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206 Christian Contradictions Compiled [Linked between PSP and SM]
    #19174872 - 11/22/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Any christians in the house?

Explain please? :shrug:



  1. God is satisfied with his works
        Gen 1:31
        God is dissatisfied with his works. 
        Gen 6:6

    2. God dwells in chosen temples
        2 Chron 7:12,16
        God dwells not in temples
        Acts 7:48

    3. God dwells in light
        Tim 6:16
        God dwells in darkness
        1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

    4. God is seen and heard
        Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
          Ex 24:9-11
        God is invisible and cannot be heard
        John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

    5. God is tired and rests
        Ex 31:17
        God is never tired and never rests
        Is 40:28

    6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
        Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
        God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all     
        things
        Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

    7. God knows the hearts of men
        Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
        God tries men to find out what is in their heart
        Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

    8. God is all powerful
        Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
      God is not all powerful
        Judg 1:19

    9. God is unchangeable
        James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
        God is changeable
        Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
          Ex 33:1,3,17,14

    10. God is just and impartial
          Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
        God is unjust and partial
          Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

    11. God is the author of evil
          Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
        God is not the author of evil
          1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

    12. God gives freely to those who ask
          James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
        God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving   
        them
          John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

    13. God is to be found by those who seek him
          Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
        God is not to be found by those who seek him
          Prov 1:28

    14. God is warlike
          Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
        God is peaceful
          Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

    15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
          Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
        God is kind, merciful, and good
          James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/ 
          1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

    16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
          Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
        God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
          Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

    17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, 
        sacrifices ,and holy days
          Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
        God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,   
        sacrifices, and holy days.
          Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

    18. God accepts human sacrifices
          2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
        God forbids human sacrifice
          Deut 12:30,31

    19. God tempts men
          Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
        God tempts no man
          James 1:13

    20. God cannot lie
          Heb 6:18
        God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive
          2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

    21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
          Gen 6:5,7
        Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
          Gen 8:21

    22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
          Rom 1:20
        God's attributes cannot be discovered
          Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

    23. There is but one God
          Deut 6:4
        There is a plurality of gods
          Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7




Moral Precepts

    24. Robbery commanded
          Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
        Robbery forbidden
          Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15

    25. Lying approved and sanctioned
          Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
        Lying forbidden
          Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

    26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
          2 Kings 14:7,3
        Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
          Deut 23:7

    27. Killing commanded
          Ex 32:27
        Killing forbidden
          Ex 20:13

    28. The blood-shedder must die
          Gen 9:5,6
        The blood-shedder must not die
          Gen 4:15

    29. The making of images forbidden
          Ex 20:4
        The making of images commanded
          Ex 25:18,20

    30. Slavery and oppression ordained
          Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
        Slavery and oppression forbidden
          Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10

    31. Improvidence enjoyed
          Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
        Improvidence condemned
          1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22

    32. Anger approved
          Eph 4:26
        Anger disapproved
          Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20

    33. Good works to be seen of men
          Matt 5:16
        Good works not to be seen of men
          Matt 6:1

    34. Judging of others forbidden
          Matt 7:1,2
        Judging of others approved
          1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12

      35. Christ taught non-resistance
          Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
        Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
          Luke 22:36/ John 2:15

    36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
          Luke 12:4
        Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
          John 7:1

    37. Public prayer sanctioned
          1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
        Public prayer disapproved
          Matt 6:5,6

    38. Importunity in prayer commended
          Luke 18:5,7
        Importunity in prayer condemned
          Matt 6:7,8

    39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
          Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
        The wearing of long hair by men condemned
          1 Cor 11:14

    40. Circumcision instituted
          Gen 17:10
        Circumcision condemned
          Gal 5:2

    41. The Sabbath instituted
          Ex 20:8
        The Sabbath repudiated
          Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16

    42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
          Ex 20:11
        The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites   
        out of Egypt
          Deut 5:15

    43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
          Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
        Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in 
        the same
          John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5

    44. Baptism commanded
          Matt 28:19
        Baptism not commanded
          1 Cor 1:17,14

    45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
          Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
        Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
          Deut 14:7,8

      46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
          Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
        Taking of oaths forbidden
          Matt 5:34

    47. Marriage approved
          Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
        Marriage disapproved
          1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8

    48. Freedom of divorce permitted
          Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
        Divorce restricted
          Matt 5:32

    49. Adultery forbidden
          Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
        Adultery allowed
          Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3

    50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
          Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
        Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
          Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16

    51. A man may marry his brother's widow
          Deut 25:5
        A man may not marry his brother's widow
          Lev 20:21

    52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
          Luke 14:26
        Hatred to kindred condemned
          Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29

    53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
          Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
        Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
          Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32

    54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers   
        and punish evil doers only
          Rom 13:1-3,6
        It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the 
        good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
          Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
          Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35

    55. Women's rights denied
          Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
        Women's rights affirmed
          Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9

