probably the most ignorant and naïve thing someone could ever say.  There are plenty of things that are simply not possible.  I can 100% guarantee you that a dragon isn't going to burn the white house down with it's fire breath tonight..

For you to believe that it's possible is beyond naïve.




You could probably say that with 100% confidence that in the next million years something like that won't exist, but that isn't how evolution works, dude.  All you need is reptile/bird that burps up a flammable gas then snaps their teeth and bam, you have a dragon.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177455 - 11/23/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if the dream brings you some visual thrill, then I hope you do.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19177460 - 11/23/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You could probably say that with 100% confidence that in the next million years something like that won't exist, but that isn't how evolution works, dude.  All you need is reptile/bird that burps up a flammable gas then snaps their teeth and bam, you have a dragon.



How is that relevant to anything I said, holmes?  Was the word "tonight" unclear?


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177461 - 11/23/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah..because we know for certain out of the thousands of galaxies that there aren't any dragons.. and we can safely say that it is impossible that they won't come here.

Yeah, that's not ignorant or anything.

I'm not going to write in a book that dragons are coming to rain fire on us from above.. But I'm not going to fucking say that I can safely say they won't..

There is a huge difference between saying that more then likely will never happen and saying that it is impossible.

I'm happy for you that you have such a large understanding of the way the entire universe works, outside of our little world. As well as the power to predict the things that will never happen therefore being able to label them as impossible.

I wish I had that power, but I don't.


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    #19177464 - 11/23/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's like I said, anything is possible and thinking otherwise is extremely ignorant.



I think that saying "anything is possible" is probably the most ignorant and naïve thing someone could ever say.  There are plenty of things that are simply not possible.  I can 100% guarantee you that a dragon isn't going to burn the white house down with it's fire breath tonight..

For you to believe that it's possible is beyond naïve.




You could probably say that with 100% confidence that in the next million years something like that won't exist, but that isn't how evolution works, dude.  All you need is reptile/bird that burps up a flammable gas then snaps their teeth and bam, you have a dragon.




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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate]
    #19177465 - 11/23/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You're still young.  You'll develop it over time.


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