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Determining factors for experiences.
    #19171238 - 11/21/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I've noticed many people take things like weight, tolerance, age, and diet into consideration for how strong an experience is.

From looking at certain meditation techniques and such. I've come to consider that maybe many factors are overlooked that could determine alot.

Current mood and environment obviously play a role. But I've always thought that maybe oxygen intake plays a key role. How you breath, How long your breathe is. Maybe even if your expecting an effect or not.

Anyone else have any factors they think are key to an experience but are typically overlooked in the experience community?


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: Adustus]
    #19171756 - 11/21/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think dosage matters quite a bit. :shrug:

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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19171865 - 11/21/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think dosage matters quite a bit. :shrug:

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Well yeah of course. But I'm saying in the matter of a scientific view. There's many elements we don't look at that could have more to do with the experience than you'd think.

Like breathing, whether it's recreational or spiritual. There's all sorts of stuff.
Maybe even how good your health is or if you react more to dopamine or serotonin.


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: Adustus]
    #19172588 - 11/21/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Everything takes quite a role, literally even the stars take a role. Do we know how or why? No but a certain star aligned with a certain planet could change the outcome of the entire universe. Like a droplet of water hitting a lake. Go figure. Anyway, KEY factors would be stuff like dosage. How you breathe would not be a key factor unless you make it one by breathing abnormally or focusing on your breathing as seen in some meditation and shit.


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: Adustus]
    #19172612 - 11/21/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think that, in the matter of a scientific view, and for mushrooms, ('cause that's the only way I trip) dosage IS the major factor.

I only mentioned it since you left it out of the OP... :lol:


Everything else, of course, can matter as well.  Hydration matters a great deal, and IME is often the difference (going in) between bliss and not-quite.  Fitness and physical health is vital to a good experience.  So is mental health.

But dosage rules.  And not only dosage - quality of mushrooms, freshness, potency, is almost everything. You want the best trip, you gotta run on the best fuel.  :vibin:

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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19172830 - 11/21/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think that, in the matter of a scientific view, and for mushrooms, ('cause that's the only way I trip) dosage IS the major factor.

I only mentioned it since you left it out of the OP... :lol:


Everything else, of course, can matter as well.  Hydration matters a great deal, and IME is often the difference (going in) between bliss and not-quite.  Fitness and physical health is vital to a good experience.  So is mental health.

But dosage rules.  And not only dosage - quality of mushrooms, freshness, potency, is almost everything. You want the best trip, you gotta run on the best fuel.  :vibin:

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I dig that trippy image man.

Idk it just got me thinking breathing could be a big deal because I've seen how big a deal breathing makes to your lifetime. During merkabah meditation you breath in 12 second intervals and you breath the life force energy. So for me personally I see breathe being a big deal in any experience.

I'm just trying to find what could potentially take the whole experience to a new level. Like the first guy who dosed with some emergen C packets. lol.


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: Adustus]
    #19173073 - 11/21/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Breath is breath, it's about oxygen respiration, not mysterious energy.  But believe what you like. :thumbup:

Buddhist meditation often focuses on the breath because it's a convenient way to enter the state of direct experience via observation and quiets the discursive mind.

I seriously really doubt there is ANYTHING besides the actual drugs that can "take the experience to a whole new level." Try a dose that's on the edge of making you lose it altogether.  That's a whole new level.

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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19173129 - 11/21/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

holotropic breathwork works with using your breathing to achieve visionary states, no drugs involved, just evocative music and "breathwork"


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19173287 - 11/22/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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holotropic breathwork works with using your breathing to achieve visionary states, no drugs involved, just evocative music and "breathwork"




Thats cool. I'll check that out for sure.:thumbup:

Id say many factors come in though. Like which upper chakra your thrown into by the psychedelic you take. If its the Vibrational one then music is a huge factor. If its the Sacred geometry one then what you see in your environment is a factor. I think It branches into more and more possible elements rather than being so simple. But maybe I'm just seeing forces at work that others don't.

As usual.

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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: Adustus]
    #19173309 - 11/22/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

considering psilocin is heavily involved with neurons, it's not far fetched to believe that there's a lot of variables people don't know about that can affect the experience. Breathing legitimately could have an affect since the breaths themselves could have an affect on heart rate and obviously oxygen levels in the blood, which would indirectly (or maybe directly?) affect the persons trip by affecting the persons neorons somehow through the increased/decreased heart rate and increased/decreased o2 levels. This is pure speculation on my part, but it's interesting to speculate since no one truly knows at this point in time.

