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will there be a shortage before christmas?
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shouldn't be, thing looks like ass
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Re: xbox one [Re: schwarg] 1
#19174260 - 11/22/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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schwarg said: shouldn't be, thing looks like ass
this is just my thought, my thoughts! what i was feelin at this moment!
dont believe that shit at all
everyone on the internet is talkshitters regarding the xbox one because they are 'followers' , and jack off alot, n are paranoid that the fbi is looking up on them LOL stupid shit
the xbox one is in-fact a better overall system. n i bet xboxone does better in the long run, just my 2 sense.(hate when people say its not a gaming system, its just as good as the ps4, n it has a better layout, better live capabilities, better setup) n No, the fbi isn't looking through your camera
i was goingto get ps4, but kingdom hearts is goingto be on xbox one. graphic wise its the same shit, you Will Not notice a difference. if you look at the spec's for instance and you pick for the graphics then you are a-hole. its the same thing.
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure] 2
#19174288 - 11/22/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Endure said:
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schwarg said: shouldn't be, thing looks like ass
this is just my thought, my thoughts! what i was feelin at this moment!
dont believe that shit at all
everyone on the internet is talkshitters regarding the xbox one because they are 'followers' , and jack off alot, n are paranoid that the fbi is looking up on them LOL stupid shit
the xbox one is in-fact a better overall system. n i bet xboxone does better in the long run, just my 2 sense.(hate when people say its not a gaming system, its just as good as the ps4, n it has a better layout, better live capabilities, better setup) n No, the fbi isn't looking through your camera
i was goingto get ps4, but kingdom hearts is goingto be on xbox one. graphic wise its the same shit, you Will Not notice a difference. if you look at the spec's for instance and you pick for the graphics then you are a-hole. its the same thing.
Sir, are you on drugs?
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Re: xbox one [Re: Nimpo]
#19174299 - 11/22/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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go ahead, explain why the ps4 is better, i will answer you back
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure]
#19174312 - 11/22/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the ps4 in the long run will have better exclusives, just like the ps3 did, as of now neither console has anything worth paying full price for.
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure] 4
#19174324 - 11/22/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Endure said: go ahead, explain why the ps4 is better, i will answer you back
Never mentioned anything about a ps4, but now we know you're a bedazzled xbox fan boy. Xbox vs playstation is no different than pc vs consoles. Theres no winner, just people sitting in front of a screen.
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Re: xbox one [Re: Nimpo]
#19174326 - 11/22/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd go PS4 in like a year, I want a gaming system not a second shittier computer. Oh boy I can skype while watching TV and playing COD: Ghosts in Space ALL AT THE SAME TIME ON MY XBOX ISNT IT GREATT. Haha, not really but I mean I already have a computer. I want a CONSOLE, not an entertainment system that's focusing it's power on doing all these bullshit things I'll never use. I also don't like Microsoft's stand on self-publishing, used games, privacy, I don't like the price and I don't like the look. /hada360lastgen
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Re: xbox one [Re: Nimpo]
#19174345 - 11/22/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nimpo said:
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schwarg said: shouldn't be, thing looks like ass
this is just my thought, my thoughts! what i was feelin at this moment!
dont believe that shit at all
everyone on the internet is talkshitters regarding the xbox one because they are 'followers' , and jack off alot, n are paranoid that the fbi is looking up on them LOL stupid shit
the xbox one is in-fact a better overall system. n i bet xboxone does better in the long run, just my 2 sense.(hate when people say its not a gaming system, its just as good as the ps4, n it has a better layout, better live capabilities, better setup) n No, the fbi isn't looking through your camera
i was goingto get ps4, but kingdom hearts is goingto be on xbox one. graphic wise its the same shit, you Will Not notice a difference. if you look at the spec's for instance and you pick for the graphics then you are a-hole. its the same thing.
Sir, are you on drugs?
had a hard time deciphering that as well
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Re: xbox one [Re: schwarg]
#19174351 - 11/22/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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GIVE ME STEAMBOX!!!
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Re: xbox one [Re: schwarg]
#19174360 - 11/22/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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schwarg said:
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schwarg said: shouldn't be, thing looks like ass
this is just my thought, my thoughts! what i was feelin at this moment!
dont believe that shit at all
everyone on the internet is talkshitters regarding the xbox one because they are 'followers' , and jack off alot, n are paranoid that the fbi is looking up on them LOL stupid shit
the xbox one is in-fact a better overall system. n i bet xboxone does better in the long run, just my 2 sense.(hate when people say its not a gaming system, its just as good as the ps4, n it has a better layout, better live capabilities, better setup) n No, the fbi isn't looking through your camera
i was goingto get ps4, but kingdom hearts is goingto be on xbox one. graphic wise its the same shit, you Will Not notice a difference. if you look at the spec's for instance and you pick for the graphics then you are a-hole. its the same thing.
