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anne halonium
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
#19171819 - 11/21/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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odds are, well see a ban, before we see you as a competant mycologist.
while your at it, ban nota for misinfo. BRF, most certainly contains endospores.
fact is, this guy wants to learn to grow. tell him how to grow right. dont just lower the bar till he can hack his way thru.
these noobs seem thankful now, but after they spend a few hundred on a trich buckets, and a few months time, i dont see them singing your praises. they get the joke, and then move on to adult methods.
your almost there cronic ya had me fooled till the no PC thread. im holding out hope for ya.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
#19171886 - 11/21/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it can kill whatever is in the jars for the PF tek, so in theory it should be able to kill the same things on whole grains.
Incorrect theory.
Grains such as rye harbor bacterial endospores that can survive many hours at 212F/100C. Brown rice does not. That's why we use pressure cookers for whole grains. Noobs will just have to stick to brf tek or pony up the dough for a pressure cooker if they want success more than a tiny fraction of the time. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10394962#10394962
Key word.. whole grains. If you grind into a powder it will work
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anne halonium
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[b it will work
until you realize you spent $60 on electric or gas, plus jar cost, your FC, and whatever other stuff...........
and then it dawns on ya ya got .68 oz dry , total cost 191.26, in a little less than 4 months.
at wich point, a friend calls, and says he knows someone who has the really good ones, at half the price, and ya shoulda asked him.
peeps the key is with PF tek and PC, is the ground up and loose texture in small containers. it simply allows for better steam penetration. wich means, a good long hard boil , and ya stand a chance.
valid strategy for gamblers. not really a good strategy for the serious.
peeps always say this stuff is good for beginners. i never understood where teaching a beginner short cutting, was any help to anyone over the long term.
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Ara16w
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Hey now, I can grow with a PC just fine. Washing the slime and dirt off the grains, getting the moisture content right, and using clean syringes makes it hard to fuck up. It's the lack of PC that makes it challenging.
nn-IlliniSpiralDMT, if that were correct it would seem like more people would be using powdered WBS to fit more of it into jars. I'll look into it for shits 'n' giggles though.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19171952 - 11/21/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can powder it and put it into jars but it will be a mass of sticky goop, which is y there's verm in the pf tek
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anne halonium
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19171965 - 11/21/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ara16w said: Washing the slime and dirt off the grains, getting the moisture content right, and using clean syringes makes it hard to fuck up. It's the lack of PC that makes it challenging. .
they are so cute arent they. its all about the challenge.
anyone who has a PC, its a slam dunk obviously.
isnt that an argument to USE A PC????????????????.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
#19171972 - 11/21/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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there's plenty of arguements to use a pc, if you have one or can get one do it! faster more promising sterile times, and a bad ass way to cook a roast
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Ara16w
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
#19171986 - 11/21/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just used whole grain and it didn't turn into a goopy mess. There's very little in the way of clumping and I have practically no experiencing cooking rice. The next time I do it I'm going to undercook it a little so the grain is easier to work with. There were multiple fuck ups in the cooking process but I knew better than to put water-logged rice into a jar and hope for the best.
I squeezed that shit like a sponge and refluffed it with a fork lol, worked though.
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anne halonium
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
#19171998 - 11/21/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anyone who cooked human food in my PC.............
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
#19172008 - 11/21/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Based on a cost per hour I'd rather have a pressure cooker run for an hour and a half vs run a steam bath for 3 hours. No matter what the fuel source.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
#19172011 - 11/21/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ara16w said: Washing the slime and dirt off the grains, getting the moisture content right, and using clean syringes makes it hard to fuck up. It's the lack of PC that makes it challenging. .
they are so cute arent they. its all about the challenge.
anyone who has a PC, its a slam dunk obviously.
isnt that an argument to USE A PC????????????????.
It's not about the challenge, it's about a decent PC costing at least $60 which I don't have. I spent $20 on a Philippe-Richard piece of shit and I'm happily taking back so that I won't have a PC. I'd be better off spending that $20 on rice. Odds are good with steaming I can still get 30% success rate in a worst case scenario and that still blows the PF tek colonization times away.
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Ara16w
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ForgottenFreshness said: Based on a cost per hour I'd rather have a pressure cooker run for an hour and a half vs run a steam bath for 3 hours. No matter what the fuel source.
I went 90 minutes with the steam route and used less energy than I would have with the PC.
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anne halonium
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ForgottenFreshness said: Based on a cost per hour I'd rather have a pressure cooker run for an hour and a half vs run a steam bath for 3 hours. No matter what the fuel source.
its really that simple.
im not suggesting peeps need a 20k lab to sterilize something. they dont.
ive seen cookers for around 40$. its a rudimentary kitchen tool. peeps act like im telling em to buy a mercedes.
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PF jars are denser and contain more water than grain jars so they transfer heat better. 212F requires more time to have the same effect as 250F but the 'cold spot. in PF jars reach that temperature earlier. The bacteria that do survive are not a problem as they grow slowly at room temperature or require an anaerobic environment to grow.
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If it can kill whatever is in the jars for the PF tek, so in theory it should be able to kill the same things on whole grains.
Incorrect theory.
Grains such as rye harbor bacterial endospores that can survive many hours at 212F/100C. Brown rice does not. That's why we use pressure cookers for whole grains. Noobs will just have to stick to brf tek or pony up the dough for a pressure cooker if they want success more than a tiny fraction of the time. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10394962#10394962
Key word.. whole grains. If you grind into a powder it will work
No. Key words are 212F/100C, endospores, and surviving several hours. Grinding up rye does not get rid of the endospores. You have to heat them for a long time and/or at a higher temperature.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19172102 - 11/21/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just because u can scim by doesnt mean you should.. youd be better off placing the effort into getting a better job so you have 60$ or saving 60$ instead of buying materials for a sub par result even if u sold the shrooms from the 3 4 5 whatever cakes we are talking cakes..... your not gunna be rolling in the doe. and if u just want to trip and you have 20$.. well theres an easier way. dont understand why it has been peoples goal lately to do badly..
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anne halonium
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: justarandom]
#19172120 - 11/21/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cuz its a race to the bottom, and no one ever wins, they just think they can, and noob growers stoke the fantasy.
were working, to turn that around.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: justarandom]
#19172129 - 11/21/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's Kurt Cobain's fault.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: justarandom]
#19172371 - 11/21/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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justarandom said: Just because u can scim by doesnt mean you should.. youd be better off placing the effort into getting a better job so you have 60$ or saving 60$ instead of buying materials for a sub par result even if u sold the shrooms from the 3 4 5 whatever cakes we are talking cakes..... your not gunna be rolling in the doe. and if u just want to trip and you have 20$.. well theres an easier way. dont understand why it has been peoples goal lately to do badly..
Wage slavery you say? Poppycock!
If it works, it works. The three people I found steam sterilizing whole rice were having around 100% success rates. Only being able to find 3 references to it and there being very little talk of whole grain rice was the point of the thread. As I said before, I've been here for years and it wasn't until a few weeks ago that I had even heard of doing whole grain rice. I assumed it required a PC but I was misinformed.
Even then, there's other ways of growing shrooms without a PC. A few people were having great success by soaking their grains in Sunlight Antibacterial dish soap. I searched for that soap for weeks before I gave up on that route lol. It had a rare main ingredient, salicylic acid rather than the harmful triclosan.
No one would know jack shit unless someone was stupid enough to try
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19172401 - 11/21/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ara16w said: No one would know jack shit unless someone was stupid enough to try 
i agree with this but isnt that the place for some1 established? who can fail? that a failure is not going to affect, dude has 20$?
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