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    #19175187 - 11/22/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19175202 - 11/22/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

everyones gonna tell you to  remove that fan and the humidifier......


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19175207 - 11/22/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see a SGFC.

I really hate to do this but take all the extra bullshit off and it will work way better.

Have a look at the first link in my signature. There's some SGFC help in there.

A SGFC works naturally it's passive. Don't hook up any extra humidification or fanning to it. It's only going to hurt your grow.

The SGFC gets 3-5 FAE an hour by itself. The fanning after we mist is only to lower the RH so that evaporation can start to happen again. We don't fan for FAE so you don't need a fan attachment.


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: silverstem]
    #19175209 - 11/22/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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everyones gonna tell you to  remove that fan and the humidifier......



:whathesaid:

everyone worth their salt is going to say that to you.

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Fruiting Chamber
A SGFC has 1/4" holes spaces 2 inches apart in a grid patten on all six sides. 4-6 inches of moist perlite. No attachments made to it with any extra things like humidifiers. Optimally the SGFC should be in the middle of a room. No fans should be run in the room with the SGFC, but a cracked window is OK. A humidifier in your house can help to raise the ambient RH but don't put it near your SGFC put it in the other corner of the room if you do decide to run a humidifier at all. The SGFC IMO should have at least 6-12 inches of room from any wall on all 6 sides. This includes finding some sort of raisers to elevate the SGFC off of the surface it's on.

Misting and Fanning.
This is a source of much grief and 100's of posts a week here. Misting and fanning is not at all complicated as it needs to be. In general you'll mist your cakes until they glisten(yes they can even with the verm on them) and then fan right after the mist. You can mist your cakes directly and you should. When you notice the cake is no longer glistening you can mist it again and then fan. This occurs on average of 3-5 times a day. Don't worry about sleeping or being gone 12 hours. Just do it when you're around and don't forget about it is all. Fanning is not FAE it's only purpose is to relive the high RH air so that the cakes can get a kickstart on evaporation.

FAE
This is a phenomenon (Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.






Nice looking cakes though
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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19175226 - 11/22/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are holes ALL over this chamber 2" apart... Look closer.

Fan is only there to suck out the mist and to lower the rH after the fogger..

Dude, I haven't done ANYTHING to these cakes since I put them in. Let's see how they fruit like this :smile:


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: silverstem]
    #19175237 - 11/22/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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everyones gonna tell you to  remove that fan and the humidifier......




I know, I have other ones without... This is an experiment. This is a hobby after all.
And this ain't my first rodeo.


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19175258 - 11/22/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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everyones gonna tell you to  remove that fan and the humidifier......




I know, I have other ones without... This is an experiment. This is a hobby after all.



its not really an experiment if its done from ms... did u start both ur tubs from a lc?


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: silverstem]
    #19175264 - 11/22/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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everyones gonna tell you to  remove that fan and the humidifier......




I know, I have other ones without... This is an experiment. This is a hobby after all.



its not really an experiment if its done from ms... did u start both ur tubs from a lc?




The little guys are from a LC isolate. The tall guys and the tub are both MS from prints.


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19175389 - 11/22/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't have holes on the bottom side then that makes the perlite almost useless and not a SGFC.

If you do have the holes on the bottom, then the perlite is still useless because the FC is sitting on a flat surface.

Not saying your set up won't work, just pointing out the facts.

Basic Principles of the SGFC
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Principles and construction of Shotgun Fruiting Chambers (SGFC):

This guide is not focused on PF/BRF cakes per se. It's really just the basics of how the SGFC works.

How it's made

A properly made SGFC Is made of a clear/transparent tote with 1/4" holes on all 6 sides about 2" apart in a grid pattern.

They need 4"-5" of damp perlite.

Principle of operation

A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).

The fresh air that flows in through the bottom holes rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.

Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.

Some Things to Consider

The SGFC must not sit directly on a flat surface. It needs to be elevated. If not elevated, air can't flow in through the bottom and the whole system breaks down.

Once inside the SGFC, your cakes will need to misted and fanned. Because of the constant FAE, your cakes will dry out if not misted regularly. Schedules may vary slightly from region to region, but 3-6 times a day is pretty common.

Mist your cakes till they glisten with moisture and then fan the SGFC out. There is a magic moment when your cakes are no longer glistening, but they still appear moist, this is when you want to mist and fan again. Do this as often as required.

Mist cakes directly with a fine mist. The over-spray helps keep your perlite damp. Misting the walls serves absolutely no purpose.




I nominate you for a Rube Goldberg Award in Mycology.

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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19175526 - 11/22/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Holes on all 6 sides.... bottom is raised up by a piece of wood on each end.


Guys this is a SGFC.... just with auto fanning and misting.


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19175598 - 11/22/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I nominate you for a Rube Goldberg Award in Mycology.

