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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: 4runner] * 1
    #19172989 - 11/21/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: 4runner]
    #19173576 - 11/22/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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anunnakian said:


No, we don't. What is being implemented in Vancouver affects private dwellings. What we have in the states affects public buildings.




So you're saying there are no building codes that apply to private dwellings here in the U.S.?  I don't think I agree with that.


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Patlal]
    #19173646 - 11/22/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Doorknobs in Vancouver are set to become a relic of the past after city council recently ushered in Canada’s first adaptable housing bylaw.

As of early 2014, all new housing units built in Vancouver will require a slew of new accessibility features, including wider stairways, higher outlets and a main-floor bathroom.

But the change receiving the most attention is the banishment of doorknobs, in favour of easier-to-turn lever handles.

Some have decried the loss of doorknobs as excessive and unnecessary, but according to one Toronto-based locksmith, the handles have been on their way out the door, both in Canada and the U.S., for some time.

“A lot of the manufacturers have stopped making doorknobs because they knew this was coming,” says Jason Scheide, owner of Spadina Security.

While the slow extinction of doorknobs is throwing the industry “a curveball,” Scheide said, levers are a more sensible option for those with limited strength and movement. He points to people in wheelchairs, sufferers of arthritis -- even a person returning home with groceries.

He’s been recommending levers to clients for the past five years.

One drawback, however, is the possible extra costs such a ban will bring. Since levers require an extra spring, they tend to be at least $20 more expensive than a doorknob of similar quality, Scheide said.

“That might change, but right now in the market, levers are more expensive,” he said.

In terms of decorative value, Scheide said levers are the way to go anyway.

“Doorknobs are usually dated and ugly and we’re happy to change them,” Scheide said.

Scheide wouldn’t say which handle is easier for burglars, but noted these days, locksmiths usually recommend a deadbolt as an added layer of protection.

Jill Weiss, chair of Vancouver’s Persons with Disabilities Advisory Committee, said costs in general are not expected to be significant for new housing units. She dismissed talk about the doorknob debate, saying she has not heard any opposition from anyone regarding the new law, including Vancouver builders.

“It’s very important because in the lifetime of a house, almost 100 per cent of houses will have someone that needs these features so it makes real sense and it’s very inexpensive to do a construction,” Weiss told CTV News Channel on Thursday.

In addition to lever handles, requirements under the new Vancouver bylaw include:
Wider hallways and doorways
Lower light switches
Reinforcements in bathroom walls
Barrier-free shower
Lower wastepipes under sinks
Higher outlets
Main floor bathroom
Wider stairways for possible installation of a stair lift


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/no-doorknobs-allowed-in-new-vancouver-homes-after-city-passes-bylaw-1.1554665#ixzz2lKkIXy7T





Flathead screws should be eliminated too. Piece of shit screws



And thus ends an entire genera of porn :rip:


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19173828 - 11/22/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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pcplease said:
Phillips and allen head screws strip way too easily.
Flatheads > all'

I like levers more than doorknobs :blush: but the doorknobs are more aesthetically pleasing.



What??  The surface area on allen keys is huge compared to a flathead.  If you're not a moron it's very difficult to strip an allen key.



Yep you generally have to be doing something wrong to strip them. Mixing up inch and metric types or otherwise using too small of a key is probably one of the more common ways to do this.


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19173854 - 11/22/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:

He’s been recommending levers to clients for the past five years.





:facepalm:
i stopped reading OP after this line
how can i take this man seriously if he's only been recommending levers for five years? he's still a n00b in the lever world


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19173869 - 11/22/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Wider hallways and doorways




For wider people!


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Quawonk]
    #19173871 - 11/22/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

too much poutine :rofldrunk:


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: broken]
    #19173888 - 11/22/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is pretty much the same as in the US for any apartment complexes or any public buildings....it is for handicapped people and has been around since the late 80's...called ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) The only time you hear about it is when some poor handicapped person has to sue the Owner so they can get into the building....otherwise, it is not very strictly enforced.


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #19174064 - 11/22/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why not sliding doors?

Why lever handles?

Damn yuppies invading our business ethic!


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Konyap]
    #19174094 - 11/22/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've worked as a door/door hardware installer/locksmith, albeit in the commercial/government sector. And I can say that 99% of these institutions all use levers over knobs. I'd like to see more levers in residential.

In general a lever is a superior product. Although not as secure if the door doesnt have a deadbolt(which exterior doors should), as the handle is much easier to bash and break the internals, allowing access.

As well, in commercial door hardware, 100% of the screws are phillips. A quality screw and a quality bit, and it is very hard to strip. Most people who strip phillips have poor technique that results in them being stripped. Or they are using a garbage cheapo bit where the sides round off easily, resulting in higher chance of stripping.


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Konyap]
    #19174096 - 11/22/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
Why not sliding doors?

Why lever handles?

Damn yuppies invading our business ethic!




Probably because if you were in a wheel chair, operating a sliding door would be difficult.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: badchad]
    #19174107 - 11/22/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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badchad said:
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Illyabo said:
Why not sliding doors?

Why lever handles?

Damn yuppies invading our business ethic!




Probably because if you were in a wheel chair, operating a sliding door would be difficult.



Why not these?


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: badchad]
    #19174113 - 11/22/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So they did this to all the homes just in case a handicap guy shows up?


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: lowbrow]
    #19174125 - 11/22/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yea, you can't even take a bath anymore lol


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: lowbrow]
    #19174133 - 11/22/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes.  The same way stores in the U.S. have to have handicap places just in case a handicap guy "shows up".

You'd need to look into the specifics of the law to determine when and how these requirements are needed and how they apply to private vs. public buildings, residences etc.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Konyap]
    #19174141 - 11/22/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Its kind of sad. Soon we won't be able to use the term "Dumb as a doorknob"


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Legend]
    #19174257 - 11/22/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That entire list seems a little unnecessary in my opinion.




Of course, it's not for you. It's for old, fat and broken people.


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: Eddeee]
    #19174272 - 11/22/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Eddeee said:
Its kind of sad. Soon we won't be able to use the term "Dumb as a doorknob"



We'll be able to use it more effectively because door knobs will be obsolete.


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #19174275 - 11/22/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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As well, in commercial door hardware, 100% of the screws are phillips. A quality screw and a quality bit, and it is very hard to strip.



Phillips are still horrible technology.  Robertson >>> phillips.  Phillips are simply used because they are American and robertson screws are Canadian so the phillips became more popularized.

More popular != better.


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Re: Doorknobs are now illegal in Vancouver (I'm not trolling). [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19174296 - 11/22/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
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EdibleStereos said:
As well, in commercial door hardware, 100% of the screws are phillips. A quality screw and a quality bit, and it is very hard to strip.



Phillips are still horrible technology.  Robertson >>> phillips.  Phillips are simply used because they are American and robertson screws are Canadian so the phillips became more popularized.

More popular != better.



It does mean more convenient though, because I don't have to hunt down that damn non-philips screwdriver


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