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New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal
#19175356 - 11/22/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Blah blah bullshit bullshit blah blah
MIAMI (CBSMiami) — A drug known as kratom produces a high like cocaine, can be as addictive as heroin, and–believe it or not–is completely legal.
It’s an herbal remedy found in Kava bars and head shops in South Florida and throughout the country, but now authorities say kratom, which comes from a tree in southeast Asia, may not be completely safe.
“This will get you where you need to be and make you feel good,” said one proponent. “It can give you a happy, euphoric feeling,” said another. “I feel like I have a little buzz,” said a third.
“It’s a branch of the coffee family and years and years ago, the villagers would manipulate the leaves and it gave off an effect that relaxed people,” said clinical care coordinator John Corbett, a drug and alcohol counselor.
Kratom, sought after for its euphoric and more intense effects, is considered by some as one of the most dangerous drugs currently for sale in the United States.
“Doctors are Googling, they’re actually Googling what is this, where is this coming from,” said Corbett. “People are ending up in emergency rooms, hospitals, rehab.”
Kratom is ground into powder, stuffed in capsules and even sold in liquid form. It is so highly addictive Corbett likens it to opium and heroin.
“It was a warm, euphoric feeling, “ said 23-year-old former kratom user Carrie, “I didn’t feel irritable, I wasn’t concerned with day to day anxieties.”
But soon, Carrie said, her casual kratom use turned to full-blown addiction. She was taking kratom three times a day, spending $1,000 a month on it.
“I was scrounging for change, for food ,” Carrie said, “ Some days I would go without eating because I would rather have money for the drug.”
A recovering prescription drug addict, Carrie said she went through rehab a second time, for kratom, with the process proving to be equally grueling.
According to Peter Gannon, a psychiatric nurse practitioner who helped treat Carrie, detoxing from kratom is in fact similar to kicking heroin.
“You’ll go through an opiate type of withdrawal, where you’ll have nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, chills, and sweats,” Gannon said, “You’ll just feel like you want to die.”
Kratom is popping up for sale everywhere, from smoke shops and convenient stores to the Internet.
So why is it legal in the U.S. when Australia, Malaysia, and Thailand have all banned its use? The Drug Enforcement Agency recently placed kratom on its list of “Drugs and Chemicals of Concern,” a watch list of substances that government chemists are studying.
Since kratom is still legal, that means growers like Wesley Todd are free to sell kratom without repercussions.
Todd said he started producing and selling the herb after a debilitating motorcycle accident. Severe pain led Todd to doctor after doctor, and he was soon addicted to prescription medication. Taking Kratom, Todd said, allowed him to break that habit, and resume a normal life, adding that the herb is safe to use, and not addictive.
“No one has ever overdosed on it, “ Todd said, “There is just no way, it’s not possible. The claims they are making are not possible.”
Still, those who offer treatment for Kratom addiction say it can be dangerous, and they advise people who want to try it to think twice before they do.
A state lawmaker in Massachusetts has filed a bill to outlaw kratom.
“You could get into an automobile high on kratom, drive down the road and crash and kill someone,” said Vinny deMacedo.
Although there have been no reported fatalities from kratom, the known risks and dangers of overdoses include delusions, tremors, coordination problems, and hallucinations.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Bikerfool] 5
#19175375 - 11/22/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bikerfool said: “You could get into an automobile high on kratom, drive down the road and crash and kill someone,” said Vinny deMacedo.
You could get into an automobile high on alcohol, drive down the road and crash and kill someone. Except, you know, that actually happens.
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“Doctors are Googling, they’re actually Googling what is this, where is this coming from,” said Corbett. “People are ending up in emergency rooms, hospitals, rehab.”
Oh no, not THE GOOGLE!
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Blah blah bullshit bullshit blah blah
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Synthe]
#19175387 - 11/22/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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such a bullshit read loved it!
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Synthe]
#19175405 - 11/22/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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at least the people commenting are in the real world
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: D.M.T]
#19175491 - 11/22/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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god, I cant believe we have to watch this happen time and time again, its amazing what the press get away with writing, they can practically say whatever the fuck they want about it and that's what forms peoples opinions, because you cant really go back and correct it, the damage is already done, I am so glad I have kratom in my life, and will be glad until the day I cant get it anymore, I am also a recovering addict, I take it 4 times a day, and have been for years, and yes, sometimes I run out, but it is absolutely not like how they keep claiming it is, its not that bad at all. On top of that, I use the exact same dose I have always used, and don't use extracts, and years later it is still effective, people who think they need to take obscene amounts because of some "tolerance" to it haven't heard about the less is more theory, I am living proof that its the truth, 4 times a day, every day, minimal tolerance, its all in how you use it. people are fucking stupid, and ruining it for everyone else.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: solo11]
#19175557 - 11/22/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I posted a comment disputing the addiction aspect with science and it never appeared...
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: solo11]
#19175566 - 11/22/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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[these] people are fucking stupid, and ruining it for everyone else.
yup.
I read the title of the thread and then the first 5 words of the article and instantly
didn't read it. I'm in a pretty good mood and don’t want to be upset right now.
personally, kratom makes me feel sorta barfy and sweaty... i dont really see the attraction.