    56. Obedience to masters enjoined
          Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
        Obedience due to God only
          Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

    57. There is an unpardonable sin
          Mark 3:29
        There is not unpardonable sin
          Acts 13:39





Historical Facts

    58. Man was created after the other animals
          Gen 1:25,26,27
        Man was created before the other animals
          Gen 2:18,19

    59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
          Gen 8:22
        Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
          Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6

    60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
          Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
        Pharaoh hardened his own heart
          Ex 8:15
    61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
          Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
      All the horses of Egypt did not die
          Ex 14:9

    62. Moses feared Pharaoh
          Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
        Moses did not fear Pharaoh
          Heb 11:27

    63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
          Num 25:9
        There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
          1 Cor 10:8

    64. John the Baptist was Elias
          Matt 11:14
        John the Baptist was not Elias
          John 1:21

    65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
          Matt 1:16
        The father of Mary's husband was Heli
          Luke 3:23

    66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
          Gen 11:12
        The father of Salah was Cainan
          Luke 3:35,36

    67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
          Matt 1:17
        There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
          Matt 1:2-6

    68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
        to Christ.
          Matt 1:17
        There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian     
        captivity to Christ
          Matt 1:12-16

    69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
          Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
        The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
          Luke 2:22, 39

    70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
          Mark 1:12,13
        Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
          John 2:1,2

    71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
          Matt 5:1,2
        Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
          Luke 6:17,20

    72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
          Mark 1:14
        John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
          John 1:43/ John 3:22-24

    73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff   
        and sandals
          Mark 6:8,9
        Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
        staffs nor sandals.
          Matt 10:9,10

    74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
          Matt 15:22
        It was a Greek woman who besought Him
          Mark 7:26

    75. Two blind men besought Jesus
          Matt 20:30
        Only one blind man besought Him
          Luke 18:35,38

    76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
          Mark 15:25
        Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
          John 19:14,15

    77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
          Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
        Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
          Luke 23:39,40

    78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
          John 13:27
        Satan entered into him before the supper
          Luke 22:3,4,7

    79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
          Matt 27:5
        Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
          Acts 1:18

    80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
          Acts 1:18
        The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
          Matt 27:6,7

    81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
          John 20:1
        There were two women who came to the sepulchre
          Matt 28:1

    82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
          Mark 16:1
        There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
          Luke 24:10

    83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
          Mark 16:2
        It was some time before sunrise when they came.
          John 20:1

    84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
        they were standing up.
          Luke 24:4
        There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
          Matt 28:2,5

    85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
          John 20:11,12
        There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
          Mark 16:5

    86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
          Matt 12:40
        Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
          Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>

    87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
          Acts 1:8,5
        Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
          John 20:22

    88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the           
        resurrection to go into Galilee
          Matt 28:10
        The disciples were commanded immediately after the           
        resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
          Luke 24:49

    89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at   
        Jerusalem
          Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
        Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
          Matt 28:16,17

    90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
          Acts 1:9,12
        Christ ascended from Bethany
          Luke 24:50,51

    91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood     
        speechless
          Acts 9:7
        Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
          Acts 26:14

    92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
          Gen 12:5
        Abraham went not knowing where
          Heb 11:8

    93. Abraham had two sons
          Gal 4:22
        Abraham had but one son
          Heb 11:17

    94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
          Gen 25:1
        Keturah was Abraham's concubine
          1 Chron 1:32

    95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the 
        interposition of Providence
          Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
        Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years 
        old without any interposition of providence
          Gen 25:1,2

    96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
          Josh 24:32
        Abraham bought it of Hamor
          Acts 7:16

    97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed     
        forever
          Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
        Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
          Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13

    98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
          2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be       
          correct.  Original manuscript was incorrect>
        The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
          1 Chron 20:5

    99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
          2 Kings 8:25
        Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
          2 Kings 9:29

    100. Michal had no child
          2 Sam 6:23
          Michal had five children
          2 Sam 21:8

    101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
          2 Sam 24:1
          David was tempted by Satan to number the people
          1 Chron 21:1

    102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of   
          Judah 500,000
          2 Sam 24:9
          The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of 
          Judah 470,000
          1 Chron 21:5

    103. David sinned in numbering the people
          2 Sam 24:10
          David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
          1 Kings 15:5

    104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of     
          famine.
          2 Sam 24:13
          It was not seven years, but three years of famine
          1 Chron 21:11,12

    105. David took seven hundred horsemen
          2 Sam 8:4
          David took seven thousand horsemen
          1 Chron 18:4

    106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
          2 Sam 24:24
          David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of 
          gold
          1 Chron 21:25

    107. David's throne was to endure forever.
          Ps 89:35-37
          David's throne was cast down
          Ps 89:44





Speculative Doctrines

      108. Christ is equal with God
          John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
          Christ is not equal with God
          John 14:28/ Matt 24:36

