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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19172582 - 11/21/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why is it you emphasized screw on type lids? Plenty of people have done plastic/tupperware with snap on lids without problems.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: ForgottenFreshness]
    #19172654 - 11/21/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am not sure why Violet did, but I can tell you that the ability to control exposure with screw caps is much greater than pop tops.  Far less likelihood of error and unwanted open air exchange.  There is a reason we use screw caps in lab settings when working in a sterile environment (in my experience).


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19172691 - 11/21/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know you are a big fan of Ryegrass seed and Brown Rice, but have you tried this tek with Wild Bird Seed?  I only ask because the prices on Wild Bird Seed are ridiculously low (as low as $.35 per pound).  Meanwhile the best I could do for Ryegrass would be around $1 a pound and  for Organic Brown Rice like $2 a pound.  Do you use Organic or regular brown rice in your tek?


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: BigGreenMat]
    #19172772 - 11/21/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't understand how these are great results, seem kind of average to me. Someone please help me understand? I am open minded and definitely a noob but these seem like average of less results for similar amounts of sub in PF tek / SFGC conditions.......getting bigger fruits and more mushies spawning to bulk.......appreciate any insight and not going to debate anyone on this. Thanks


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: SynKyd]
    #19172775 - 11/21/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't understand how these are great results, seem kind of average to me. Someone please help me understand? I am open minded and definitely a noob but these seem like average of less results for similar amounts of sub in PF tek / SFGC conditions.......getting bigger fruits and more mushies spawning to bulk.......appreciate any insight and not going to debate anyone on this. Thanks







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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19172829 - 11/21/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I believe the idea is that by not shaking in order to spawn, the mycelium network is healthier and stronger. You also remove a step (spawning) which potentially leads to fruits faster.

IMO this tek would have more benefits with species other than cubes. Cubes are weeds and can tolerant the shake, whereas many other species do not. This is why most people who don't like the tek prefer to spawn to bulk because you don't need to worry about things like bottom watering, and all the maintenance that this tek requires. The expense of RGS and Rice is another aspect that turns people off whereas WBS is cheap as dirt.

I can see potential for this with things like p Mexicana, but for cubes it seems like a lot of extra work.
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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19172845 - 11/21/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Correct me if I'm wrong but, I believe the idea is that by not shaking in order to spawn, the mycelium network is healthier and stronger. You also remove a step (spawning) which potentially leads to fruits faster.

IMO this tek would have more benefits with species other than cubes. Cubes are weeds and can tolerant the shake, whereas many other species do not. This is why most people who don't like the tek prefer to spawn to bulk because you don't need to worry about things like bottom watering, and all the maintenance that this tek requires. The expense of RGS and Rice is another aspect that turns people off whereas WBS is cheap as dirt.

I can see potential for this with things like p Mexicana, but for cubes it seems like a lot of extra work.
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Good points, I am hoping to try this tek with my Albino PE and Panaeolus.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: BigGreenMat]
    #19172861 - 11/21/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I doubt it would really make much difference with APE, but it would probably work well with pans.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: SynKyd]
    #19173042 - 11/21/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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ForgottenFreshness said:
Why is it you emphasized screw on type lids? Plenty of people have done plastic/tupperware with snap on lids without problems.



There are multiple reasons for screw-lid containers.  BigGreenMat hit on some.

The first main reason is that the lids are no-hassle for this kind of use.
They sit on securely for pressure-cooking whereas pop-top lids sit loosely. Out of the cooker you have to be VERY careful with the pop-top lids until inoculating.
Screw-top lids are a cinch to sterilize and handle with no more contam chance than anything else.

The second main reason is easy gas exchange, if a use calls for it. The pop lids are either ON or OFF, but the screw-top lids can be very slightly loosened with a small turn, allowing for excess CO2 to be pushed out without making an easy path for contams.

The bottom of lid's threads sit on the top of container's threads, lifting the seal of the lid off of the container's rim.  This is what allows for both of those

And in general these containers are simply ideal for this work.  After having tried several things to this exact ends, these style containers are clearly the way to go.
I use them not only for fruiting but also for agar dishes, "master jars", sterile printing, several other culturing uses in addition to the daily uses of all sorts of containers.
One simply cannot do all these things the same with pop-lid containers.


