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Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing
#19176112 - 11/22/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing reason.com
Norman Gurley, 30, is facing drug-related charges in Lorain County, Ohio, despite the fact that state troopers did not actually find any drugs in his possession.
Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.
Gurley is the first actual person arrested under the law. WKYC in Northeast Ohio covered the arrest, with no notable journalistic skepticism whatsoever:
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They pulled over the driver for speeding, but then troopers noticed several wires running to the back of the car.
Those wires then led them directly to a hidden compartment.
Around 5 p.m. on Tuesday state troopers made the arrest under the law, which is meant to combat criminals who modify the inside of their car, allowing them to store drugs or weapons inside secret compartments, which can often only be accessed electronically.
They just noticed some wires, did they? Just while in the process of handing Gurley a speeding ticket, they noticed the wires?
They did not, however, find any drugs, which means they’re arresting Gurley for the crime of an empty space:
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Troopers arrested 30-year-old Norman Gurley, who didn't even have any drugs on him, but it didn't matter, because in Ohio, just driving a "trap" car is now a felony.
"Without the hidden compartment law, we would not have had any charges on the suspect," says Combs.
But because of this law, one more "trap car" is now off Northeast Ohio roads.
"We apparently caught them between runs, so to speak, so this takes away one tool they have in their illegal trade. The law does help us and is on our side," says Combs.
Combs’ claim is not challenged by the news station at all.
The law says it’s only a crime if the hidden compartment is added with the “intent” to conceal drugs, but it also outlaws anybody who has been convicted of felony aggravated drug trafficking laws from operating any vehicle with hidden compartments. The ACLU of Ohio warned against the new legislation:
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The ACLU of Ohio believes SB 305 is an unnecessary and unproductive expansion of law. Drug trafficking is already prohibited under Ohio law, so there is no use for shifting the focus to the container. Further by focusing on the container itself, this bill criminalizes a person with prior felony drug trafficking convictions simply for driving a car with a hidden compartment, regardless of whether or not drugs or even drug residue are present.
Given this is the first arrest, you have to wonder how the courts might view a law making it a felony to alter a person's own property for reasons that have nothing to do with actual public safety. Maybe we'll see.
As for the car itself, the Institute for Justice’s 2010 “Policing for Profit” report calculated that law enforcement officials in the state have collected more than $80 million in shared proceeds from asset forfeiture funds. Oh, and the hidden compartment law exempts vehicles being operated by law enforcement officers, so if state troopers can come up with an excuse to use the ride they just grabbed, they may be able to keep it for themselves.
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Ythan]
#19176125 - 11/22/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ya weve been talkin about this locally..
he got a fucking felony.. some don't think he can fight it since they have all the proof they need in court.. his car
doesnt matter one bit they didn't find anything.. because of this stupid law
so ya fucking blows man
Edited by aysen (11/22/13 07:11 PM)
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: aysen]
#19176236 - 11/22/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I eagerly await the day I can get out of this sh*thole country and just post up in the middle of nowhere where they cant come arrest me for a secret compartment
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Chuckfinely] 1
#19176255 - 11/22/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't understand how that can claim to know his intent at all. Why should the assumption be that a secret hiding place can only conceal contraband? It can just as easily conceal anything else from potential car burglars.
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Ellis Dee] 7
#19176287 - 11/22/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe he'd have gotten a lighter charge if the compartment was stuffed full of child porn.
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Ythan] 1
#19176329 - 11/22/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Repertoire89] 4
#19176402 - 11/22/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hate this country.
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Ellis Dee] 3
#19176453 - 11/22/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: I don't understand how that can claim to know his intent at all. Why should the assumption be that a secret hiding place can only conceal contraband? It can just as easily conceal anything else from potential car burglars.
I would be the first one to call that too since the number of times my car has been broken into is in the double digits. Of course maybe if the police did their job I wouldn't need a hiding spot.
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Ythan]
#19176479 - 11/22/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edit: Little too harsh.
Edited by MacMerdin (11/23/13 05:57 AM)
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: aysen]
#19176501 - 11/22/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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aysen said: because of this stupid law
Everyone knows that what Hitler did in Germany was legal........ correct?
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: MacMerdin] 2
#19176596 - 11/22/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just waiting till the day when ALL Americans will be arrested for manufacturing illegal drugs and require a surgery to stop this highly illegal activity. DMT in your pineal gland... Mark my words, this day is coming.
Fuck America, fuck Obama and fuck all their fascist laws.
PS think medical marihuana will take off? I give it 5 year before its illegal again.
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: my3rdeye]
#19176616 - 11/22/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said:
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Ellis Dee said: I don't understand how that can claim to know his intent at all. Why should the assumption be that a secret hiding place can only conceal contraband? It can just as easily conceal anything else from potential car burglars.
I would be the first one to call that too since the number of times my car has been broken into is in the double digits. Of course maybe if the police did their job I wouldn't need a hiding spot.
You read my mind. A friend of mine that lives in a high crime area doesn't lock his car anymore so they won't break his window anymore, just go in, take anything he left in it, and leave. A hiding spot would be perfect for someone like him. And people who live in lower crime areas like myself might enjoy the novelty of having a hiding spot like that not to mention that thieves commonly target the area for GPS and other small valuable things in people's vehicles.
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Ythan]
#19176651 - 11/22/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if there are any published pictures. It just sounds like an enclosed subwoofer box from the description. Pretty weak shit
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19176865 - 11/22/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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He might have had a felony aggravated drug trafficking conviction which makes intent irrelevant.
Either way, it's a fucked up law. If I carried a lot of cash or valuables in a car, I'd have a hidden compartment for it.
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Re: Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing [Re: Ythan]
#19177375 - 11/23/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ythan said:
Norman Gurley, 30, is facing drug-related charges in Lorain County, Ohio, despite the fact that state troopers did not actually find any drugs in his possession.
Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.Gurley is the first actual person arrested under the law.
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They pulled over the driver for speeding, but then troopers noticed several wires running to the back of the car.
Troopers arrested 30-year-old Norman Gurley, who didn't even have any drugs on him, but it didn't matter, because in Ohio, just driving a "trap" car is now a felony. But because of this law, one more "trap car" is now off Northeast Ohio roads.
"Without the hidden compartment law, we would not have had any charges on the suspect. We apparently caught them between runs, so to speak, so this takes away one tool they have in their illegal trade. The law does help us and is on our side," says Combs.
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