    109. Jesus was all-powerful
          Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
          Jesus was not all-powerful
          Mark 6:5

    110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
          Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
          The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
          Matt 5:17-19

    111. Christ's mission was peace
          Luke 2:13,14
          Christ's mission was not peace
          Matt 10:34

    112. Christ received not testimony from man
          John 5:33,34
          Christ did receive testimony from man
          John 15:27

    113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
          John 8:18,14
          Christ's witness of himself is not true.
          John 5:31

    114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
          John 15:13/ John 10:11
          Christ laid down his life for his enemies
          Rom 5:10

    115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
          John 19:7
          It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
          John 18:31

    116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
          Ex 20:5
          Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
          Ezek 18:20

    117. Man is justified by faith alone
          Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
          Man is not justified by faith alone
          James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13

    118. It is impossible to fall from grace
          John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
          It is possible to fall from grace
          Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21

    119. No man is without sin
          1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
        Christians are sinless
          1 John 3: 9,6,8

    120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
          1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
          There is to be no resurrection of the dead
          Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14

    121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
          Prov 11:31
          Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
          Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10

    122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
          Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
          Endless misery the portion of all mankind
          Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2

    123. The Earth is to be destroyed
          2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
          The Earth is never to be destroyed
          Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4

    124. No evil shall happen to the godly
          Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
          Evil does happen to the godly
          Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7

    125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
          Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
            Job 42:12
          Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
          Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17

    126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
          Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
            Prov 15:6
          Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
          Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
            Luke 6:24

    127. The Christian yoke is easy
          Matt 11:28,29,30
          The Christian yoke is not easy
          John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8

    128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
          Gal 5:22
          The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
          Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11

    129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
          Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
          Longevity denied to the wicked
          Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17

    130. Poverty a blessing
          Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
          Riches a blessing
          Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
          Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
          Prov 30:8,9

    131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
          Prov 3:13,17
          Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
          Eccl 1:17,18

    132. A good name is a blessing
          Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
          A good name is a curse
          Luke 6:26

    133. Laughter commended
          Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
          Laughter condemned
          Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4

    134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
          Prov 22:15
          There is no remedy for foolishness
          Prov 27:22

    135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
          Prov 26:5
      A fool should not be answered according to his folly
          Prov 26:4

    136. Temptation to be desired
          James 1:2
          Temptation not to be desired
          Matt 6:13

    137. Prophecy is sure
          2 Pet 1:19
          Prophecy is not sure
          Jer 18:7-10

    138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
          Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
          Man's life is but seventy years
          Ps 90:10

    139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
          Gen 9:2
          The fear of man is not upon the lion
          Prov 30:30

    140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
          Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
          Miracles not a proof of divine mission
          Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19

    141. Moses was a very meek man
            Num 12:3
          Moses was a very cruel man
          Num 31:15,17

    142. Elijah went up to heaven
          2 Kings 2:11
          None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
          John 3:13

    143. All scripture is inspired
          2 Tim 3:16
          Some scripture is not inspired
          1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17

 
    145. Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
    peace, but a sword.
    - Matthew 10:34

    ... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
    - Matthew 26:52


    146. For wrath killeth the foolish man...
    - Job 5:2

    ... let not the sun go down on your wrath.
    - Ephesians 4:26


    147. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which
    is in heaven.
    - John 3:13

    ... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
    - 2 Kings 2:11


    148. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
    - John 5:31

    I am one that bear witness of myself...
    - John 8:18
    [Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]
   

    149. A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children...
    - Proverbs 13:22

    Sell that ye have and give alms...
    - Luke 12:33
   

    150. Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches
    shall be in his house...
    - Psalms 112:1-3

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than
    for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
    - Matthew 19:24
   

    151. I and my father are one.
    - John 10:30

    152. ... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
    - John 14:28
    [Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]
 

    153. Thou shalt not kill
    - Exodus 20:13

    Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his
    side... and slay every man his brother...
    - Exodus 32:27
 

    154. Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
    - Exodus 20:8

    The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
    away with: it is iniquity.
    - Isaiah 3:22
 

    155. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
    of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water.
    - Leviticus 26:11

    And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
    thou make them.
    - Exodus 25:18
   

    156. For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works.
    - Ephesians 2:8-9

    Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
    faith only.
    - James 2:24


    157. God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man,
    that he should repent.
    - Numbers 23:19

    And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
    people.
    - Exodus 32:14
 

    158 ... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall
    hear his voice, and come forth...
    - John 5:28-29

    As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth
    down to the grave shall come up no more.
    - Job 7:9
   

    159. ... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth,
    hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for
    wound, stripe for stripe.
    - Exodus 21:23-25

    ... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right
    cheek, turn to him the other also.
    - Matthew 5:39
 

