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Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor * 4
    #19171039 - 11/21/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So the story is, this woman who is a victim of domestic violence was kidnapped by her baby daddy and held hostage for 3 days. During those 3 days she was chained and held prisoner, starved, denied water, beaten, stabbed with a knife and other sharp objects, and tortured repeatedly throughout the nights and the days.

The family called the police after hearing a tip of an abandoned house that she was being held prisoner at, and the police had failed to take immediate action and failed to find her even after this tip. (WTF police??) So the family went to the house, heard screams coming in from inside, and broke down the door. A struggle and fight ensued, and one of the family members (I believe the uncle) shot the assailant dead inside the home.

One case of the 2nd amendment and a justified killing done right. :yesnod: I'm glad these people will not be charged for the murder of this guy, based on the circumstances that somebody's life was in danger.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-kidnapped-louisiana-woman-kills-abductor-daring-rescue/story?id=20839241


Here's a photo of the rescue taking place. Her body was literally drained of so much blood you can see how WHITE her legs got:




I feel like this guy died too soon, and he should have been tortured a little first before being shot. :bored:


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171063 - 11/21/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

wow.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19171076 - 11/21/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oh wow


That's badass.  I will go vigilante mode if a family member of mine is in harm.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19171085 - 11/21/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The police are worthless fucks sometimes. I'm glad they got her back before that sick fuck could torture her more or worse. No need to torture him, the fact that he ate a bullet is justice enough. Sinking

That photo is so touching too, it just drips emotion.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: setb] * 1
    #19171101 - 11/21/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm glad she had a badass family. Many families would have just been bitching with the police the entire time.

Always good when a kidnap victim is returned alive, although this will change her forever.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: dontknow]
    #19171116 - 11/21/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

One of the huge problems is that police do not take stalking and domestic violence cases seriously. Usually no arrests will be made, they MIGHT issue a citation, and at most the aggressor will get probation even if he goes to court. Stalking, death threats, etc. are never taken seriously until something happens and it's already too late.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171121 - 11/21/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm glad they got her out, and the kidnapper got what was coming to him...

Still, she probably deserved it.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] * 4
    #19171129 - 11/21/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Still, she probably deserved it.




Too obvious of a troll. Not even going to go there. :smirk:


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: dontknow]
    #19171130 - 11/21/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's a good thing her family was black.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171145 - 11/21/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Still, she probably deserved it.




Too obvious of a troll. Not even going to go there. :smirk:




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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19171175 - 11/21/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can only imagine how she must have felt when the door broke down and she could hear her family coming to get here, what would one want to hear more?


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171182 - 11/21/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

By no means do I condone or support vigilantism but this is one case in which I'm glad the vigilantism in question saved the woman in danger.


I have to wonder though - if they had the guy caught red-handed, surrounded, wouldn't their killing him have been a cold-blooded execution, not a justified killing?


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19171184 - 11/21/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Can only imagine how she must have felt when the door broke down and she could hear her family coming to get here, what would one want to hear more?




Honestly, she was probably so out of it from being so drained of blood and being denied water and food for 3 days, she might have barely realized what was going on. Her emotions might have been really weak too because of it.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171187 - 11/21/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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One of the huge problems is that police do not take stalking and domestic violence cases seriously. Usually no arrests will be made, they MIGHT issue a citation, and at most the aggressor will get probation even if he goes to court. Stalking, death threats, etc. are never taken seriously until something happens and it's already too late.




There are many murders that are domestic in nature and could have been prevented. I am glad this isn't one of them.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Synthe]
    #19171198 - 11/21/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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By no means do I condone or support vigilantism but this is one case in which I'm glad the vigilantism in question saved the woman in danger.


I have to wonder though - if they had the guy caught red-handed, surrounded, wouldn't their killing him have been a cold-blooded execution, not a justified killing?




In this case no, because according to reports, the assailant began stabbing her with a knife when the victim's family broke down and entered the home. In the state of Louisiana, defense with a firearm is justified to stop imminent bodily harm that is occurring. The victim was already near the verge of death and seconds and minutes matter in this case, so I think this is why nobody is getting charged in this guy's murder.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171202 - 11/21/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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By no means do I condone or support vigilantism but this is one case in which I'm glad the vigilantism in question saved the woman in danger.





"Vigilantism" is such a dirty word. I, for one, don't condone or support "professional" police.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19171211 - 11/21/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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so I think this is why nobody is getting charged in this guy's murder.





Kinda splitting hairs but murder is a legal term. This is a justifiable homicide, a very justifiable homicide.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: setb]
    #19171219 - 11/21/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"Vigilantism" is such a dirty word. I, for one, don't condone or support "professional" police.




In our society I do, in an ideal society (relatively small population) I don't.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Repertoire89] * 3
    #19171221 - 11/21/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm glad they got her out, and the kidnapper got what was coming to him...

Still, she probably deserved it.

Mod edit: Member warned for this post. No trolling or baiting in the Pub.