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I know you are a big fan of Ryegrass seed and Brown Rice, but have you tried this tek with Wild Bird Seed?  I only ask because the prices on Wild Bird Seed are ridiculously low (as low as $.35 per pound).  Meanwhile the best I could do for Ryegrass would be around $1 a pound and a bit more than that for Brown Rice.



I have never done this tek so I can't say for sure, but grains are usually pretty interchangeable in other teks. Ones they're all colonized it's just some grain held together with mycelium anyways.



Yes I have tried other grains.  The tek is done exactly the same, no difference.

To be honest, my opinion of my results is not quite as good with other grains as with GS and BR.
Particularly I haven't seen top yields with rye at all.  No bias against rye at all, it was my main grain and I loved my source and the grain itself.  Birdseed results are a bit better, probably because of Millet, my #3 to RG and BR.

A grow technique like this allows one to see operating differences with various grains.
I used to think otherwise but now nobody can convince me there aren't many or noteworthy differences.

I love grass seed. Falling in love with brown rice too.


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I don't understand how these are great results, seem kind of average to me. Someone please help me understand? I am open minded and definitely a noob but these seem like average of less results for similar amounts of sub in PF tek / SFGC conditions.......getting bigger fruits and more mushies spawning to bulk.......appreciate any insight and not going to debate anyone on this. Thanks



Is 20-30 grams per PF cake average?  No no, far from it, 10 on a PF cake is great.

The work is incredibly reduced from other grow techs, and the grains yield the same as they would in bulk substrate, perhaps better with ideal culturing and grow procedure.
Measuring yields against the amount of grain that went into the grow, I get better yields now than I did "spawning" to "bulk" especially considering my much higher success rate.

We're all already doing the sterile work of inoculating our sterilized grains in containers of some sort.
This tek reduces almost the entire grow procedure to just those otherwise beginning steps.

With proper sterile tech, success is incredibly high.
Contaminants are easily isolated and the rest of the grow pans out nicely.
Requires no additional substrates, or colonization of uncolonized substrate in untreated environs.
No destruction of colonies.  Energy expenditure is reduced to a fraction.

Any fruiting chamber can work.
I even sometimes fit 2-liter soda bottles with the bottoms cut off onto the containers as individual chambers!

Personally I dislike getting my yield in huge mushrooms.  As long as the end yield is the same I much prefer it come in many easy-to-dry medium fruits.  But as it happens my top-yielding strains have always been clusters of mediums; some giants always come in 2nd.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19173063 - 11/21/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:
This is why most people who don't like the tek prefer to spawn to bulk because you don't need to worry about things like bottom watering, and all the maintenance that this tek requires.
for cubes it seems like a lot of extra work.



Are you kidding?  Spoken like someone who hasn't done it
Pouring a tad of water a few times per container is the least maintenance I've ever paid to a grow, the easiest grow style I've ever experienced.

Remember: just a little watering entirely replaces bulk sub acquisition, prep, pasteurization, spawn break-up, bulk inoculation and mixing, and the disposing of so much spent substrate. Also eliminates the greatest failure risk junctures.

YOUR tek requires "all the maintenance"!    (Lol "No U")

It's almost a neglect tek!  With one major exception... Harvest can be like nearly constant

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The expense of RGS and Rice is another aspect that turns people off whereas WBS is cheap as dirt.



Birseed works for this tek.
Honestly grain price is no excuse. I can find grass seed plenty cheap. I can also find it expensive.
Rice is commonly $.60-.90 per pound around here.  Rye in bulk is $.50/lb, no cheaper anywhere. Wheat $.42/lb.  I've not found birdseed under $.40
And yet to me $.80-per-pound for RGS still seems like the best buy, BY A LONG SHOT, especially as a "master" inoculant grain where it's 5x as effective as other grains.

As said above, a grow tech like this offers clear visual of the differences amongst grains.


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IMO this tek would have more benefits with species other than cubes.