    160. Honor thy father and mother.
    - Exodus 20:12

    If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and
    wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
    life also, he cannot be my disciple.
    - Luke 14:26
 

    161. Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth...
    - Matthew 6:19

    In the house of the righteous is much treasure...
    - Proverbs 15:6
 

    162. I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
    - Genesis 32:30

    No man hath seen God at any time.
    - John 1:18
 

    163. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
    - Ezekiel 18:20

    ... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
    the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
    generation.
    - Exodus 20:5
   

    164. Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth
    understanding.
    - Proverbs 3:13

    For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
    knowledge increaseth sorrow.
    - Ecclesiastes 1:18
 

    165. The Lord is good to all.
    - Psalm 145:6

    I make peace and create evil.  I the Lord do all these things.
    - Isaiah 45:7
   

    166. Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
    - Matthew 5:22

    [Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.
    - Matthew 23:17
 

    167. For all have sinned.
    - Romans 3:23

    There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect
    and upright.
    - Job 1:1
 

    168. Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
    - 2 Kings 8:26

    Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
    - 2 Chronicles 22:2
 

    169. If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do
    according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
    - Numbers 30:2

    But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by
    earth.
    - Matthew 5:34-35


    170. ... the earth abideth forever.
    - Ecclesiastes 1:4

    ... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and
    the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    - 2 Peter 3:10
 

    171. ... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger
    forever.
    - Jeremiah 3:12

    Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.
    - Jeremiah 17:4
   

    172. ... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
    - James 1:13

    And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
    Abraham.
    - Genesis 22:1
   

    173. And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good.
    - Genesis 1:31

    And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it
    grieved him at his heart
    - Genesis 6:6
   

    174. For now have I chosen and sanctified this house that my name be
    there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there
    perpetually.
    - II Chronicles 7:16

    Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
    - Acts 7:48
   

    175. [God dwells] in the light which no man can approach unto.
    - I Timothy 6:16

    The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

    - I Kings 8:12
   

    176. And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
    And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid.
    - Genesis 3:9,10

    Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape.
    - John 5:37
   

    177. Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the
    elders of Israel.  And they saw the God of Israel... They saw
    God, and did eat and drink.
    - Exodus 24: 9-11

    Whom no man hath seen nor can see.
    - I Timothy 6:16
   

    178. With God all things are possible.
    - Matthew 29:26

    And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of
    the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the
    valley, because they had chariots of iron.
    - Judges 1:19


    179. God is not the author of confusion.
    - I Corinthians 24:33

    Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good?
    - Lamentations 3:38
 

    180. Those that seek me early shall find me.
    - Proverbs 8:17

    Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall
    seek me early, but shall not find me.
    - Proverbs 1:28
 

    181. On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of
    atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall
    afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the
    Lord.
    - Leviticus 23:27

    For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day
    that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt
    offering or sacrifices.
    - Jeremiah 7:22
 

    182. And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt
    sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the
    Lord.
    - Leviticus 1:9

    Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet
    unto me.
    - Jeremiah 7:20


    183. God is not a man, that he should lie
    - Numbers 23:19

    And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the
    Lord have deceived that prophet.
    - Ezekiel 24:9
 

    184. There is none other God but one.
    - I Corinthians 8:4

    And God said, Let us make man in our image.
    - Genesis 1:26


    185. When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow
    of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels
    of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them
    on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the
    Egyptians.
    - Exodus 3:21,22

    Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him.
    - Leviticus 19:13
   

    186. At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of
    man.  Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
    - Genesis 4:5,6

    And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should
    kill him.
    - Genesis 4:15
 

    187. Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not,
    neither do they spin... if God so clothe the grass of the
    field... shall he not much more clothe you?  Therefore, take no
    thought, saying what shall we eat?  or what shall we drink?  or
    wherewithal shall we be clothed?... Take, therefore, no thought
    for the morrow.
    - Matthew 6:28, 30-34

    But if any provideth not for his own, especially for those of his
    own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an
    infidel.
    - I Timothy 5:8
 

    188. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
    works.
    - Matthew 5:16

    Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of
    them.
    - Matthew 6:1


    189. And Solomon stood before the alter of the Lord, in the presence
    of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands
    toward heaven...
    - I Kings 7:22

    When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for
    they love to pray standing in the synagogues, and in the corners
    of the streets, that they may be seen of men...
    - Matthew 6:5


    190. And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a
    Nazarite unto God from the womb.
    - Judges 8:5

    Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long
    hair, it is a shame unto him?
    - I Corinthians 6:14
 

    191. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
    - Exodus 20:8

    One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every
    day alike.  Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
    - Romans 14:5


    192. For in the six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and
    all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the
    Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
    - Exodus 20:11

    And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and
    that the Lord thy God brought the out thence through a mighty
    hand and by a stretched-out arm; therefore the Lord thy God
    commanded the to keep the Sabbath day.
    - Deuteronomy 5:15


