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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Rahz]
#19169818 - 11/21/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rahz said: I don't know nothin'. 
So why are you posting?
Just being friendly.
Jah baby,
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
#19170777 - 11/21/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Seems to me that a majority of discussions here center around things for which no sure conclusions can be drawn due to lack of physical evidence. Yet the opinions can get fierce and battle lines drawn and no one willing to conceed that it answers are unknowns.
Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?
No, probably not. We want to know. We want control. But mostly, we want. Maybe when we stop wanting our control and our flimsy certainties --and maybe if we stop all this wanting in general, but come now does that really sound like us? Minds sharpen minds as much as steel sharpens steel, and there will always be nubile minds that need sharpening and find novelty in their conclusions, and thus the battle rages on. If the ego dissolved somehow --maybe, like if we lobotomized everyone on the planet... maybe.
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Tropism]
#19170930 - 11/21/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about the dog people?
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Tropism]
#19171727 - 11/21/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I enjoy ideas being challenged and debated. I dont think any of us will know the ultimate truth about many things, but it is cool to discuss with other heads and see things from different points of view.
Im with rahz..i know nothin just here learning
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Chronic7]
#19171762 - 11/21/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Seems to me that a majority of discussions here center around things for which no sure conclusions can be drawn due to lack of physical evidence. Yet the opinions can get fierce and battle lines drawn and no one willing to conceed that it answers are unknowns.
Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?
Maybe when we experience that abiding in the unknown is extremely blissfull, peaceful & full of a kind of non-dual knowingness, we won't want to play mental games anymore
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: circastes]
#19171778 - 11/21/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think I realised in the shower today that I know nothing and I felt a lot better. When did I start thinking I know something? Strange day it must have been. Probably all the OBEs + mirror fun.
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Universaleyeni said: I enjoy ideas being challenged and debated. I dont think any of us will know the ultimate truth about many things, but it is cool to discuss with other heads and see things from different points of view.
Im with rahz..i know nothin just here learning
I suspect many things.
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: circastes]
#19172369 - 11/21/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: I think I realised in the shower today that I know nothing and I felt a lot better. When did I start thinking I know something? Strange day it must have been. Probably all the OBEs + mirror fun.
Now you're getting somewhere imo.
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
#19172581 - 11/21/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Seems to me that a majority of discussions here center around things for which no sure conclusions can be drawn due to lack of physical evidence. Yet the opinions can get fierce and battle lines drawn and no one willing to conceed that it answers are unknowns.
Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?
As an individual or society?
Society no, the individual sure
I think its inevitable for arguments concerning the meaning of life to revolve around unknowns, specifically because there's no way for us to answer the biggest questions "yet". His noodliness works in mysterious ways
*edited: coherency
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Rahz]
#19173493 - 11/22/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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"The struggle between "for" and "against" is the mind's worst disease."-Bruce Lee Quote:
Rahz said:
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Rahz said: I don't know nothin'. 
So why are you posting?
Just being friendly.
One may have nothing to contribute. Too much of the good is the bad. Rational ordering is stressful. Argue against oneself, attack onself's beliefs. Why does one stagnate with this basic act of blasphemy?
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stagnate as opposed to what?
probably the greatest ability we have is to stagnate
or rather to hold something that would slip away,
not just in our hands so we can eat it,
but in our minds so we can consider
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usulpsychonaut said: "The struggle between "for" and "against" is the mind's worst disease."-Bruce Lee Quote:
Rahz said:
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Icelander said:
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Rahz said: I don't know nothin'. 
So why are you posting?
Just being friendly.
One may have nothing to contribute. Too much of the good is the bad. Rational ordering is stressful. Argue against oneself, attack onself's beliefs. Why does one stagnate with this basic act of blasphemy?
what you are saying is wrong, so for evil rules in inventing lies for sure
too much of good cannot be the bad.. how can you say this ? this is the rational stressful order you have
we have the fact and reality
the fact, that you don't know, is what superiority is inferiority in existence standard
because in truth superiority is before everything so the way of going up to secure everything nothing, rights to stay clearly out of what is done plus so only as it is reality
so superiority is meant in truth as in form and not in fact, for what existence rights sake
so when existence is, then it is easy to realize that mean objectively, so superiority is meaning to be over reality, which is the trait of inferiors in depth that keep meaning taking advantage of everything first before being which is never
superiority is inferiority in truth objective standards, so what is never the reference in existence, till it becomes true reality, so all is positive constant source exclusively, when existence would become the reality of superiority fact, then superiority in concept as the inferior standard would be the highest one, like the sense of who or what can do better of best
but till then, superiority is inferiority in objective truth
like first, superiority is the absolute fact, as objectively the only way possible out of nothing which is already relatively existing since it is a concept of knowing always all what exist, where the know-er is relatively the present of that fact superiority
so superiority is first absolute fact as the only way while present only relatively from whatever move out of nothing through that way
then came freedom out of absolute fact as the superior absolute one
so freedom became the objective absolute fact in truth, like existence fact standard value as positive source
it is like first is truth in forms then in contents more clear
positive source is superiority, but superiority in form is not positive source, through freedom yes, what is alone moving in superior terms is definitely a positive source
then we have another value that showed up, superior to freedom so more true superiority, it is being out of giving all known objectively to truth, then who does that is right, who act realistically for what it knows is right superiority, who have no problem in meaning the truth openly giving all what it knows and let even its fact doing it away, so the value would be also to truth, while everything keep meaning others arguments to justify objective fact..