I want to leave you guys with this: http://www.naturalnews.com/024286_music_brain_the.html

there's plenty to read about the subject. Music literally changes a person, this too could have an affect on the experience.


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #19174629 - 11/22/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Now... Not wanting to get all sciencey... Breathing affects a few things In the body
Oxygen level is pretty simple though not important for neurons ... They will get O2 one way or another else you dead... As long as you don't have breathing problems...
pH in blood ... Though it's regulated and buffered
Probably one of the most important is that breathing affects the parasympathetic nervous system. One of the reasons yoga and mediation actually have a real affect on the body. This includes release of chemcials like aCh which are neurotransmitters....

Anyway... Factors

Dose
Potency of each pyschoactive compound
Method of intake
Set and setting (those two cover a lot really)
  Mental state
  Mental health
  Location
  Preparations and ritual
  Physical Health
  State of tiredness
  Goals or expectations
  Stress/trauma/PTSD/fear
  Comfort
  Experience
  Trip sitter/co-trippers
Diet over last 48 hrs
Timing of last food intake
Legal or illegal Drugs over the last week or so (timing depending on the drug)
Tolerance and cross tolerance
MAOI
Poor judge of weight
Vomiting
Individual tolerance
Digestion rate
..... Probably more


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: HarryL]
    #19174719 - 11/22/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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HarryL said:
Now... Not wanting to get all sciencey... Breathing affects a few things In the body
Oxygen level is pretty simple though not important for neurons ... They will get O2 one way or another else you dead... As long as you don't have breathing problems...
pH in blood ... Though it's regulated and buffered
Probably one of the most important is that breathing affects the parasympathetic nervous system. One of the reasons yoga and mediation actually have a real affect on the body. This includes release of chemcials like aCh which are neurotransmitters....

Anyway... Factors

Dose
Potency of each pyschoactive compound
Method of intake
Set and setting (those two cover a lot really)
  Mental state
  Mental health
  Location
  Preparations and ritual
  Physical Health
  State of tiredness
  Goals or expectations
  Stress/trauma/PTSD/fear
  Comfort
  Experience
  Trip sitter/co-trippers
Diet over last 48 hrs
Timing of last food intake
Legal or illegal Drugs over the last week or so (timing depending on the drug)
Tolerance and cross tolerance
MAOI
Poor judge of weight
Vomiting
Individual tolerance
Digestion rate
..... Probably more




+ so much more. It's a subjective experience, it depends on everything and anything.


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19175025 - 11/22/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: Adustus]
    #19175403 - 11/22/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone else have any factors they think are key to an experience but are typically overlooked in the experience community?




In my opinion, THE most important factor is the composition of one's psyche. This is comprised of two components; the personal and the hereditary.
  • The personal component of one's psyche is the experiences of the individual and their resultant impressions which have accumulated to form the 'personality', it is the vast store of memories from a person's lifetime.
  • The hereditary/genetic memory is that which we are born with; the common experiences of our human and animal ancestors which have been relentlessly imprinted into their psyches, and passed down over-and-over, forming the deep psychological channels we call instinct.


The psychedelic trip is a kaleidoscopic insight into the introspector's own mind. A behind-the-scenes tour if you will. Any trip is initially dominated by the personal component but deeper psychedelic states take one into the trans-personal realm of the psyche, where animalistic experiences are common. The self/ego is shown to be superficial and is quickly stripped away, leaving the voyager in an unfamiliar yet SO familiar state of being, which marks the psychedelic experience as the ultimate, self-transcending journey. Here we are ONE, we recognise our origins and our innate connectedness.

YOU are the most important determining factor in your psychedelic experience.


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Re: Determining factors for experiences. [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19175609 - 11/22/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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GreyMorph said:
Everything takes quite a role, literally even the stars take a role. Do we know how or why? No but a certain star aligned with a certain planet could change the outcome of the entire universe.




How or why would astronomical alignment change the universe? The alignment is a product of the universe itself existing. The universe doesn't change, matter just moves around.


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