    193. There is nothing unclean of itself.
    - Romans 14:14

    Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat, of them that chew the cud or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel and the hare, and the coney; for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, therefore they are unclean unto you.  And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
    - Deuteronomy 14:7,8
 

    194. Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother.
    - Deuteronomy 27:22

    And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
    - Genesis 20:11,12
 

    195. If brethren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife.
    - Deuteronomy 25:5

    If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing... they shall be childless.
    - Leviticus 20:21
 

    196. He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.
    - Mark 3:29

    And by him that believe are justified from all things.
    - Acts 13:39
 

    197. [John the Baptist] is Elias which was for to come.
    - Matthew 11:14

    And they asked him, what then? Art thou [John the Baptist] Elias?  And he saith, I am not.
    - John 1:21
 

    198. Now, after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.
    - Mark 1:14

    After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea... and John was also baptizing Enon... for John was not yet cast into prison.
    - John 3:22-24


    199. And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him.
    - Mark 25:3-4

    And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I crucify your king?
    - John 19:14-15
   

    200. They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall.
    - Matthew 27:34

    And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh.
    - Mark 15:23
    [Jesus was the thirsty chap in both verses.]
   

    201. And the men which journeyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
    - Acts 9:7

    And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
    - Acts 22:9
 

    202. Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman.
    - Galatians 4:22

        By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son.
    - Hebrews 11:17
 

    203. Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
    - II Samuel 6:23

    The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
    - II Samuel 21:8
   

    204. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel.
    - II Samuel 24:1

    And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
    - I Chronicles 21:1


    205. All power is given unto [Jesus] in heaven and in earth.
    - Matthew 28:18

    And [Jesus] could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands on a few sick folk and healed them.
    - Mark 6:5


    206. There shall no evil happen to the just.
    - Proverbs 12:21

    Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
    - Hebrews 12:6


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    #19175036 - 11/22/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for this, I'm gonna print out and hand it out to the jahovahs when they come knocking.


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    #19175097 - 11/22/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You are most welcome

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    #19175115 - 11/22/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I can explain. It is because the bible is not gods word but man's word. Different men's word to be specific


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    #19175136 - 11/22/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why! That is what i thought Stormrider!

But I'd like to hear a christians genuine view. I'm taking this to church on sunday. I'm dead serious.


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"So you believe in intensions?"
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"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


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    #19175196 - 11/22/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stromrider said:
I can explain. It is because the bible is not gods word but man's word. Different men's word to be specific



I was told by a baptist pastor that knew his shit quite well, that the original men that wrote the bible, whoever they were, were endowed or possessed or some shit by the Holy Spirit which guided them to write the bible, and that the Holy Spirit is about as close as mortal man can ever get to communicating with god, even though god does that in the bible several times.

I learned quite a bit about Christianity in the chapel at the county jail here. The pastor was a good man that had the right idea about Christianity and he tried real hard to convert the boys in jail. He almost had me converted until I started analyzing the bible and the message.

Which is you are a sheep, Jesus is your Shepard, Obey. If You are oppressed, forgive your oppressor, and all that turn the other cheek shit. God is infallible and you are going to heaven if you are a good sheep, Don't question it or you will surely burn the in the lake of fire. Now go and spread the good news, you are a filthy guilty sinner, and the only way to heaven is to accept Jesus and his word in it's entirety, and you will be rewarded in the afterlife for converting the nonbelievers.


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    #19175236 - 11/22/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't let sheep lull you into becoming a sheep Deemstar. Some people in christianity may be nice and whatever unusual and refreshing ideas they have about christianity- it doesn't change the fact that the religion in of itself- is rotten, coercive and mentally scarring to the populace.

I, as a child, have been psychologically indoctrinated and a whole array of psychological and existential torment followed when i thought I lived in a universe were there was an all seeing, all knowing entity, whose actions are cruel, coercive and degrading towards us. Who told me i was guilty for being born and that my dad would suffer eternally for not believing in him.

Until this day, there is some fallout from that mentality i was force-fed.

I will forgive the people that did it, but the source must go :mad2:


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    #19175359 - 11/22/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I was lucky enough not to have very religious parents, but I did grow up and still continue to live in a dominately Christian communities.

I've been through the Christian guilt trip, driving myself mad trying to make sense of it, breaking down into tears because of my gratitude for my life and begging for an obvious sign so I can be satisfied with blind faith. I thought that there was something to that lifestyle because I would see all the seemingly happy and stable Christian families going to church every Sunday. Being in god's "grace".

I never really believed in it at all until I met an intilligent Christian, the dude reminds me of a boondock saint. His faith is firm but without it he would be a very mentality unstable individual so he relies on it like a crutch to keep his anger at bay.