Factually, the most dangerous drug legally sold in the united states is acetaminophen-- the active ingredient in tylenol. People take lots of it and have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER that it is destroying their internal organs. "About 150 Americans die a year by accidentally taking too much acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol, federal data from the CDC shows. " and "in larger amounts, especially in combination with alcohol, the drug can damage or even destroy the liver."
Maybe later I'll write an article about the dangers of parsley or ginger root.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: D.M.T]
#19175611 - 11/22/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea, u gotta take way less than what people recommend, in fact almost always people are talking about amounts that are too much, and actually less effective, and will of course make u feel shitty, in fact on numerous occasions I've had higher doses put me into withdrawal strangely, because of the complex makeup of alkaloids, agonists/antagonists, antagonists seem to take over at higher doses, rendering the agonists less/non effective, like built in suboxone one sort of.
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D.M.T said: I posted a comment disputing the addiction aspect with science and it never appeared...
Would be cool to see what it was!
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: solo11]
#19175616 - 11/22/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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solo11 said: Yea, u gotta take way less than what people recommend, in fact almost always people are talking about amounts that are too much, and actually less effective, and will of course make u feel shitty, in fact on numerous occasions I've had higher doses put me into withdrawal strangely, because of the complex makeup of alkaloids, agonists/antagonists, antagonists seem to take over at higher doses, rendering the agonists less/non effective, like built in suboxone one sort of.
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D.M.T said: I posted a comment disputing the addiction aspect with science and it never appeared...
Would be cool to see what it was!
totally man! agree 100% I've found smaller doses to be waaaaaay better--- more stimulating and happy, less body load.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: travelleler]
#19176504 - 11/22/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have never taken Kratom. What would you experienced guys a compare it to?
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Boomers420]
#19176715 - 11/22/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Boomers420 said: I have never taken Kratom. What would you experienced guys a compare it to?
cocaine and heroin
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: mushroom_sandwich]
#19176728 - 11/22/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They call it "souping." Teenagers drinking cans of expired soup, to get high!
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Magick]
#19176758 - 11/22/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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is asking for a reliable vendor of the K against the rules here?
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: DebuteMachine]
#19176825 - 11/22/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We have sponsors that sell it. I've taken itg many times from my local headshop. From one gram to almost an ounce, with no noticable affects. I know the quality from headshops is nothing compaired to a good vendor, but god damn, its not even as stong as dones or anything from what I've heard.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: huffinglue]
#19177031 - 11/22/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Bikerfool]
#19177347 - 11/23/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This article makes me sad. Seems like something that Fox News might put out there.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Bikerfool]
#19177480 - 11/23/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can see where all this anti-Kratom propaganda is heading and it just makes me want to bang my head on a wall.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#19177581 - 11/23/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kratom sounds kool, totally kan't wait to get hopped up then krash a kar into a daykare skool koz I won't give no shits but probs find that the kids that I kill enhance my kool kratom high.
So how much weight out of a 30x extract would resemble a med-strong dose? For price-evaluating purposes, I need a reference.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: something cool]
#19177927 - 11/23/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A recovering prescription drug addict, Carrie said she went through rehab a second time, for kratom, with the process proving to be equally grueling.
No shit she had a kratom "addiction". Kratom makes you feel less strung out and sick. Likely never got over her initial addiction, considering she went right into kratom.
It'd be crazy to think that maybe kratom can be studied to help break peoples' addictions or be used as an analgesic.
If this drug moves from grey area to illegal then I don't know what to tell any of you anymore.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Adden]
#19178360 - 11/23/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holy shit I saw something like this on the news the other day saying it's addictive and as powerful as heroin WTF. No it's not, maybe as powerful as codeine or tramadol but I actually think those got kratom beat. Kratom is a safe way to treat withdraws or to get a lil opioid buzz in non tolerant people. The methadone they give out to addicts legally is like 1000x more dangerous than kratom. No non tolerant user is going to drink 10oz of kratom tea and OD even if they were trying to commit suicide that shit tastes NASTY lol.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: Bikerfool]
#19178368 - 11/23/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But soon, Carrie said, her casual kratom use turned to full-blown addiction. She was taking kratom three times a day, spending $1,000 a month on it.
It just blows my mind that someone could use $1000 of kratom in a month. A $100 bag will keep me happy for 6 months.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: PurpleHaze147]
#19179662 - 11/23/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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PurpleHaze147 said: Holy shit I saw something like this on the news the other day saying it's addictive and as powerful as heroin WTF. No it's not, maybe as powerful as codeine or tramadol but I actually think those got kratom beat. Kratom is a safe way to treat withdraws or to get a lil opioid buzz in non tolerant people.