There's no doubt this method will work quite wonderfully with many species that can fruit from straight-grains, and sub mods for even more species.
However you are clearly missing how well this tek works for Cubensis.  It's truly designed for Cubensis' nearly unique efficiency and hardiness on a grain-only substrate.  It's yields on such materials bests all other species, and this tek stretches its limits even further.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19173075 - 11/21/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you kidding?  Spoken like someone who hasn't done it
Pouring a tad of water a few times per container is the least maintenance I've ever paid to a grow, the easiest grow style I've ever experienced.



Fact is monotubs are even easier....no bottom watering period.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet] * 1
    #19173092 - 11/21/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Violet, keep up the good work! Don't mind the haters!



I have one question.

When you microwave as seen in this photo:

How do you keep the water from boiling up and out of the container and all over your microwave? Why can't you just put the lid on but not tighten it?


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: PussyFart]
    #19173229 - 11/22/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Violet said:
Are you kidding?  Spoken like someone who hasn't done it
Pouring a tad of water a few times per container is the least maintenance I've ever paid to a grow, the easiest grow style I've ever experienced.



Fact is monotubs are even easier....no bottom watering period.




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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19173723 - 11/22/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fact is, v-tek grows dont all end in trich JM.
its not easier to decontaminate a bulk.

jm , you only espouses bulks, cuz its the only skill ya know.
therefore, your experience level, means little on this thread.

this thread is for peeps that want more effective and controlled crops, and have advanced past bulk teks.

our grow will not improve, if we imitate you.
we do not want to imitate your bulks.
thats the entire point.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: anne halonium]
    #19173739 - 11/22/13 05:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fact is, v-tek grows dont all end in trich JM.
its not easier to decontaminate a bulk.

jm , you only espouses bulks, cuz its the only skill ya know.
therefore, your experience level, means little on this thread.

this thread is for peeps that want more effective and controlled crops, and have advanced past bulk teks.

our grow will not improve, if we imitate you.
we do not want to imitate your bulks.
thats the entire point.




Hey now,

I've got more single pp5s and mini-cakes, invitro and
agar going than I do bulks currently!

TAKE IT BACK.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19173743 - 11/22/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, and you said V-TEK



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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19173749 - 11/22/13 06:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

and yet ,ya fail to mention that , and espouse bulks.

tell ya what,
keep up the v -tek work.
gain a wider skill set, and well talk.

ya make me wonder JM, but i havent given up hope on ya yet.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: anne halonium]
    #19173757 - 11/22/13 06:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
and yet ,ya fail to mention that , and espouse bulks.

tell ya what,
keep up the v -tek work.
gain a wider skill set, and well talk.

ya make me wonder JM, but i havent given up hope on ya yet.




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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19173768 - 11/22/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Violet said:
Are you kidding?  Spoken like someone who hasn't done it
Pouring a tad of water a few times per container is the least maintenance I've ever paid to a grow, the easiest grow style I've ever experienced.



Fact is monotubs are even easier....no bottom watering period.




NO THEY ARE NOT EASIER.

Read again; I said the easiest grow style I've ever experienced, & I've experienced a LOT of monotubs.

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Remember: just a little watering entirely replaces bulk sub acquisition, prep, pasteurization, spawn break-up, bulk inoculation and mixing, and the disposing of so much spent substrate. Also eliminates the greatest failure risk junctures.


We're all already doing the sterile work of inoculating our sterilized grains in containers of some sort.
This tek reduces almost the entire grow procedure to just those otherwise beginning steps.




Seriously.  Try convincing me that bottom-watering is more difficult than even a Single of the many "bulk sub" growing steps.  Try your hardest.
You'll have a tough time, seeing as I've done a Lot of both, and know the facts first-hand.

One would have to be an idiot to think the extra "bulk sub" steps are easier than watering, especially considering you Still have to water bulk subs somehow after 1st flush, just like this tek.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19173778 - 11/22/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
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Violet said:
Are you kidding?  Spoken like someone who hasn't done it
Pouring a tad of water a few times per container is the least maintenance I've ever paid to a grow, the easiest grow style I've ever experienced.



Fact is monotubs are even easier....no bottom watering period.




NO THEY ARE NOT EASIER.



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