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akira_akuma
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really? so if i was gonna stab you, you wouldn't move or try and stop me? that's selfish of you. you hurt my feelings.
PS: you don't have attain selfishness. we ARE SELF, so there is no attainment necessary.
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NotTheDevil
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akira_akuma said: really? so if i was gonna stab you, you wouldn't move or try and stop me? that's selfish of you. you hurt my feelings.
PS: you don't have attain selfishness. we ARE SELF, so there is no attainment necessary.
You could say that allowing such extreme selfishness (stabbing people to feel good) just to make yourself feel selfless is selfish so you should not allow yourself to be stabbed.
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akira_akuma
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it's not selfless to want to stab someone, what in the hell are you getting at? lets get off the whole stabbing thing, it was my mistake to bring it up in the first place. lets talk about the clumps of hair in the sink, instead.
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NotTheDevil
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akira_akuma said: it's not selfless to want to stab someone, what in the hell are you getting at? lets get off the whole stabbing thing, it was my mistake to bring it up in the first place. lets talk about the clumps of hair in the sink, instead.
I didn't say it was. And I hate pulling those out
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akira_akuma
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i read it again, and i got what you're saying now.
well, to that i say... selflessness is conditional and is inherently selfish because YOU'D WANNA BE SELFLESS.  (scuse the caps; not yelling) the only selfless act, is one with no decision making at all.
guess what that is? can you guess? babies...
(i love pulling those out and rubbing them on my lips.)
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NotTheDevil
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akira_akuma said: i read it again, and i got what you're saying now.
well, to that i say... selflessness is conditional and is inherent selfish because YOU'D WANNA BE SELFLESS. 
the only selfless act, is one with no decision making at all.
guess what that is? can you guess? babies...
(i love pulling those out and rubbing them on my lips.)
Making babies is a decision.
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not really. unless all those accidents were in "Gods plan" or "conditioned by society" or whatever... lol you were probably an accident. i know i was. haha whoops!
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NotTheDevil
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akira_akuma said: not really. unless all those accidents were in "Gods plan" or "conditioned by society" or whatever... lol
In a society where you know unprotected sex=babies, making babies is usually a decision.
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akira_akuma
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in a society that knows so much, society should also know that Condoms break, only work 97% (or is it 98?) and that in the heat of undecided passion, people might just plum forget, or take heed not to care about wearing said protection (or forgetting to take the pill one day, either or)
ahhh, the completely selfless act... is usually a mistake@! HA
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KremrBigSikter said: Just because the human population won't increase into infinity doesn't mean there won't be a shortage of food and homes.
food maybe, but we can always grow more. and houses? i mean there are new neighborhoods being built 24/7. I think the real problem will be not having enough jobs to support the population.
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akira_akuma said: in a society that knows so much, society should also know that Condoms break, only work 97% (or is it 98?) and that in the heat of undecided passion, people might just plum forget, or take heed not to care about wearing said protection.
ahhh, the completely selfless act.
"forget" people don't 'forget' to wear condoms, they choose not to because they're to excited to care. Not to mention the morning after pill available at every pharmacy. and over condoms are 98% affective. theres also birth control that, while unusable for some women is over 99.99% effective. It takes either a want for children, or a lack of any caring whatsoever to have children assuming you were not purposefully raised without knowledge of human reproduction 'cause your parents thought it was morally wrong to know things.
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well, it has been know to happen, so... 
if you want to debate, i say we get back to my original assertion; people whom don't care about other people's happiness, will have to attest to the fact, that said people won't care about theirs, in return. simple math.
you say people should care. but why should they?
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akira_akuma said: well, it has been know to happen, so... 
if you want to debate, i say we get back to my original assertion; people whom don't care about other people's happiness, will have to attest to the fact, that said people won't care about theirs, in return. simple math.
you say people should care. but why should they?
If you don't care about the welfare of your species, fine good for you. But it doesn't work on a large scale and if everyone just says fuck it about other people's happiness the world goes to shit pretty quick. One example: early industrial revolution America, the work was long, hard and dangerous. Yet because people who cared about other people worked to change the way things work things improved and work was no longer likely to kill you. If everyone remained selfish, then these conditions would still be how our country operates and in fact black people would still be enslaved in America. Selflessness is selfishness is selflessness. In the way that being selfless ends up being better for the individual then being selfish, at least in the ong run.
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yes, we should all aspire to make one another happy... why aren't you in favor of making someone who wants a child happy? (i guess said person could find someone else to make them happy, but that doesn't answer why YOU wouldn't want to make them happy)
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NotTheDevil
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akira_akuma said: yes, we should all aspire to make one another happy... why aren't you in favor of making someone who wants a child happy?
I am, but understand that that act is, or at least could be selfish enough to prevent happiness in the future for everyone else, possibly even their children or their childrens children. I don't think overpopulation is much of a problem, yet. At least in america. But if everyone agreed that it was then having children, or at least a large number of children would be an act that makes everyone else less happy, and would be an act of ultimate selfishness that decreases the happiness of everyone else.
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Wouldn't selflessness imply that someone was never selfish? Wouldn't you use selfless instead?
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LordSenate said: Wouldn't selflessness imply that someone was never selfish? Wouldn't you use selfless instead?
selflessness implies an act or a person that is mostly selfless
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well, if we're not there yet, then don't make it get there. do you. if having no children makes you happy then go for it.
if someone else wants to have a baby or heaven forbid TWO or THREE maybe... then let them have that pleasure in their life, since it doesn't effect you, since there is no direct effect on the planet, that isn't already there.
are you... are you in favor of killing people to help the planet? because that's where were at right now... people are here making a mess already... having less kids isn't going to do anything but make for an eventually empty planet. at least in terms of human existence. (why do we have to get into semantic arguments about ethics, when all we'll do is circle around back to "i know you are but what am i" lets just get to the point) anyways... i am always drawn away from my initial argument, and since you maybe didn't see my original argument in this thread... i ask you... do you think a person is an idiot for having a child?
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LordSenate said: Wouldn't selflessness imply that someone was never selfish? Wouldn't you use selfless instead?
yeah, like i said, selflessness doesn't exist... hence, being selfless is essentially conditional on whether or not you can avoid being selfish. which inherently you can only do for certain things at certain times, with certain ascertainment; and ultimately it doesn't mean that you're selfless, it just means that you're taking a stance on your beliefs of selflessness. which is a good thing, if you're... a fireman... a racecar driver... a SOLDIER... but... you're still not a selfless person, just because of a selfless act.
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akira_akuma said: well, if we're not there yet, then don't make it get there. do you. if having no children makes you happy then go for it.
if someone else wants to have a baby or heaven forbid TWO or THREE maybe... then let them have that pleasure in their life, since it doesn't effect you, since there is no direct effect on the planet, that isn't already there.
are you... are you in favor of killing people to help the planet? because that's where were at right now... people are here making a mess already... having less kids isn't going to do anything but make for an eventually empty planet. at least in terms of human existence. (why do we have to get into semantic arguments about ethics, when all we'll do is circle around back to "i know you are but what am i" lets just get to the point) anyways... i am always drawn away from my initial argument, and since you maybe didn't see my original argument in this thread... i ask you... do you think a person is an idiot for having a child?
What, no I'm in favor of educating people and making various forms of birth control more available. And what I was saying is that those people who want more than 2 children (enough to replace them) should consider the long term effects of their actions.
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