Sir, are you on drugs?
had a hard time deciphering that as well
im on the no-sleep binge, what is that called, insomnia from marijuana deprivation. somehow laid in bed tho, for 10 hours, peacefully, on the computer
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure]
#19174396 - 11/22/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Xbox One is going to be the butt of the "console wars" joke, this generation.
it's a miserable pile of secrets!1
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akira_akuma said: Xbox One is going to be the butt of the "console wars" joke, this generation.
it's a miserable pile of secrets!1
Lol, can't just betray the system with games like Halo and Gears
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure]
#19174511 - 11/22/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys seem to be forgetting that consoles are intended to be around for 10-15 years. PS4 is far too narrow of an idea IMO. The Xbox One has the idea right, although the software is still in the early stages. It's goal is to replace everything under your TV: computer, gaming console, set top box, possibly even your stereo.
If they eventually get the integration right, and instead of controlling a set top box you can actually use the Xbox interface to directly control the television it's going to be pretty fantastic. It's all about the content providers really to allow these things to happen. Big changes are already happening with Netflix and I think MS has the influence to get the content providers on board eventually (maybe in a few years).
It isn't just about gaming. In a few years, if MS updates the software in the right direction, they could have a stranglehold on the entire living room. It's a neat idea, and I think it's way more forward thinking than the PS4. On top of that, the Kinect is extremely powerful and we haven't even begun to se developers take advantage of it yet.
Personally I'm not going to be buying either console (at least not for a few years), but I think the Xbox is in a FAR better position in the long run.
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Sorry but my samsung tv, with access to my wifi network, can already access my PC's media library, hop on netflix and anything else i care about really. When I buy a console, I don't really want anything other than a good gaming experience, which doesn't involve me flailing my arms like a retard in front of a dumbed down mocap sensor.
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Have any of u even had ur hands on them or jus spectulating based on some dewd who went to E3's blog. the xbox is actually better. I mean they're basically the same except the user interface which xbox wins hands down. N no way in hell ps4 gonna have better exclusives LOL
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My friends who have played both telling me PS4 has way better gaming and graphics, while X-box one is more like a computer and use more features.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Have any of u even had ur hands on them or jus spectulating based on some dewd who went to E3's blog. the xbox is actually better. I mean they're basically the same except the user interface which xbox wins hands down. N no way in hell ps4 gonna have better exclusives LOL
The interface is better, and you also don't have to switch inputs between TV and gaming. It's really meant to be an integrated solution and I think in 2-3 years time it's going to be AWESOME.
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they're essentially aiding nintendo by packing in that kinect sensor
everyone that would have bought an xbox is buying a wii u lol
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19174794 - 11/22/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: they're essentially aiding nintendo by packing in that kinect sensor
everyone that would have bought an xbox is buying a wii u lol
How do you figure?
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Most people who haven't gamed in 6 years aren't going to put out on a 500 dollar system
it's it's madness compared to buying something you have nostalgia for
not saying the people that don't have 360's won't get a One
..i predict with every big release nintendo will get 8million more people per year
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19174843 - 11/22/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: Most people who haven't gamed in 6 years aren't going to put out on a 500 dollar system
it's it's madness compared to buying something you have nostalgia for
not saying the people that don't have 360's won't get a One
..i predict with every big release nintendo will get 8million more people per year
I kinda want to start a video game company now, but that sounds a little expensive.
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Videgames were always extremely expensive
199 for a NES in 1986 is equivalent to 400$ today
the only thing that hasn't been that crude is portable gaming systems
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19174874 - 11/22/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: Most people who haven't gamed in 6 years aren't going to put out on a 500 dollar system
it's it's madness compared to buying something you have nostalgia for
not saying the people that don't have 360's won't get a One
..i predict with every big release nintendo will get 8million more people per year
I'm going to come back and when the sales figures come out. Nintendo has been going way down these last few years. These new consoles are going to drive their market share down, not up.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Have any of u even had ur hands on them or jus spectulating based on some dewd who went to E3's blog. the xbox is actually better. I mean they're basically the same except the user interface which xbox wins hands down. N no way in hell ps4 gonna have better exclusives LOL
there is no way you could know that. PS3 had much more exclusives, period; and Microsoft are going to propose to remedy that THIS time around. now it all depends on which exclusives are better. Gears and Halo, a literal hand full of exclusives is all that the Xbox had last time around. look at the numbers.
now when it comes to the UI. PS3 had a terribad interface. now they made it tons better, so i'd say they're tied with that, unless you wanna say that having Kinect support helps with the UI. i'd ahve to disagree with that, though. i like using my controller and Kinect hasn't been shown to be nothing but a buggy piece of crap, last gen. it could have been improved this gen, but to me it makes no difference... besides with PS4's Sony Eye, you can do just about all the things you could do with Kinect.
the hardware specs lean towards the PS4's power, and Microsoft's integrated system of user interface.
personally, i think power is more important.
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I'm waiting for the smart consoles.