Damn. I was enticed at the part of the article that claimed it gave a cocaine-like high. Opiate = opposite of stimulant, and codeine = crappy opiate that I'd rather be sober than high on, and if Krapom = beneath codeine then I'd also prefer to not touch it rather than use it. Guess the article writer is simply a moron.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal [Re: something cool]
#19179801 - 11/23/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea, its not supposed to be strong, and not the best option if you feel like getting really high, but for some people, like myself, have way fewer options due to past addictions, and is no longer the goal to get really high and chase it day after day, its more like if you could micro dose an opiate like substance without a lot of negatives, its very beneficial for helping to stay away from harmful drugs, keeps the anxiety in check, lets you look forward to something, and doesn't eventually ravage you from the inside out. its more like a super pleasant nutrient. Some say playing with fire for the recovering addicts, an opiate addict shouldn't be fucking with the opiate receptors, but shit, you try and be an opiate addict living sober, many people fucking do it, but opiates have a massive relapse rate, and even more addicts than not are put on daily opiate type therapy to fill those receptors while not getting high necessarily, and yes that in theory does help a lot of people, but the point im trying to make, is that this kind of value from a plant source is very important for a lot of people who might otherwise be on methadone, or back on opiates in general, or the dreaded suboxone, its already widely accepted that its more effective to fill those receptors in the addicts rather than completely remove substance entirely from the addicts reality right away, which leads to much better functioning and navigating in the daily life without the need nawing at you day in and day out. this is what kratom is for a lot of people, now compare kratom to the accepted therapies for these people. How could kratom possibly be worse an any way shape or form? ive been clean and sober for almost 3 years, and on past attempts to get here, I didn't have kratom, I had suboxone, that put me in hell. It shouldn't be looked at from the perspective of comparing it to its drug forms and thinking its a completely safe version, which could be argued, but should be looked at how and who it could help, and compared to present options of the people who might benefit.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legalpp [Re: solo11]
#19183393 - 11/24/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kratom actually taught me that I don't need to get high when I can spend my days being happy and at ease. While somewhat similar to mild opiates, it has some major differences in that tolerance does not build much at all provided tha someone isn't using extracts multiple times a day to get high. Not needing to constantly increase dosage means that addiction never really become that severe.
Also anyone that spends $1000 a month on kratom is a fucking idiot. That kind of money can buy more kratom than you could physcally swallow in one month if you just find a decent herbal supply place. The kind of person who does shit like this was probably going to hurt themselves with a pair of scissor of some matches eventually anyway, so it's not like kratom is anymore dangerous than hot or sharp things to normal human beings.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legalpp [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
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I find it amusing how they demonize drugs while missing the elephant in the room that ANYTHING done to excess can be as bad or worse for you than drugs. Thing like gambling, watching TV and playing video games, can be at least as bad...
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legalpp [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#19185337 - 11/25/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah stage one: the propaganda machine. It's amazing to watch the press repeat whatever the cops tell them. My theory is if reporters don't play ball they don't get a call when there is a real police story. Next the concerned parents will be screaming to have this banned (aka please take another right away from me, and faster). It's a pattern and it usually works, salvia is the only one I have seen them fail to get hysteria going with this method. You guys can mock it all you want but I give kratom a year until it is banned in the USA.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legalpp [Re: my3rdeye]
#19187857 - 11/25/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nah, I think theres a few years left, youd be surprised how much the kratom market has suffered though the last couple years, and a lot of states have actually gotten it onto bills that didn't pass, huge problems importing it, vendors being harassed by there credit card processing companies. clearly its coming, and its going to gain more and more momentum faster and faster. But it will take a bit, wont be right away. Basically the process is already under way, but I don't think it will come to a close yet. its been removed from a few bills that were linked with RC's I think due to letters from many kratom users out there writing, but I could be very wrong. it wont keep slipping though, atleast in LA its a little more out of the grey area and requires identification to get. I wonder when they are going to give up on trying to pass a law on every little psychoactive that comes around, honestly its mind blowing how many options are always available despite the laws, almost seems like its infinite, which is hard to believe, but even so, eventually youd think theyd just change the system for dealing with it in general, don't know exactly what would be put into place, but if it was my household, and I couldn't enforce these tightly made rules, and the shitty living situation was becoming a fucking mess, out of my control, id sit my housemates down and discuss a system for dealing with this shit, because living with people is hard, and requires compromise and adaptation. But we all know here in the U.S as far as the rules go, they were not meant for our peacefull cohabitation, more like to keep people in there place and create a manipulated flow of money despite anyones safety. anyway, rambling sorry, this year produced some amazing blue dream
 That's why I want to move to costa rica!! start a kratom farm there!!
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legalpp [Re: solo11]
#19191276 - 11/26/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem lawmakers will face when trying to ban kratom is a lack of negatives concerning the drug. People don't overdose and die on kratom, they don't get violent, become desperate, or usually experience negative health effects. So what's the argument going to be when this goes to bat in the legal system? There is very little evidence that kratom is bad for society. It's actually probably the opposite. And during a time of marijuana reform, hopefully minds will be open to the positive effects of the drug.
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Re: New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legalpp [Re: Bikerfool]
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All the same could be said for marijuana, of course. but even the Thai know it's a bunch of shit and are re-legalising kratom.
If history is indicative of anything then kratom is lucked out by the fact that no specific ethnic groups/minorities are reported to be the main users in the US. even as recently as 1993 that's how khat was banned. them damn yellow-toothed Yemenis!
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