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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19177372 - 11/23/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty sure we're close to discovering cellulosic ethanol and algae derived biodiesel.

Pretty much equivalent to gasoline and regular diesel.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19177376 - 11/23/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the species will be extinct long before we ever mine an asteroid.  And there is every indication that we have reached peak oil or will reach peak oil within the next decade or two.  The party's gonna wind down sooner than later.




Oh yes,  Homo sapiens sapiens will be long gone before we ever mine an asteroid.  Our hominid descendents, however, will be alive and kicking.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177377 - 11/23/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The only reason stupid people would make stupid babies is either  bya irth defects or poor upbringing and lack of education...otherwise your agrument is complete nonsense no matter how you try and put it




I find it hard to imagine that the performance of an organ as complex as the brain would be completely unaffected by genetic variation. If intelligence is seen in terms of neuroplasticity, of the brain's capacity to quickly adapt to changes in circumstance, genetics would be more important than upbringing. But if it's in terms of knowing your ABC's, then sure, I concede your point.



So you believe a child raised in the ghetto and told silly things like, "You gon die tomorrow if you don't bark like a dog" or "The white man is keeping us down, we're different, we're don't need no white man's education, stay true and pure to your kind."...are you telling me this wouldn't have a significant affect on a child in any sort of way? Sure, some may not heed what their elders say and advise, but not all...you'll always get those mindless fools who like to follow and mimic others...the performing dogs of society...monkey see, monkey do :shrug:. Upbringing plays an important role in education and intelligent...there's no doubt about it.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate]
    #19177378 - 11/23/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah..Real intelligent to assume that we are nowhere near being able to use any alternative fuel.




It's not an assumption though.  We've got nothing even close to being able to replace fossil fuel.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177381 - 11/23/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's not an assumption though.  We've got nothing even close to being able to replace fossil fuel.




Fossil fuels are #1 of course, but to say we have "nothing even close" to fossil fuels is disingenuous at best.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177385 - 11/23/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's not what I was trying to say. There is absolutely nothing that is concrete in this world. Just because me or you, or anyone else on this planet have no alternatives to the way things are, doesn't necessarily mean someone else won't be able to find any.

At points all through history there are things that people never thought possible, and yet someone came along and changed that AND the world completely. We have limited knowledge of this planet, let alone the universe. For all we know we will create a stargate to another planet that has everything we need..

Obviously I'm being a little excessive but it should make what I'm trying to say more readily apparent.

I'm not a dreamer and I'm not that intelligent, but I know that amazing things happen all the time, thing's we never could imagine. Anything is possible. I'm not confident that it will happen, but that doesn't mean that it won't.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19177387 - 11/23/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh yes,  Homo sapiens sapiens will be long gone before we ever mine an asteroid.  Our hominid descendents, however, will be alive and kicking.



Unlikely that any species on this planet will ever mine an asteroid.  We hit the lottery with fossil fuel because we got to enjoy the stored solar energy from millions of years of the earth being heated by the sun.  We're going to burn through that in a matter of few hundred years, and that'll be that.  The next species won't have those lottery winnings to work with.  I doubt they'll be able to get to an asteroid before an asteroid (or other mass extinction event) wipes them all out.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: LordSenate]
    #19177389 - 11/23/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah..Real intelligent to assume that we are nowhere near being able to use any alternative fuel.

It's not like we've ever had someone come along in one lifetime and completely change the way the world functions or anything. :cookiemonster:




Time will tell. Right now we're well aware of the damage fossil fuels are doing to the environment but the alternative remains nowhere to be found. It's there because energy is in everything but we'll be lucky to avoid extinction during the transition. Scoff all you want.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19177392 - 11/23/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Fossil fuels are #1 of course, but to say we have "nothing even close" to fossil fuels is disingenuous at best.



What do we have that is close to being able to replace fossil fuels?  I'm all eyes.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177394 - 11/23/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think that most animals are a few millions years away from evolving our level of intelligence, by which time we will be, ostensibly, more intelligent as well.


we're running a race and we were given a ridiculous head start




Evolution doesn't guarantee we're going to get smarter. If stupid people make more babies (and they do) then intelligence is an evolutionary disadvantage for humanity.




IMO this is a completely fair and accurate description of the current predicament. Ten thousand years of technological development has been slowly de-emphasizing the necessity of intelligence for human survival. It's on the record that our brains are shrinking.

The greeks knew 2500 years ago that the Earth was round, well enough to accurately calculate its size. A lot of people today figure it was impossible to know that sort of thing before technology made it possible to see pictures taken from orbit.



despite the seeming lack of importance of intelligence, what is most important is how smart the smartest people are.

For example, it is now common for high school physics students to learn things which were groundbreaking only a few hundred years ago.

I think as a whole we are still making a ton of progress, exponentially too


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19177395 - 11/23/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The only reason stupid people would make stupid babies is either by birth defects which would render the child mentally handicap or a poor upbringing and lack of education...otherwise your agrument is complete nonsense no matter how you try and put i




Quality education and good upbringing doesn't alter DNA encoding.



When did I say that...of course, it doesn't, any sane and sound minded simian ape knows that :lmafo:. I was talking about the level of intelligence which can be impaired by an unfortunate and troublesome childhood, not always, but generally speaking, those with severe hardship in their life tend to either do exceptionally well in academics or fall to the lowest category in society and become scum of the scum. When talking about IQ or intelligence, it's very fluid, where does it start and where does it end? Would you deem a bushman intelligence compaired to a physicians or biologist?


