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jpack666



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Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes???
#19173420 - 11/22/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi everyone!
I've been reading the strain thread and it prompted me to ask how come after ALL these years cubes havn't been traded for pan cyans?
Any discussion on how to potentiate psilocybin with maoi or on how to use teks like the lemon tek to make the mushroom more "active" in some "unknown" way, or things like extracts or teas or powdering the shrooms... Isn't that a waste of energy?
In my opinion, by now, most who have some experience should know that if your tripping, it's not because of a mushroom, but because of a chemical IN the mushroom...
And if that chemical is more present in species like pan cyans, why are people still growing cubes?
I don't know....
What do you think?
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19173441 - 11/22/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because cubes are extremely easy to grow.
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Any discussion on how to potentiate psilocybin with maoi or on how to use teks like the lemon tek to make the mushroom more "active" in some "unknown" way, or things like extracts or teas or powdering the shrooms... Isn't that a waste of energy?
MAOI's potentiate the experience for known reasons.
Lemon Tek has some decent chemical process behind it. Not a mystery either.
Extracts, teas, and powders all help to prevent nausea due to taste, or a general disagreement with the mushroom in some way.
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Cyanescens do not really fruit indoors. So your next step, for increased potency, would more likely be panaeolus.
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19173503 - 11/22/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: Cyanescens do not really fruit indoors. So your next step, for increased potency, would more likely be panaeolus.
Panaeolus cyanescens.  But there are two simple reasons IMO. Cubes are extremely easy to grow, and produce astonishing amounts of mushrooms, especially regarding weight. Consequently, the prints of oh-so-many-strains of P. cubensis are available on vendor sites, FSRE, forums... So of course people will start with those. The other reason is equally simple, but somewhat less obvious. People who buy 'shrooms' from dealers know absolutely nothing about mushrooms and various psilocybin species, they just want to get drugged. And they know that you need an eight to get properly tripping. They would get highly suspicious is someone said they have an extremely potent species and they only need 1 gram for an extreme experience. Lolz you idiot, no strain is that potent. So dealers grow and sell cubensis. People who grow for themselves (a fairly small number), do grow various Panaeolus species, P. mexicana, P. zapotecorum etc. They are not that obscure.
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: Tangich]
#19173583 - 11/22/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tangich said:
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LiquidGlass said: Cyanescens do not really fruit indoors. So your next step, for increased potency, would more likely be panaeolus.
Panaeolus cyanescens.  But there are two simple reasons IMO. Cubes are extremely easy to grow, and produce astonishing amounts of mushrooms, especially regarding weight. Consequently, the prints of oh-so-many-strains of P. cubensis are available on vendor sites, FSRE, forums... So of course people will start with those. The other reason is equally simple, but somewhat less obvious. People who buy 'shrooms' from dealers know absolutely nothing about mushrooms and various psilocybin species, they just want to get drugged. And they know that you need an eight to get properly tripping. They would get highly suspicious is someone said they have an extremely potent species and they only need 1 gram for an extreme experience. Lolz you idiot, no strain is that potent. So dealers grow and sell cubensis. People who grow for themselves (a fairly small number), do grow various Panaeolus species, P. mexicana, P. zapotecorum etc. They are not that obscure.
Lol I am so used to people saying cayanescens and meaning psilocybe cyans that i did not even notice the pan in front of it in the OP
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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19173597 - 11/22/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Liquid glass, I feel you. Was in a shop one day, just asked the owner if he had pan cyans, he said, those are wood lovers you can't grow them indoors, I told him not p. Cyans, PAN cyans... And he looked at me like "what a weirdo" lol
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jpack666



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wildernessjunkie said: Because cubes are extremely easy to grow.
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Any discussion on how to potentiate psilocybin with maoi or on how to use teks like the lemon tek to make the mushroom more "active" in some "unknown" way, or things like extracts or teas or powdering the shrooms... Isn't that a waste of energy?
MAOI's potentiate the experience for known reasons.
Lemon Tek has some decent chemical process behind it. Not a mystery either.
Extracts, teas, and powders all help to prevent nausea due to taste, or a general disagreement with the mushroom in some way.
The "unknown" was for the lemon tek, because experiments are not consistent in my own experience. The Maoi's are dangerous if not taken with a diet and do by themself cause nausea. And nausea is augmented when potency is lower because you will usually eat more volume and deal with more alkaloids in your digestive system, IMO, but I don't know, could be wrong....
And I know cubes are easy to grow, but I keep reading that pan cyans are even easier... And don't even need a change in tek... So unless I was missinformed, the pan cyans should be just as easy to grow than cubes... That is why I'm confused.
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Edited by jpack666 (11/22/13 04:25 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19173710 - 11/22/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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most peeps barely have the skill to grow cubes, let alone the exotics. thats slowly changing though.........
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19174006 - 11/22/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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jpack666 said: In my opinion, by now, most who have some experience should know that if your tripping, it's not because of a mushroom, but because of a chemical IN the mushroom...
And if that chemical is more present in species like pan cyans, why are people still growing cubes?