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Halo is the only thing the x1 has
all ps4 has to do is reveal Gran Turismo 7 and a steering wheel
*BOOM*
the hardcore crowd is lost lol
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19174935 - 11/22/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well not really, but you see the point I'm making on the controller in a racing game
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19175279 - 11/22/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im getting the ps4 but I'll wait a while for the price to go down and for more games to come out for it. I don't see why so many people are buying the xbox one and ps4 right now, I guess they just feel buying a whole system just for call of duty ghosts or something since there isn't that many games out for them that people really wanna yet since they just came out. I don't really see a big difference in the xbox one and the 360 except for the graphics and some unnecessary new features, I already have Netflix,the internet and other apps on my 360 so I don't see the point in getting xbox one as of now I'll probably like the ps4 more because of the free online play and I've been getting back into sony consoles. I like mostly rpgs and Microsoft conoles usually don't have them and when they do their usually crappy
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Re: xbox one [Re: jtv56]
#19175287 - 11/22/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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x1 has a 1:1 rating of five stars to one star ps4 has 2:1
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Re: xbox one [Re: Nimpo]
#19175300 - 11/22/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nimpo said: Never mentioned anything about a ps4, but now we know you're a bedazzled xbox fan boy. Xbox vs playstation is no different than pc vs consoles. Theres no winner, just people sitting in front of a screen.
so true
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Magicman69 said: My friends who have played both telling me PS4 has way better gaming and graphics, while X-box one is more like a computer and use more features.
i beg to differ on the graphic capablities, from my understanding they use a extremely similiar engine, n it won't be noticeable by your eye
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure]
#19175430 - 11/22/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ps4 looks and plays 25% better then x1 no mistake
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure]
#19175431 - 11/22/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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FPS counters beg to differ. when gameplay for one game isn't as smooth as another, people will hardly not notice the difference.
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I'm waiting a while to get either a PS4 or Xbox one for three reasons. The obvious one is that the cost goes down a bit. The second is it gives the companies time to fix any bugs that are in the system. The third is it's unclear which system is the inferior machine yet. After a year all these issues will be solved, and I'll buy one to pwn some noobs.
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19175440 - 11/22/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: ps4 looks and plays 25% better then x1 no mistake
I don't know about 25%, but it's definitely better.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7528/the-xbox-one-mini-review-hardware-analysis/4
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as much shit as I talk about gddr5 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4 it has it's benefits
there's also a AMD video with graphics side by side of the respective cards
the ps4 is 50% better but looks 25% better in practice it gets the 30fps and the 1080p down fine
at the end of the day however it's all about the one or two exclusive games that makes you decide
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19175467 - 11/22/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ps4 1140 shaders x1 760 shaders
ps4 176GB/s bandwith x1 ddr3 with ESram to boost it to 100 GB/s
ps4 roughly 1.6 eight core x1 1.75 eight core
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19175469 - 11/22/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I disagree. I think the long-term impact will have very little to do with gaming as I outlined in my previous post.
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19175475 - 11/22/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh yea even on my 768 screen i can see the barb wire better on ps4
normally it wouldn't be a big deal but xbox 1 touts CoD as it's premier system seller
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Japan says hi
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Re: xbox one [Re: Konyap]
#19175689 - 11/22/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Take a look at this vid it shows a side by side comparison obv ur not gonna be able to see screen quality from a youtube vid but I think I gives a good idea of how both systems compare.
I also think it gonna be some games play better on the ps4 while some play better on xbox kind of deal. So its really a tough decision. Intially i was going to go with the PS4 but now have shifted to the xbox but im still not really sure.
Edited by CHeifM4sterDiezL (11/22/13 05:23 PM)
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I'm happy with my PS4. I've had a few hiccups and it's buggy at times but overall its been relatively painless and interesting to experience the launch of a console..
I didn't pre order an xbox one and I spent most my money so I don't have enough money to get one until early next month. I'm pretty sure I'm going to grab one though
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Anyone watch the south park episodes on the console wars? Anyways, I'm probably not going to be getting any of the newer generation consoles, at least for the next 2 years
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the price of the system makes gaming seem irrelevant and not worth it
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure]
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It's not like its much different from the previous generation..
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Re: xbox one [Re: Endure]
#19177344 - 11/23/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"I saved $60 a year by switching to playstation"
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Re: xbox one [Re: Dork]
#19177432 - 11/23/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nvm, just learned about ps+. Still save $10 bucks a year though :p
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Re: xbox one [Re: Dork]
#19177505 - 11/23/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Even more if you get your PS + Cards on black friday.. 20$ off playa.
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I'm sure they're both sweet as fuck. I've just always been a PS guy...so I'll get a PS4.
By the way I always get a kick out of the fanboy debates. Some dudes act like you're talking about their mother or something if you talk shit about their console preference.
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LordSenate
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Re: xbox one [Re: Niffla]
#19177728 - 11/23/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah that shits horrible man.. You can't go into any forum about consoles without fanboys enveloping everything in a fog of retardism(TM).
I've liked pretty much all the consoles that weren't miserable failures. I've been leanin more towards sony though.
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Niffla



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LordSenate said: Yeah that shits horrible man.. You can't go into any forum about consoles without fanboys enveloping everything in a fog of retardism(TM).
Yeah man that shit be getting heated!! 
"Say what you want about my girlfriend...shit, say what you want about my momma...BUT DON'T YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT SAYING A MOTHERFUCKING WORD ABOUT MY <insert console here>!!!!"
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