I believe that man needs some sort of code or belief structure to stand behind. Christianity works for this nation and their could be worse options, imagine Scientology or hardcore sharia law islam were the dominant religions, fuck that would be a nightmare.

I am a firm believer in a higher power and it's been the intention of greedy and powerful men to conceal it's true nature from the general population, why? Maybe that humans would of never allowed themselves to construct such an undesirable and flawed system if they knew the true nature of reality and being.

I believe in things like akashic records, the third eye, and ancient Chinese secrets.

I hope the right people fight back before it's too late, but that's unlikely.


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    #19175459 - 11/22/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I can explain. It is because the bible is not gods word but man's word. Different men's word to be specific



BINGO!

ding ding ding ding ding

We have a winner.

But really...  Resistance is futile debating with fundamentalist Christians.  You will be assimilated, logic or no logic.

If you show one of them this list, they'll proclaim the glory of God, his every word, hallelujah, and consider you an infidel or heathen for even questioning this.

Since fundamentalist Christians are (with some exceptions, but for the most part) deeply and profoundly anti-Semitic, they'll probably dismiss the Jewish Bible citations as "imperfect" or "obsolete."  "Perfected by Jesus Christ's coming," or some such nonsense.

The correct answer is, of course, exactly as Stromrider says.

With-it Christians get it.  There are lots of non-fundamentalist Christians who will give you that exact answer.


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    #19175508 - 11/22/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I never really believed in it at all until I met an intilligent Christian, the dude reminds me of a boondock saint. His faith is firm but without it he would be a very mentality unstable individual so he relies on it like a crutch to keep his anger at bay.




Sounds like a weak and irresponsible person to me. Concealing his mental problems with a faith that has wrecked havoc on people's lives instead of having the actual character and strength to deal with it? Heck, I had my mental instability period. Sure, I was tempted to let god in at that time, thought it might help. But I didn't. And I'm proud. The very fact that I needed him when I was weak shows what a screwed mentality we have on spirituality.

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Deemstar said: I believe that man needs some sort of code or belief structure to stand behind. I am a firm believer in a higher power and it's been the intention of greedy and powerful men to conceal it's true nature from the general population, why? Maybe that humans would of never allowed themselves to construct such an undesirable and flawed system if they knew the true nature of reality and being.




There's nothing wrong with that.
Quite possibly so, seeing as how many religions, above all, christianity, are so conveniently making people into followers of the ones with crowns and authority.

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Deemstar said: I believe in things like akashic records, the third eye, and ancient Chinese secrets.




And christians would call you a satanist for it, which wouldn't matter if they weren't so prevalent to get to you when you are young and innocent to encode you with this good vs evil bullshit. also, back a few hundred years and you would have been put to death.

Personally, I am infuriated and no amount of positive specks of the christian faith will ever change my mind about it.



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I can explain. It is because the bible is not gods word but man's word. Different men's word to be specific



BINGO!

ding ding ding ding ding

We have a winner.

But really...  Resistance is futile debating with fundamentalist Christians.  You will be assimilated, logic or no logic.

If you show one of them this list, they'll proclaim the glory of God, his every word, hallelujah, and consider you an infidel or heathen for even questioning this.

Since fundamentalist Christians are (with some exceptions, but for the most part) deeply and profoundly anti-Semitic, they'll probably dismiss the Jewish Bible citations as "imperfect" or "obsolete."  "Perfected by Jesus Christ's coming," or some such nonsense.

The correct answer is, of course, exactly as Stromrider says.

With-it Christians get it.  There are lots of non-fundamentalist Christians who will give you that exact answer.




Jesus said the Old Law was to remain in force until heaven and earth passed away and all is accomplished

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven”-Matthew 5:18-19 RSV. 

Don’t let them get away with this shit for even the bible says that they should still be following the Old Law.


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    #19175587 - 11/22/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Don’t let them get away with this shit for even the bible says that they should still be following the Old Law.



Yes, but I would like to respectfully request that we dispense with the "no shellfish" thingy in the Jewish Testament.

I live in an area near the Chesapeake Bay where the seafood is so fresh and the hard crabs are so yummy.

Love me my hard crabs.

Mmm...  Hard crabs and beer.

Just sayin'... :shrug:


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    #19175659 - 11/22/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Man I love reading what you guys have to say on religious subjects. I'm very thankful for the S&M forum. Perhaps I'll start worshipping it :lol:

But seriously all you guys on here (whether I agree or not) have really offered a lot of insight to this heathen


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    #19175675 - 11/22/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why! That is what i thought Stormrider!

But I'd like to hear a christians genuine view. I'm taking this to church on sunday. I'm dead serious.