Because copelandias suck. There's more than one active alkaloid in mushrooms, and something in copes/pan cyans give a dark, scary trip. Cubes aren't much better really, but are super easy to grow. Psilocybe cyanescens need to grow outdoors, but are far superior in trip quality. RR
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19174070 - 11/22/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Because copelandias suck. There's more than one active alkaloid in mushrooms, and something in copes/pan cyans give a dark, scary trip. Cubes aren't much better really, but are super easy to grow. Psilocybe cyanescens need to grow outdoors, but are far superior in trip quality. RR
Interesting.
Now there's another mushroom I have to add to my must try list.
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: Dark76]
#19174581 - 11/22/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why is the trip quality better? Just lesh mush matter to digest, hence less body load, or is there something chemically different? I never have the slightest discomfort on mushrooms anymore, cubes that is, so if it's just the former I doubt there'd be much difference for myself.
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: krypto2000]
#19174799 - 11/22/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Active mushrooms contain psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin. Different species contain different amounts.
IMO the reason people don't grow more Pans is because they don't yield as well.
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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: anne halonium]
#19174833 - 11/22/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Krypto: if you can take 7 grams of dried cubes without discomfort, I agree the body load for you wouldn't make much difference. But there is something chemically different in 2 ways, first the potency... Then also there is serotonin in the mushroom, but not sure if it is present enough to change the trip. Which is why I'm hoping that experienced members can help shed light on this. I also read that pan cyans trip quality is increased when eaten fresh... and since more potent, and smaller, you could just need 10 fresh mushrooms to trip which for the stomach could be making a difference. Now as per why is the trip quality better? I don't know, I first was told that they give a much more visual experince and that you can have more mental clarity on them... But maybe it depends on the person or setting, because RR's comments about them were opposite to what I had heard before... Makes you think....
To RR, I was actually under the impression that the trip quality was equal between pan cyans and p. cyans, difference being the way they are cultivated... So thanks for your insight, now I definitly want to try and compare some day...
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anne halonium said: most peeps barely have the skill to grow cubes, let alone the exotics. thats slowly changing though.........
That's great, I'm happy to know this is happening 
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Because copelandias suck. There's more than one active alkaloid in mushrooms, and something in copes/pan cyans give a dark, scary trip. Cubes aren't much better really..... RR
I like the dark... I know some people don't... But me I like to be taken to these places... Knock on wood
Thanks
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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19174857 - 11/22/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Active mushrooms contain psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin. Different species contain different amounts.
IMO the reason people don't grow more Pans is because they don't yield as well.
In the end though, does the higher potency eclipse that low yield factor? IME I still don't know...
Oh and btw pan cyans have serotonin, but don't know if it's enough to cause effects...
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19174870 - 11/22/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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IME, no it doesn't eclipse the yield.
Serotonin can't pass the BBB if you just ingest serotonin. You have to take some sort of prodrug to raise serotonin.
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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19174906 - 11/22/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: IME, no it doesn't eclipse the yield.
Great info! Thanks a lot...
And thanks for that serotonin info, that's one thing settled
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Edited by jpack666 (11/22/13 01:41 PM)
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19175029 - 11/22/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
Because copelandias suck. There's more than one active alkaloid in mushrooms, and something in copes/pan cyans give a dark, scary trip. RR
QFT, I have never seen someone else mention this on the forums (not that i have looked) but I agree 1000%. Pans are Dark, that's the best way to describe them.. Not just that but they are harder to dose - require more accurate weighing. Everything about Cubes, from growing, then dosing, to the trip itself, is more forgiving.
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: Irfan]
#19175034 - 11/22/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's woodlover season here... P.Cyans, Allensi, Azure etc. Not many people complaining, or asking for cubes instead.
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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: InTheBiggun]
#19175222 - 11/22/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Irfan said:
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RogerRabbit said:
Because copelandias suck. There's more than one active alkaloid in mushrooms, and something in copes/pan cyans give a dark, scary trip. RR
QFT, I have never seen someone else mention this on the forums (not that i have looked) but I agree 1000%. Pans are Dark, that's the best way to describe them.. Not just that but they are harder to dose - require more accurate weighing. Everything about Cubes, from growing, then dosing, to the trip itself, is more forgiving.
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InTheBiggun said: It's woodlover season here... P.Cyans, Allensi, Azure etc. Not many people complaining, or asking for cubes instead.
I love this thread...
1. Many mushrooms added to my "to try" list 2. That dark aspects of pans... Coming from you guys, trusted info. 3. A great place to start for people wondering about "non-cube" species 4. A great place to discuss the subtle differences in species
I think it's well known now that most cubes are alike... And that amanita's are crap. But I feel there is much to learn about what else is out there... Only on such a forum can our knowledge be expanded in such a way... Thanks
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19175444 - 11/22/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Free Serotonin in the gut or blood stream could cause odd feelings but as mentioned doesn't cross into the brain. Since the known tryptamines in shrooms all act about the same, I would say the idea of 'dark' trip has more to with setting and expected results than actual tryptamines. Although I do wonder how much the alkaloid content varies wet vs dry.
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