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Overlay: how to avoid it?
    #1917315 - 09/15/03 03:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Hi,
I really searched hard in the shroomery, I read the FAQs, I used the search engine, but I can't find any avoid-overlay tek, or advice.
Can you help me?
Do you have Anno-magic-link to give me?

Thank you in advance
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Re: Overlay: how to avoid it? [Re: michaz]
    #1917319 - 09/15/03 03:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You have to induce pinning by changing evironment conditions (light, humidity, temperature, air exchanges) before the casing becomes over colonized.


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Re: Overlay: how to avoid it? [Re: zeronio]
    #1917385 - 09/15/03 05:00 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You could go 'direct-to-the-fruiting-chamber' and avoid it.

The downside is that the flush will probably be uneven and lacking in profile fill. The upside is you can rehydrate the casing after the flush and still pick up on the swing on the "over-all yield".

I have read that many claim successive flushes are more potent, so successive flushes (which can be bigger in 'direct-to-the-fruit-chamber' than their 1st flush) could be of merit over incubation of trays.

Though this would pend your substrate/casing construction (i.e. a sub-base of inert casing media in addition to the top casing layer to beef the "rez effect") coupled with your methodology of rehydration i.e. submersion of case under water between flushes.


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Re: Overlay: how to avoid it? [Re: Tremor1127]
    #1917413 - 09/15/03 05:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The only time I've ever seen over lay was when I added lime to my casings, that made it dense and clay like. Mycelium refused to move up through the casing layer and simply spewed in overlay fashion on the peripheral. I'll never bother with lime again, load of shite.

Tremor1127, how long are you leaving your covered cases in an incubator? My thoughts on that would be 3 days tops. It will still rumble along sweet if put 'direct-to-the-fruiting-chamber'.

Here's some pics to give an idea on covering and incubation.

Here I mixed colonised wbs to sterilized vermiculite (a rip-off of the PF tek in media methodology) to increase the "rez effect" and instead of casing it straight away, I wanted to watch the sucker "mend" in the incubator as be fucked if I knew (at the time) if it would work.



24 hrs later, you can see it's "grabbed" onto the vermiculite.



Then I cased it 60/40, foil covered it and incubated it for 2 days. Patched it too to get a 15% mycelium "break-through" on the casing. Some shots as it went from hyphal knot to pin to fruit.











It's clear to me that the mycelium moves fast under incubation conditions, not only did it mend to a substrate additive (moist vermiculite) to the wbs and did so in 24hrs, it took on the casing layer with patching to a 15% approx. coverage in 48hrs. Sum time, 3 days. Then to the fruit chamber. IMO, extended stays for covered trays in an incubation chamber are more harm than good.


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    #1917419 - 09/15/03 05:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I reckon you'll be fine. Overlay you won't fail to see, it's thick, hard and white. I doubt you'll get that with what you've done.


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    #1917579 - 09/15/03 09:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

hey starter, what is your fruit chamber setup?
thanks, ar393


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Re: Overlay: how to avoid it? [Re: ar393]
    #1917597 - 09/15/03 09:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

ar393, last post on this thread page has the fruit chamber
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...part=2&vc=1


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