Dude you really taking this to church :facepalm:
They're going to stone you and burn you at the stake! :rofl:


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    #19175692 - 11/22/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I never really believed in it at all until I met an intilligent Christian, the dude reminds me of a boondock saint. His faith is firm but without it he would be a very mentality unstable individual so he relies on it like a crutch to keep his anger at bay.




Sounds like a weak and irresponsible person to me. Concealing his mental problems with a faith that has wrecked havoc on people's lives instead of having the actual character and strength to deal with it? Heck, I had my mental instability period. Sure, I was tempted to let god in at that time, thought it might help. But I didn't. And I'm proud. The very fact that I needed him when I was weak shows what a screwed mentality we have on spirituality.




Weak is not a word I would use to describe this man, mentally or physically he is just plagued with mental disorders everything from bad schizophrenia, OCD, Bipolar and probably a bit of PTSD. You wouldn't be able to tell though unless you get to know the guy, he understands he is mentally unstable and does a great job keeping his mind in check, and has taught me a lot how to go about life and deal with people and paranoia. Most people with the list of disorders he has would be running for the doctors for medication, his only medication is marijuana and he smokes that shit religiously.

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Don’t let them get away with this shit for even the bible says that they should still be following the Old Law.



Yes, but I would like to respectfully request that we dispense with the "no shellfish" thingy in the Jewish Testament.

I live in an area near the Chesapeake Bay where the seafood is so fresh and the hard crabs are so yummy.

Love me my hard crabs.

Mmm...  Hard crabs and beer.

Just sayin'... :shrug:




Don't we all, but even looking at alcohol and those scrumptious crustaceans is a sin according to the old testament, and makes Jesus shed tears for your eternal soul.

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I think that the reason you can't argue with a hardcore fundamentalist is because of a simple defense mechanism in the human brain, imagine dedicating your whole life to something only to discover it's a sham, your mind would rather rationalize the lie than accept the truth.


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Re: 206 Christian Contradictions Compiled [Linked between PSP and SM] [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19175758 - 11/22/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's unlikely any "christians" will respond to this thread. Where is Deviate or Fivepointer when you want them? :lol:


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    #19182325 - 11/24/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's the error of man - as is everything.

It becomes increasingly apparent that a sizable demographic who carry God are those who carry the onus to dissaprove him ALA The Story of The Two Monks:

http://www.fisheaters.com/twomonks.html




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    #19182424 - 11/24/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I understand and I agree.

I would just like to know how christians would defend this, genuinely?


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    #19198452 - 11/27/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lol I would put my 2 cents in here. For one, I was born a PK (pastors kid) and actually am leaving to California tomorrow to go scam scholarship money out of the assembly. Mostly for the backturning they have done to us. My dad was a pastor for 30 years and died of cancer, my brother died 3 days before, and a well respected person in the church posted on Facebook about how my brother committed suicide and such. I have a hate almost for the church. But I find "God", whatever he/it mag be, is with me. Many smart ass prayers seem to become true such as a prayer for a ps3 with very specific details... I fucking won it at my after prom a year and a half later, specifics fucking included.

Anyways, I see this list here, and to be honest, I've never personally read much of the bible. As shocking as that may be, a kid who spent every Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday night in church or prayer or anything else, who holds hands in public to not cause pain to my mother as the prodical son, doesn't know much more than half of Genesis.

What I do know, however, is that my understanding of the difference in a few of those paradoxes is the new and old covenant, as well as what's already stated; a bunch of bros wrote that bible. Including Abraham who wrote of Noah and Adam and Eve.

We bring up specifics, I might be able to have an adult conversation with you. As it stands, the longer I sit in church the more I feel contempt myself and see the others sort of conforming to a belief not of their own.


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    #19198691 - 11/27/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's unlikely any "christians" will respond to this thread. Where is Deviate or Fivepointer when you want them? :lol:




I'm right here but what do you want me to say? What makes you think this thread is even deserving of a response? I see nothing new, original or insightful here. This kind of list is generated by people who read the scriptures with no understanding, they have no ability to read between the lines and take everything at face value. The authors of such lists are more guilty of Biblical literalism than fundamentalists.

I will give one example of one of these supposed "contradictions" THis list says:

"    6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
        Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
        God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all   
        things
        Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8


so let's look at what Geneses 11:5 actually says: 5 The Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.

Notice that it does not say " God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things". So this is not a genuine contradiction, it is merely inferred to be a contradiction based on the idea that if God is everywhere present he cannot "come down".

But more often than not, these different descriptions of God reflect different levels of human understanding and not errors or inconsistencies on the part of Biblical authors.

If you begin reading the Bible with Geneses and you read through the Torah, you will get a certain picture of God. Then that view evolves and is elaborated on in the historical books and then is further advanced in the wisdom books and the prophetic books. Then in the new testament, we find a revolution in man's understanding of God which is initiated by Jesus Christ, the Word incarnate. St. Paul discusses this throughout his letters to the Romans, Corinthians etc explaining how when our actions are inspired by the Holy Spirit, we are not bound by the Jewish law, but we are truly free.