You said flaming is fine




I like to do things my own way.


Been growing shrooms for over 20 years on and off. Just mostly as a hobby... Haters gunna hate, people that think they know it all, but don't really and won't usually take the time to look closely enough at things before spewing knowledge around. Kind of reminds me of people that buy flashy cars and or like to flash money. But to each their own.

I will post here once these have fruited.

God imagine the comments I would get if I posted a thread explaining how I grew mushrooms without any heat sterilization using various organic peroxides. Tee Hee



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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19177869 - 11/23/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen enough. Cool experiments work to make things better. Not a little bit less efficient with corners cut. Besides that now it's going to be more expensive, more prone to failure, and more complicated.


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19177887 - 11/23/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I gather this is what not to do...


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: tinkerous]
    #19177898 - 11/23/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So I gather this is what not to do...



:bigyesnod:

unless you have your own time to waist trying things that have been tried before.


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19178596 - 11/23/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So I gather this is what not to do...



:bigyesnod:

unless you have your own time to waist trying things that have been tried before.




OK, Mr. know it all, let's see all these cases of people doing exactly what I did??? You are very arrogant and condescending, and probably don't really know why 1/2 of the crap you spew forth from your fingers really works. First off you totally overlooked my SGFC, which WAS 100% made to a T like the specifications that everyone posted here.

There is nothing wrong with doing things your own way man... If you never fail, you don't fucking learn. Also, just because someone else has done something, and didn't get the same results doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Apparently you have NEVER done a scientific experiment and had to deal with variables.

I don't want this to sound like a flame, but good God guys... It's not like I am saying hey look at this better way of doing things. This is MY way of doing it, and at that.. It's an experiment, MY experiment.

What happens if this new box fruits just like my other boxes? And I didn't have to do anything other than fill up a reservoir once a week??? Will that make you stop bashing this thread? Because I can say for 99% these are going to fruit just like everything else.

The real truth is building the damn thing was easy, getting it dialed in properly is the hard part.



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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19178778 - 11/23/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Will that make you stop bashing this thread?





I think there's just a lot of people who try to do their own thing and then come on here to complain and ask questions without UTSF when their "experiment" goes wrong.

You want them to stop flaming? Post pictures of the fat ass fruits you grow using your method, but until then I'd expect to get flamed posting a modded tek with no results.

Especially when you added FAE and humidity to a tek that already deals with FAE and humidity...


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: urthtown]
    #19178797 - 11/23/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

obviously the OP doesn't want our opinions.
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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: urthtown]
    #19179262 - 11/23/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Especially when you added FAE and humidity to a tek that already deals with FAE and humidity...




Then why exactly do we mist and fan?? This isn't a monotub...


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: Moorning Due]
    #19179798 - 11/23/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Will that make you stop bashing this thread?





I think there's just a lot of people who try to do their own thing and then come on here to complain and ask questions without UTSF when their "experiment" goes wrong.

You want them to stop flaming? Post pictures of the fat ass fruits you grow using your method, but until then I'd expect to get flamed posting a modded tek with no results.

Especially when you added FAE and humidity to a tek that already deals with FAE and humidity...





:whathesaid:

We here have to deal with about 10 of these threads a week.

Truth is you need eyes to see when you need to mist and then eyes to know how much misting is enough. If you know anything about automation and the ensuing oscillation that have to be dealt with you'll see just how futile this machine is to make considering the best automation is you and it's pretty fucking easy to do in the first place just mist and fan a few times a day and no big deal if you skip it for a few days.

Your machine doesn't know how much to mist or how to deal with any fluctuations in the time it takes for your cakes to evaporate of the last misting. So it could easily over moisten your cakes or under moisten and the problem only builds. 

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obviously the OP doesn't want our opinions.
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some people need to asses their own arrogance. I'm sure I do look arrogant, to the OP only, but people don't know wisdom until they have their own :shrug:

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Especially when you added FAE and humidity to a tek that already deals with FAE and humidity...




Then why exactly do we mist and fan?? This isn't a monotub...



we mist and fan because it's not a monotub... SGFC gets the mist and fan.
Maybe you should read this.

Now we have to come here and seem like dicks because we don't want noobs to look at this and be like "that's what I need"

The good way to go about doing this "experiment" is to get some isolates and try them out with a control fruiting chamber. And also say that it's an experiment with valid and compelling reasoning as to why you would even think it's better in the first place(not because misting and fanning sounded too hard)


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Re: My new aSGFC.... (photos inside) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19179953 - 11/23/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

look buddy.. im not gonna sit here and flame you.. i have much better things to do with my time then to bring down other peoples experiments.. im sorry people have to be so harsh here.. GOOD LUCK to you and your grow. if the results are amazing then please come back and post them. i would love to see. but "experiments" with no results equals insults..


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