it seems the most hard thing to act in recognition of absolute superiority being else.. especially from what it knows the most that fact..i think this is the thing that reveal the real choice, wether one mean its existence for opportunities or for being real
this shows I guess why the reasons of existence are happening consciously, for what everyone is involved now and after, anyone matter in what they would be asked to act of what they know, they must know the value of existence being truth value and mean that to do wherever they are, this is the choice everyone faced..
then another value also appear being true superiority, is to admit that truth concern is for all to be positive so any mean could be done in relative sense as personally so all to itself only and who admit that act for, like standing against wrong showing that it wont accept wrong to exist even if elsewhere, this is actually the true superiority reason the most how superiority could be a possible way if not because of enjoying the lack of negative all the ways
so whatever enjoy negative and yell that it is good balance is sorry but how can I say it...wrong !
when superiority is the exclusive possible way then negative cannot exist
that is why everything are revealing being of powers will over what exist or could exist and lies..like hiding what they know being and where they are
while having no conscious problem to force negative on us, as good thing !
finally, objective existence should end as reality of superiority absolutely in truth, which means that any is its full individual realizations beings, like knowing what is to you and what is to others or all, from starting by the end of acting relatively right
Edited by absols (11/22/13 06:50 AM)
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: absols]
#19173904 - 11/22/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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finally, objective existence should end as reality of superiority absolutely in truth, which means that any is its full individual realizations beings, like knowing what is to you and what is to others or all, from starting by the end of acting relatively right
I noticed that you actually edited this, and that in itself has me totally mystified.
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: absols]
#19174715 - 11/22/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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many things are tools(not scripture) to help us find our inherent nature(which began to be obscured the moment you exit the womb)
inherently the world is uncreated-empty of conceptualization. The creation of the conceptual world we know and understand was born out of necessity/ignorance/other. We began constructing how we perceive(self) today in a chain of cause and effects predating our births. This unconsciously/pre-created world/self is filled with many ups and downs, pains and pleasures and has a huge capacity for suffering and taking things very personal. Many of us become slaves to the whims of this world, allowing circumstance to dictate and stray us from contentment.
By seeing our inherent uncreated(empty/signless) nature and realizing how our perceptions came about then we can begin changing our relation to things we may find and were conditioned to view as unpleasant/concrete/separate from our internal set of experiences. We can stop fueling the fires and start building a different sort of fire(mindfulness).. one that consumes our preconditioning by simply observing/acknowledging/embracing our hindrances with detachment/patience/endurance/unbiased.
All things are temporary constructs of the ego/mind, subject to change and inherently empty. By allowing the dirt in the glass of water to settle we can see clearly our base nature. If we stop trying to conceptualize our minds moment by moment, our mental chatter fades away and were left with clear one-pointedness that receives all things equally(without straying from that state of equanimity) Life becomes peaceful, we can handle each circumstance by circumstance with wisdom and evenness, just as each moment conditioned our subjective selves, each moment will condition us in a different direction(nirvana). It all happens right now and without attachment to previously created/conditioned ideas/thoughts/conceptions
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"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
#19174756 - 11/22/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?
I doubt it. People here routinely ignore hard scientific evidence in favor of made up mystical new age crap. Evolution for example is refuted by people who make arguments that show they don't even understand it on a textbook level let alone well enough to debate it and insist they are right.
Arguments so ignorant as "evolution is organisms appearing from nothing by random chance like a tornado in a junkyard randomly assembling a 747 airliner", or "evolution is false because cats are never observed giving birth to dogs". And so on. The list is endless.
As long as there is death anxiety, people will make up warm sugar coated magical explanations of a world with a big daddy in the sky who will save them a seat on the bus to heaven.
And this is for topics on which there is almost zero scientific doubt. It's even worse for things we don't yet know with high confidence.
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Diploid]
#19175630 - 11/22/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And this is for topics on which there is almost zero scientific doubt. It's even worse for things we don't yet know with high confidence.
Fucking aye
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Not sure what death anxiety has to do with people bullshitting themselves.
More likely too lazy to study and learn.
The simpler truism (I.e. without the death anxiety shimmed into it ) rings truer.
Many stupid things happen more because we are not dead yet rather than because we fear death.
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