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Hooray4Hoffman
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Big in vitro mutha
#19175976 - 11/22/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I checked my BRF jars today hoping they'd be ready to spawn to a bulk coir tray this weekend.
One of them had a nice surprise waiting. Check out this guy:

So I'll harvest that and dry it out of course. Does the fact that a jar has begun to grow in vitro have any implications for the ability to use that same cake as spawn? To keep things simple I think I'd rather not try and grow that one as a cake (haven't had good luck in the past with cakes) but keep with the bulk tray plan (which has worked for me).
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kratom_redmomd
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Some say that invirtro pins could mean contam.
I have fruited mine, and they usually end up being monsters!
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OneiricOutsider
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That thing is pretty huge, nice surprise indeed. The cake was 100% colonized correct? Early invitro pinning can be a sign of contamination, it happened to me and I had to throw my cake out due to bacteria
Do you get better yields then, spawning BRF cakes to coir vs using them as cakes? I've always heard that "cakes work best as cakes", but I'd really like to spawn them to bulk just for fun/practice.
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Not much diff on yeild just a diffrent approach, I spawned mine to a mono for the set n forget or to trays for my gh because cakes never performed well in there
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: cronicr]
#19176043 - 11/22/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you are spawning to bulk your yield should increase because you are adding more nutrients and more water. OIO, I think maybe you are thinking about crumbling and casing (which is said to not necessarily increase yields) as opposed to doing a bulk grow, which actually increases the mycelial mass. This is what I recall from my reading so someone flame correct me if I'm wrong.
As for that jar having a contam, I sure hope not... two others in the batch caught bugs but that was fairly early on (the jars were noc'd up 10/6) so I'd like to think if this one was contamed it would've shown evidence by now.
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: cronicr]
#19176090 - 11/22/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When i did cakes i had the same thing happen and nearly the same size, no contams at all. that baby grew into a monster for a cake shroomie. Dont harvest it when you birth, let i go a few days and see what happens, you'll easily be able to tell if its dead/dieing. Mine seemed a lil dormant a few days then it took off. Just be careful birthing it, be as gentle as possible. Lol, easier said than done tho, in my case the virto wedged the cake in the jar and in the end the virto was nearly ripped off. I'v also heard that early harm to a pin can cause it to abort but im not one hundo on that. OH and back to the contams all the cakes lasted 3 flushes+
EDIT: 10/6 ?! did you use like .25 cc per jar lol? i had pint jars and it took 21 days max to colonize from MS. If that date is correct it could be contamed. only thing to do is birth that bitch and see whats poppin. hopefully it smells like fresh mushies and all goes well, good luck on your grow
Edited by Fangaz420 (11/22/13 07:05 PM)
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OneiricOutsider
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Yeah, I know bulk grows typically perform better, but that's usually in the context of using grains as spawn rather than BRF. I've seen it many times that BRF cakes just don't perform as well when broken up and spawned to substrate, although I don't really understand why that would be. More easily contaminated maybe? Idk, but thanks cronicr I think I'll give spawning cakes to bulk in an aluminum tray a shot Sorry to hijack the thread.
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cronicr



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Quote:
Hooray4Hoffman said: If you are spawning to bulk your yield should increase because you are adding more nutrients and more water. OIO, I think maybe you are thinking about crumbling and casing (which is said to not necessarily increase yields) as opposed to doing a bulk grow, which actually increases the mycelial mass. This is what I recall from my reading so someone flame correct me if I'm wrong.
As for that jar having a contam, I sure hope not... two others in the batch caught bugs but that was fairly early on (the jars were noc'd up 10/6) so I'd like to think if this one was contamed it would've shown evidence by now.
No I'm talking spqwning cakes which are already 2/3s verm to start, the increase in yield ain't much noticeable but I have had some awesome results
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: Fangaz420]
#19176282 - 11/22/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fangaz420 said: EDIT: 10/6 ?! did you use like .25 cc per jar lol? i had pint jars and it took 21 days max to colonize from MS. If that date is correct it could be contamed. only thing to do is birth that bitch and see whats poppin. hopefully it smells like fresh mushies and all goes well, good luck on your grow
Yeah I've been checking them now and then but have been busy so was in no real hurry. With some of the jars, not all four inoculation points took off, so those were colonizing more slowly and I wanted to let those finish as I planned to open them all up at the same time since I'd be shredding and spawning it all to bulk.
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Fangaz420
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ahhh, I guess I missed the part about you using them for bulk. If thats the case go grains bro, lot less colonization time, better nutrients for mushies, and just easier I think.
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: Fangaz420]
#19176448 - 11/22/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have done grains in the past -- never had a problem colonizing the jars, but both attempts at a monotub ended in contamination before fruits. 
In this case I went with BRF since I've had success going from that to a bulk tray and it's faster to prepare BRF jars than WBS. I think that (the latter) may have been the primary consideration in this case.
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cronicr



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you can still spawn them no worries
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: cronicr]
#19176670 - 11/22/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well thats your problem home slice, WBS is horrible. I dealt with that stuff for a few runs and quickly went to rye. Rinse,Soak,PC... cant beat that. When you transfer to your bulk how do you fruit? GH?
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: Fangaz420] 1
#19176877 - 11/22/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fangaz420 said: Well thats your problem home slice, WBS is horrible. I dealt with that stuff for a few runs and quickly went to rye. Rinse,Soak,PC... cant beat that. When you transfer to your bulk how do you fruit? GH?
Uhhhh there brf cakes, and wbs is not horrible its as reliable as any other grain
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: cronicr] 1
#19176895 - 11/22/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well he said he is crumbling them up to use for a bulk substrate. why i was wondering how he was gonna fruit, GH or SGFC. And as for WBS, i guess horrible was a bit harsh. Its works well, i just down right hated preparing that bs as he stated above being one of the reasons he went back to cakes.
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: Fangaz420]
#19177715 - 11/23/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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and it is neat
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Hooray4Hoffman
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Re: Big in vitro mutha [Re: tinkerous]
#19178221 - 11/23/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't found WBS to be difficult to prepare, just time-consuming (soak, wait, simmer, dry, wait, PC, wait...).
For this bulk tray, as with the last one, I will fruit in my SGFC.
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Hooray4Hoffman
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So here's that in vitro shroom. It weighed in at 7.4g wet so I'm expecting somewhere around 0.6g dry.
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