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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: StygianKnight]
#19175514 - 11/22/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said: Since the known tryptamines in shrooms all act about the same, I would say the idea of 'dark' trip has more to with setting and expected results than actual tryptamines.
That's my view of it. Unfortunatly I don't have 1% of the experience that some people here do so I don't know..... I'm really fascinated by all this!
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: StygianKnight]
#19175537 - 11/22/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said: Free Serotonin in the gut or blood stream could cause odd feelings but as mentioned doesn't cross into the brain. Since the known tryptamines in shrooms all act about the same, I would say the idea of 'dark' trip has more to with setting and expected results than actual tryptamines. Although I do wonder how much the alkaloid content varies wet vs dry.
I would have too. My partner, I, and another friend i hooked up all had bad eerie trips on them. I wont rule out placebo however. I didn't have any expectations before the trip, just the look of the little stringy pale white mushrooms could have been enough to effect the trip.
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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: Irfan]
#19175550 - 11/22/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Were they wet or dried? (Just for the record)
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19175586 - 11/22/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: Tangich]
#19175601 - 11/22/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: Cyanescens do not really fruit indoors. So your next step, for increased potency, would more likely be panaeolus.
Panaeolus cyanescens.  But there are two simple reasons IMO. Cubes are extremely easy to grow, and produce astonishing amounts of mushrooms, especially regarding weight. Consequently, the prints of oh-so-many-strains of P. cubensis are available on vendor sites, FSRE, forums... So of course people will start with those. The other reason is equally simple, but somewhat less obvious. People who buy 'shrooms' from dealers know absolutely nothing about mushrooms and various psilocybin species, they just want to get drugged. And they know that you need an eight to get properly tripping. They would get highly suspicious is someone said they have an extremely potent species and they only need 1 gram for an extreme experience. Lolz you idiot, no strain is that potent. So dealers grow and sell cubensis. People who grow for themselves (a fairly small number), do grow various Panaeolus species, P. mexicana, P. zapotecorum etc. They are not that obscure.
you don't know how many times i have tried to give people 3 grams of Ps. cyanescens, telling them split it with one other person if you REALLY wanna get fucked, or split it with 2 other people if you wanna have a good time of it; please trust me on this.... for them to be like "yeah right, what the fuck is this shit?! this is small!" then i talked to them a few days later after they decided to eat most of it themselves and they had a terrible time cause they got in way over their heads...
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RogerRabbit said: Because copelandias suck. There's more than one active alkaloid in mushrooms, and something in copes/pan cyans give a dark, scary trip. Cubes aren't much better really, but are super easy to grow. Psilocybe cyanescens need to grow outdoors, but are far superior in trip quality. RR
also, this!! (lol, the 2 points i had to make were already made, figured i'd reiterate...) sure they all contain more or less the same thing, but for some reason or other, the way it works on your system feels different. Pan cyans definitely give me a fucked up trip where i go to dark places, cubensis way less so, and Ps. cyans is usually super visual/easy to deal with mentally. i have eaten Ps. cyans till i couldn't tell the difference between opening and closing my eyes and was just fine throughout; i would be really afraid of doing that with Pan cyans...
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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19175773 - 11/22/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did some research and found these links which provide many of the above answers plus more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cyanescens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_cyanescens
From the looks of it, so far, the Ps. Cyan's page is full of info and the Pan Cyan page is almost empty of useful content. Also, they say the Ps. Cyan is referred to as The Potent Mushroom. Plus they say although it is difficult it can be grown indoors. They also say they can be grown with some of the teks used for growing other psilocybe species... Note that I said Ps.'s and not Cubes... I don't know if any cube teks can work on Ps. Cyans ...I'll bet they don't 
I've also heard from a store that all who had tried to grow their Ps. Cyans indoors had yet to report any success...
Interesting stuff...
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19175806 - 11/22/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I remember reading some indoor Ps. Cyan grows a long time ago. But they were few and far between. The ones with success were fruiting them in a refrigerator. And took some serious doing to make it happen.
Im sure the links are out there somewhere, but Im not going to dig for them.
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: InTheBiggun]
#19175880 - 11/22/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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InTheBiggun said: It's woodlover season here... P.Cyans, Allensi, Azure etc. Not many people complaining, or asking for cubes instead.
http://www.shroomery.org/11368/Other-Psilocybe-species-General-Cultivation Is that what this page is all about? Woodlovers?
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19176220 - 11/22/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19176427 - 11/22/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I found all the info I needed. It's all in my new signature... Thanks a lot... hope this helps. I'm signing off with the signature change.
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jPack - In Search of POTENTial! Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? Other Psilocybe Species?!? Comparative Ps. "X" Potency Scale!!! How to do it!!! ~RR Psilocybe azurescens indoor cultivation tek
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19176470 - 11/22/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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donnt take the indoor azzies to heart, some don't believe it and there was never spore work done to prove it nor has it been replicated
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666] 3
#19178497 - 11/23/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jpack666 said: RR has already replied to this.... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18988112/filter/i
Just because RR replies to something doesn't mean it's absolutely answered. He can be and has been wrong before, and sometimes answers aren't just cut and dried so that one person can just answer it.
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jpack666



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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19180383 - 11/23/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jpack666 said: RR has already replied to this.... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18988112/filter/i
Just because RR replies to something doesn't mean it's absolutely answered. He can be and has been wrong before, and sometimes answers aren't just cut and dried so that one person can just answer it.
That's true of course 
Although I decided he was a worthy scholar on this issue after I found another thread somewhere (sorry I don't have the link at this time) that showed he tried to replicate the indoor tek as best as he could and he only came up with a similar yield as what you can see in that tek that some people beleive is fake. So he ended up saying "even if it can be done (take note I think he had used the outdoors to trigger pinning), it's really not worth it given all the work and the outcome at the end... especially when it's so easy to do outdoors".
I'll always be open to new ideas (see my signature), I just won't be one of those that has the time to experiment with indoor azures, not a battle that interests me after all I read on the subject.
If anyone finds a way to do it easily, dear god PLEASE add it here and PM ME!!! 
For now though, it seems there are very valid reasons to stick to cubes for indoor growths and then experiment with other Ps. when you can make outdoor beds...
Also, it seems that Pans/Copes are not worth it because of "trip quality". They also seem to be nowhere near the potency potential of outdoor species like Azure's for instance. I must add: This issue has not been fully discussed in this topic. Maybe for another thread in The Psychedelic Experience forum? ... will see
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Re: Why "shrooms" are almost always cubes??? [Re: jpack666]
#19181405 - 11/24/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pans are right up there potency wise along with ps. Cyans and azures. There are a bunch of species like gyms. That readily fruit indoors, check captain futures grows you can find them in the growlog forum just click his nam, he has done one of the widest varietys of anyone I've seen on here
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