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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Le_Canard] * 8
    #19176316 - 11/22/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

goddamn I really wish our anscestors picked their own cotton:facepalm:


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #19176330 - 11/22/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd say the rap-inspired "thug" culture has a lot to do with it too.



Rap didn't inspire thug culture.  Thug culture inspired rap.


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19176338 - 11/22/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wasn't there rap that was not thuggish BEFORE thug type rap? I'm not really sure.


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19176339 - 11/22/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I see. Hm, well, makes sense, I suppose..


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: LordSenate]
    #19176359 - 11/22/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wasn't there rap that was not thuggish BEFORE thug type rap? I'm not really sure.


The very earliest rap (think Blondie in the early eighties if you will) was not particularly thuggish until the thugs embraced it.  Hence my point about causality.  The thug came before the music.  The music did not make the thug.


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19176369 - 11/22/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LordSenate said:
Wasn't there rap that was not thuggish BEFORE thug type rap? I'm not really sure.


The very earliest rap (think Blondie in the early eighties if you will) was not particularly thuggish until the thugs embraced it.  Hence my point about causality.  The thug came before the music.  The music did not make the thug.



o rly?

sugar hill GANG?


NWA circa 1988


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19176403 - 11/22/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Blondie, Rapture 1980.


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19176415 - 11/22/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Blondie, Rapture 1980.



blondie?you think dudes in the street were digging blondies "rap"?

give me a break sugar hill GANG were the pioneers of rap not fucking blondie:lol::rolleyes:


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19176429 - 11/22/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

mammals? yes. humans? :ilold:


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19176431 - 11/22/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm:  Can you follow a point at all?  There were thugs long before there was rap.  Rap "culture" did not make thugs.  Rap wasn't even particularly thuggish until thugs embraced it.  Thugs suck and I hope they get shot whether they rap or not.


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19176442 - 11/22/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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:facepalm:  Can you follow a point at all?  There were thugs long before there was rap.  Rap "culture" did not make thugs.  Rap wasn't even particularly thuggish until thugs embraced it.  Thugs suck and I hope they get shot whether they rap or not.





look at this dude.you think he wouldn't be like this if it wasn't for rap culture? :scumbagsteve:


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19176477 - 11/22/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, he looks like he might be Obama's son.  :grin:


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19176507 - 11/22/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:ilold:
good one:awehigh:

but seriously if a group of any young rough and tumble dudes walk by me ive always been on alert since day one,way,way before the "knockout game"ever started..they better just jump me because id be watching too closely for them to land a straight sucker-haymaker on me..i always say as long as yer a legal citizen,carry a nice,sheathed,fixed blade knife with you for protection,some LE grade OC spray or a taser


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19176510 - 11/22/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OC spray :perc: :smirk:


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19176513 - 11/22/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I'd say like 30% of fight videos on the internet are a sucker punch knockout. Gotta always be on alert. Sometimes that isn't even enough.


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: qman]
    #19176575 - 11/22/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You've never played the knockout game..?


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: qman]
    #19178372 - 11/23/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

From the inimitable Mark Steyn:

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Speaking of appetite, have you played the “Knockout” game yet? Groups of black youths roam the streets, looking for a solitary pedestrian, preferably white (hence the alternate name “polar-bearing”) but Asian or Hispanic will do. The trick is to knock him to the ground with a single punch. There’s a virtually limitless supply of targets: in New York, a 78-year-old woman was selected, and went down nice and easy, as near-octogenarian biddies tend to when sucker-punched. But, when you’re really rockin’, you can not only floor the unsuspecting sucker but kill him: that’s what happened to 46-year-old Ralph Santiago of Hoboken, N.J., whose head was slammed into an iron fence, whereupon he slumped to the sidewalk with his neck broken. And, anyway, the one-punch rule is flexible: In upstate New York, a 13-year-old boy socked 51-year-old Michael Daniels but with insufficient juice to down him. So his buddy threw a bonus punch, and the guy died from cerebral bleeding. Widely available video exists of almost all Knockout incidents, since the really cool thing is to have your buddies film it and upload it to YouTube. And it’s so simple to do in an age when every moronic savage has his own “smartphone.”

There’s no economic motive. The 78-year-old in New York was laden with bags from department stores, but none was touched. You slug an elderly widow not for the 50 bucks in her purse but for the satisfaction of seeing her hit the pavement. In response, some commentators are calling for these attacks to be re-categorized: As things stand, if white youths target a black guy it’s a hate crime, but vice versa is merely common assault. I doubt this would make very much difference. “No justification of virtue will enable a man to be virtuous,” wrote Lewis – and, likewise, no law can prevent a thug punching an old lady to the ground if the thug is minded to. “A society’s first line of defense is not the law but customs, traditions, and moral values,” wrote Professor Walter Williams a few years ago. “They include important thou-shalt-nots such as shalt not murder, shalt not steal, shalt not lie and cheat, but they also include all those courtesies one might call ladylike and gentlemanly conduct. Policemen and laws can never replace these restraints on personal conduct.”

Restraint is an unfashionable concept these days, but it is the indispensable feature of civilized society. To paraphrase my compatriot George Jonas, punching a spinster’s lights out isn’t wrong because it’s illegal, it’s illegal because it’s wrong. But, in a world without restraints, what’s to stop you? If a certain percentage of your population feels no moral revulsion at randomly pulverizing fellow citizens for sport, a million laws will avail you naught: The societal safety lock is off.



More at the link. Go there and read it. It's good.



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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Phred]
    #19178408 - 11/23/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This game sounds fun.  I propose a new set of targets though:  any group of black teens who look like they might be trying to play the knockout game.


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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: Schmendrick] * 1
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Re: "Knockout game" violence [Re: morrowasted]
    #19183219 - 11/24/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://nypost.com/2013/11/23/al-sharpton-condemns-knockout-attacks/

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Rev. Al Sharpton condemned “knockout” attacks Saturday but stopped short of calling for marches against the brutal hate crimes.

“This kind of behavior is deplorable and must be condemned by all us,” he said at his weekly National Action Network meeting in Harlem. “We would not be silent if it was the other way around. We cannot be silent or in any way reluctant to confront it when it is coming from our own community.”




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