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Ara16w
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Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC?
#19170691 - 11/21/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Long story short, the PC I bought isn't big enough to hold quarts jars (all I could afford) and I made this discovery after cooking some whole grain brown rice. I do have a large canner that doesn't hold pressure so I loaded up the jars with the rice and am currently steaming them for 90 minutes.
If one can get away without using a PC for the PF tek, is it not feasible that whole grains should also work?
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19170711 - 11/21/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ara16w said: If one can get away without using a PC for the PF tek, is it not feasible that whole grains should also work?
Only if steamed for about 8 hours.....otherwise grains require a PC.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#19170758 - 11/21/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So what's the difference? What makes ground brown rice so magical?
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19170766 - 11/21/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No endospores.....
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19170771 - 11/21/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the PC I bought isn't big enough to hold quarts jars
Pint jars will work just fine as well.
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Unfortunately, I bought a dozen wide mouth quart jars for this. Most of the jars I have are quarts. All but a few of my pints are currently holding LC.
I already decided to take the PC back. Small or not, the design is a complete piece of shit. I took the thing apart per the directions to clean it before use and I couldn't even get one of the parts back on. It's a vent strainer cap that has a nut loosely rolling around behind some other metal piece that holds the nut in place. It's impossible to screw that nut back onto the lid without some alien technology. Can't fucking line it up. All I managed to accomplish was powderizing the aluminum by turning it trying to get that vent strainer back on. Without that piece, it lets a ridiculous amount of steam out of the vent and there's a high chance the PC would run dry before I could get anything sterile.
All that fuss about the necessity of a PC for that... I miss bird seed
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#19170883 - 11/21/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: No endospores.....
So grinding it up and steaming for 90 minutes somehow kills all endospores whilst cooking the rice and then steaming it allows them to live? Seems like the twice cooked rice ought to have the edge..
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19170940 - 11/21/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8775343#8775343
QuantumReality claims it works and he's eaten the sun before so I have no reason to doubt him.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19170942 - 11/21/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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idk if it's really about the endo spores. For some reason when grains are grinded into a flour they don't need to be pressure cooked
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Sagescruffy]
#19170982 - 11/21/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Sagescruffy]
#19171051 - 11/21/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sagescruffy said: idk if it's really about the endo spores. For some reason when grains are grinded into a flour they don't need to be pressure cooked 
Now I know that's not true with WBS flour. I learnt that the hard way.
Did anyone catch the name of the fairy that sold you guys your grinders and blenders? I want an endospore annihilating grinder too 
Seriously though, there ought to be some scientific explanation as to what the difference is if there is one.
EDIT: There's one thing I'm certain of in all of this. As long as I have a clean LC, some of these jars are going to make it. I made whole WBS work with steaming when I first started. Obviously it didn't work well, but it did give me my first mushroom trip. Think I was banging out 20% success rates with aluminum foil lids and cotton balls for GE.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19171072 - 11/21/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ara16w said: Seriously though, there ought to be some scientific explanation as to what the difference is if there is one.
I would use the search function to explain it, but I am tired, and you guys can do the same thing......
This is not the first time this has been asked and we all know it.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#19171157 - 11/21/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the flour is penetrated much easier then a grain
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
#19171421 - 11/21/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17601550#17601550
justncyn claims success too.
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justncyn said: yes i steam sterilize, i dont have a pc. The WBR works so well imo that i will never go back to brf. When my cakes are ready i grate them and use as spawn to H-poo in a monotub.
One thing this has going for it is that there isn't a large number of failures. I've been on shroomery for several years, spent countless hours reading, and I didn't even know whole brown rice was an option until a few weeks ago. Very few people seem to do it. If this pans out (steam sterilization) then it's got the PF tek beat.
My results won't be very thorough for a while. I've got 8 LC's to try in order to find a clean one and then I'll probably have to give this another go since I can't find a cheap PC.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: Ara16w]
#19171437 - 11/21/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yepp wbr can be steamed, as hacker said they don't havve the endospores like other graiins
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: cronicr]
#19171526 - 11/21/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah, then I misread. Should have clarified that there was no other whole grain intended other than brown rice. All the same, this doesn't seem to be common knowledge among cultivators and should be helpful.
Whole brown rice does not require a pressure cooker.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15688602#15688602
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BargainBab said: I've done it multiple times with steam sterilization, all but the first went swimmingly I've done it using grain style and pf style jars with a verm barrier, with just rice and also rice in verm.
I recommend cooking them for just a little less than the instructions say, with a little less water. This gives them enough rigidity that they won't slime up. The pf style jars proved for me to be the best at retaining moisture.
If you have trouble keeping your moisture up you can mix verm with the rice, just like a regular pf jar.
The biggest thing you'll run into is yeast, which can be deterred by acidifying the rice a bit, which the mushrooms prefer and other contams hate anyway.
Hope that's helpful I'll follow that grow for sure.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#19171758 - 11/21/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: No endospores.....
of course it has endospores............. pure bullshit to suggest otherwise. the verm has endospores also.
you need a PC for any serious grow. a few yrs back, some noobs found out SOMETIMES, that pF tek will work if ya boil enough. this kind of hackery, has plagued the community for yrs
its bad practice, and the grows rarely amount to much.
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
#19171786 - 11/21/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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annother example ofg your horrible ways and opinions, i see a perma ban in the near future
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Re: Why Doesn't The PF Tek Require A PC? [Re: anne halonium]
#19171805 - 11/21/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said:
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Notahacker420 said: No endospores.....
of course it has endospores............. pure bullshit to suggest otherwise. the verm has endospores also.
you need a PC for any serious grow. a few yrs back, some noobs found out SOMETIMES, that pF tek will work if ya boil enough. this kind of hackery, has plagued the community for yrs
its bad practice, and the grows rarely amount to much.
PF tek works fine with just steaming jars, I have done 100s of cakes with no problems. Pf cakes are the easiest and most efficient way of growing.
If you grind up your rye or wheat berries you won't need a PC. I don't know why, but something tells me it has to do with the surface area of the grain versus powdered up and grinded.
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If it can kill whatever is in the jars for the PF tek, so in theory it should be able to kill the same things on whole grains.
Incorrect theory.
Grains such as rye harbor bacterial endospores that can survive many hours at 212F/100C. Brown rice does not. That's why we use pressure cookers for whole grains. Noobs will just have to stick to brf tek or pony up the dough for a pressure cooker if they want success more than a tiny fraction of the time. RR
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