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177398 - 11/23/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah..Real intelligent to assume that we are nowhere near being able to use any alternative fuel.




It's not an assumption though.  We've got nothing even close to being able to replace fossil fuel.




It IS an assumption. You are right in that we aren't close to anything that could replace it. But it is still an assumption that there won't be something that makes itself immediately readily available.

If you can't look through history and the way things are, and all the different things that have happened over time as well as things that happened almost instantly and see what I'm saying that I don't know what to tell you.

I know it sounds cheesy when someone says anything is possible.. but really its true.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177402 - 11/23/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

To each their own.  Our sun puts out such intensity of energy on a minute by minute basis that if we could even harvest a fraction of it, we could replace fossil fuels.

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Fossil fuels are #1 of course, but to say we have "nothing even close" to fossil fuels is disingenuous at best.



What do we have that is close to being able to replace fossil fuels?  I'm all eyes.




I guess it all depends on what you consider "close."


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: 245willow19] * 1
    #19177403 - 11/23/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Esekon Kelly said:
The only reason stupid people would make stupid babies is either  bya irth defects or poor upbringing and lack of education...otherwise your agrument is complete nonsense no matter how you try and put it




I find it hard to imagine that the performance of an organ as complex as the brain would be completely unaffected by genetic variation. If intelligence is seen in terms of neuroplasticity, of the brain's capacity to quickly adapt to changes in circumstance, genetics would be more important than upbringing. But if it's in terms of knowing your ABC's, then sure, I concede your point.



So you believe a child raised in the ghetto and told silly things like, "You gon die tomorrow if you don't bark like a dog" or "The white man is keeping us down, we're different, we're don't need no white man's education, stay true and pure to your kind."...are you telling me this wouldn't have a significant affect on a child in any sort of way? Sure, some may not heed what their elders say and advise, but not all...you'll always get those mindless fools who like to follow and mimic others...the performing dogs of society...monkey see, monkey do :shrug:. Upbringing plays an important role in education and intelligent...there's no doubt about it.




Again, it depends on how you define intelligence. My first definition makes no comment on the scenario you describe. As organisms shaped by natural selection, the only thing we can count on our biology for is survival, and quite often that has nothing to do with social or economic advancement. When the world goes to hell, we'll really see who's got the brains and who's been faking it.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: 245willow19]
    #19177405 - 11/23/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's not an assumption though.  We've got nothing even close to being able to replace fossil fuel.



Didn't the Nazis use beak nosed semitic carcasses consisting of men, women and children to fuel their trains and enormous furnaces. I've heard a single corpse of a person of semitic descent can burn for at least eight weeks, it's better than any fossil fuel and the rough meat can feed a family of ten :eek:


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19177407 - 11/23/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess it all depends on what you consider "close."



I'll make it easy.  What do we have that can replace 50% of OIL CONSUMPTION?


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19177409 - 11/23/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah..Real intelligent to assume that we are nowhere near being able to use any alternative fuel.

It's not like we've ever had someone come along in one lifetime and completely change the way the world functions or anything. :cookiemonster:




Time will tell. Right now we're well aware of the damage fossil fuels are doing to the environment but the alternative remains nowhere to be found. It's there because energy is in everything but we'll be lucky to avoid extinction during the transition. Scoff all you want.




Nowhere did I say that it was a forgone conclusion. I made it readily apparent my lack of confidence in it happening. But that is a far cry from saying we're far from finding anything to use as a replacement.

My point is one person could come in our lifetime and change the way we think about anything instantly. From what we eat, to what we drive, to what we use for fuel... ANYTHING.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19177412 - 11/23/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The only reason stupid people would make stupid babies is either  bya irth defects or poor upbringing and lack of education...otherwise your agrument is complete nonsense no matter how you try and put it




I find it hard to imagine that the performance of an organ as complex as the brain would be completely unaffected by genetic variation. If intelligence is seen in terms of neuroplasticity, of the brain's capacity to quickly adapt to changes in circumstance, genetics would be more important than upbringing. But if it's in terms of knowing your ABC's, then sure, I concede your point.



So you believe a child raised in the ghetto and told silly things like, "You gon die tomorrow if you don't bark like a dog" or "The white man is keeping us down, we're different, we're don't need no white man's education, stay true and pure to your kind."...are you telling me this wouldn't have a significant affect on a child in any sort of way? Sure, some may not heed what their elders say and advise, but not all...you'll always get those mindless fools who like to follow and mimic others...the performing dogs of society...monkey see, monkey do :shrug:. Upbringing plays an important role in education and intelligent...there's no doubt about it.




Again, it depends on how you define intelligence. My first definition makes no comment on the scenario you describe. As organisms shaped by natural selection, the only thing we can count on our biology for is survival, and quite often that has nothing to do with social or economic advancement. When the world goes to hell, we'll really see who's got the brains and who's been faking it.



Well said :cheers:


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177414 - 11/23/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You aren't making it easy, at all. Saying what do we have now that would replace 50% oil consumption doesn't change anything. You can use it as an indicator of the likelihood that we will find a replacement, but making it seem like its nearly impossible is horse shit.


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Re: Humans and slaves [Re: Enlil]
    #19177417 - 11/23/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess it all depends on what you consider "close."



I'll make it easy.  What do we have that can replace 50% of OIL CONSUMPTION?




I believe nuclear fusion is attainable at some point in the future, or that we can harvest enough energy from the sun (either terrestrially or extra-terrestrially)  to make up a large percentage of what would be lost from fossil fuels.  Besides that, current nuclear technology, and future wind, hydro, along better storage devices could pick up some of the slack.


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