So the biggest reason that the Bible contradicts itself so often, is because it presents not a static picture but an evolving understanding of God and mankind's relationship to Him. Different attributes of God are also explained in different ways, from different points of view, in order that we should be given a broader perspective instead of having a very narrow picture of God. The Bible also contains a variety of different types of literature which were never intended to be cross referenced as if they were part of the same document. For example when you read the newspaper, it has different sections, there is the headlines, the editorials, the sports page, the comics, etc. You would have to be a moron to interpret the comics with the same mindset as the headlines, and yet that is exactly what you are doing with these lists of Biblical contradictions. The Bible must be read and understood as a whole.

All this should be quite obvious. I mean how do you people not know these things? People are so uneducated when it comes to religion and then think that they are qualified to interpret it and declare it false. It is total arrogance and ignorance on their part. They do not understand Christianity. They do not understand spirituality. They do not understand paradox.

The spiritual path necessarily involves paradox, therefore you will never find any detailed spiritual teaching that does not contradict itself in some way. If you are incapable of understanding CHristianity, then I suggest studying Buddhism or Hinduism, which present the same spiritual truths as Christianity in a different way. If you cannot understand these religions either, I cannot help you because this is not something that can be worked out at the level of words and concepts. There is no philosophy which cannot be challenged and refuted. In order to understand these truths, you must develop the ability to go beyond concepts. THe concepts we find in religion are merely signposts, pointing us the way to go beyond them. If you focus on the concepts themselves instead of going beyond them, you will encounter numerous contradictions and absurdities in every religion. We must not be afraid to confront paradox and go beyond it. This is true regardless of whether you are Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, etc. We must always search for the higher truth, that goes beyond words on a page but is a LIVING truth, for God is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). The Holy Spirit is the interpreter of scripture and if you do not possess a degree of the Holy Spirit, you cannot interpret scripture. St. Paul tells us that spiritual things are but nonsense to the non spiritual man. Read The Power of Now by Eckhart tolle if you want to understand some of the ways in which the ego blinds you to spiritual truth.

The unfortunate thing here is that there is a path that leads back to the peace, freedom and understanding mankind was originally endowed with, or which is our own real nature. However, in the words of the Grateful Dead, it's "no simple highway". Throughout the centuries, God has attempted to communicate this path to mankind and he has given us various religions which provide us with more than adequate knowledge and tools to traverse this path. And yet the majority of mankind continues to reject this gift, this gift of unlimited life that God wants to give us and many reject it because they don't like the box it comes in. Christianity is just a box, it's what it is in the box that is valuable, you guys are all focused on the damn box.


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    #19198871 - 11/28/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't let sheep lull you into becoming a sheep Deemstar. Some people in christianity may be nice and whatever unusual and refreshing ideas they have about christianity- it doesn't change the fact that the religion in of itself- is rotten, coercive and mentally scarring to the populace.

I, as a child, have been psychologically indoctrinated and a whole array of psychological and existential torment followed when i thought I lived in a universe were there was an all seeing, all knowing entity, whose actions are cruel, coercive and degrading towards us. Who told me i was guilty for being born and that my dad would suffer eternally for not believing in him.

Until this day, there is some fallout from that mentality i was force-fed.

I will forgive the people that did it, but the source must go :mad2:





I have to say, I read a post of yours in another thread where you praised Buddhist and Taoist ideas. I guess I was wrong to assume you were atheist or agnostic in posting this, but knowing that you subscribe to eastern ideas would certainly have changed my response to you. You are aware that Eastern religion can scar people as well, are you not? Do do you not know about the abuses of Buddhism and Hinduism that have gone on in India and Asian countries? Do you not know about the corrupt gurus who have taken advantage of many, especially westerners in the last half century? Do you not know about the sincere students who may have even had genuine teachers but ended up driving themselves insane seeking enlightenment and not finding it?

  Christianity is not "rotten", it's not good or bad, those are your labels. You should know from Buddhism that one must let go of their preconcieved notions about things, about this and that, good and bad. Christianity just is. It is one spiritual teaching that when it comes down to it, is actually pretty decent in my opinion when you consider how old it is, the original audience it was intended for and when consider some of the alternatives as has been pointed out. I mean , would you rather live in a Christian society or a society run by Scientologists? But anyway, Christianity is just as deep and beautiful a spiritual tradition as the eastern traditions in my opinion. If you find that it scarred you, it's only because you did not seek a deep enough understanding. You did not delve deeply enough into the meaning of the scriptures, because right practice of Christian principles leads to joy, peace and freedom of the spirit.


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