Bullshit.  There is no trolling in this post, and if you weren't such a piss-poor mod with a serious bias against me, you'd see that.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171231 - 11/21/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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according to reports, the assailant began stabbing her with a knife when the victim's family broke down and entered the home. In the state of Louisiana, defense with a firearm is justified to stop imminent bodily harm that is occurring. The victim was already near the verge of death and seconds and minutes matter in this case




Damn that probably sucked big time


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #19171233 - 11/21/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Enlil said:
I'm glad they got her out, and the kidnapper got what was coming to him...

Still, she probably deserved it.

Mod edit: Member warned for this post. No trolling or baiting in the Pub.



Bullshit.  There is no trolling in this post, and if you weren't such a piss-poor mod with a serious bias against me, you'd see that.




You have a serious history of trolling every single one of my threads. This warning was justified, and has come after a long series of trolling by you.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19171255 - 11/21/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

False.  I believe everyone gets what they deserve over the long run.  You can disagree, and the shitty mod can disagree, but that doesn't make it trolling.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171272 - 11/21/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Looking at her family its probably a safe bet shes not "completely" innocent.:thisfuckinguy:


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: billy jowl] * 4
    #19171292 - 11/21/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Looking at her family its probably a safe bet shes not "completely" innocent.:thisfuckinguy:



You're not entitled to that opinion...Tymoteusz3 will warn you for trolling.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19171336 - 11/21/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

[mod edit: not appropriate]


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: billy jowl]
    #19171348 - 11/21/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No good, man.



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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Set] * 1
    #19171435 - 11/21/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

shame on people assuming she had it coming or that her family are criminals because they happen to be black.

the picture is unbelievable, I wasn't aware blood loss could change skin color so much, glad she's ok because nobody deserves to be abducted and tortured, unless you're the guy who abducted her and tortured her.

Vigilantism ftw. I know I'd kill if someone hurt my family like that. Especially when you can't count on the police to do their FUCKING JOB. Serve and protect my ass.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19171503 - 11/21/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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she probably deserved it.




go on..


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: billy jowl]
    #19171598 - 11/21/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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[mod edit: not appropriate]



See...tymoteus strikes again.

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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Bologna]
    #19171607 - 11/21/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Bologna said:
Quote:

Enlil said:

she probably deserved it.




go on..



I believe that the world balances out shit like this.  She might not have deserved it for any single act, but overall, the world pays you back for shit you put out there, and I'm confident that she either has in the past, or will in the future, done/do something that earns/earned her this terrible treatment.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19171637 - 11/21/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Enlil said:
Quote:

Bologna said:
Quote:

Enlil said:

she probably deserved it.




go on..



I believe that the world balances out shit like this.  She might not have deserved it for any single act, but overall, the world pays you back for shit you put out there, and I'm confident that she either has in the past, or will in the future, done/do something that earns/earned her this terrible treatment.




Irony.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19171671 - 11/21/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So when little children and animals get murdered and abused, it was certainly an act of karma. They must have done something terrible in the womb or in a past life. :lol:


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19171687 - 11/21/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree.  It's amazing how much we have been agreeing lately.

Except for the animals...they don't have karma.



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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19171706 - 11/21/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Enlil said:
Quote:

Bologna said:
Quote:

Enlil said:

she probably deserved it.




go on..



I believe that the world balances out shit like this.  She might not have deserved it for any single act, but overall, the world pays you back for shit you put out there, and I'm confident that she either has in the past, or will in the future, done/do something that earns/earned her this terrible treatment.




:woah:

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    #19171721 - 11/21/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have powerful legs, bro.


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    #19171725 - 11/21/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have powerful legs, bro.




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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Niffla]
    #19171746 - 11/21/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

wow the world crazy:sad:


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19171753 - 11/21/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Irony.



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So when little children and animals get murdered and abused, it was certainly an act of karma. They must have done something terrible in the womb or in a past life. :lol:



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I agree.  It's amazing how much we have been agreeing lately.

Except for the animals...they don't have karma.




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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19171761 - 11/21/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have powerful legs, bro.



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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #19171769 - 11/21/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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False.  I believe everyone gets what they deserve over the long run.  You can disagree, and the shitty mod can disagree, but that doesn't make it trolling.



No it doesn't make it trolling.  Posting that kind of relentless stupidity is not trolling.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: mushroom_sandwich]
    #19171777 - 11/21/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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shame on people assuming she had it coming or that her family are criminals because they happen to be black.

the picture is unbelievable, I wasn't aware blood loss could change skin color so much, glad she's ok because nobody deserves to be abducted and tortured, unless you're the guy who abducted her and tortured her.

Vigilantism ftw. I know I'd kill if someone hurt my family like that. Especially when you can't count on the police to do their FUCKING JOB. Serve and protect my ass.




Oh yeah man, she was on death's door. I am so glad she had family that gave a shit. She could have so easily become yet another statistic.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] * 8
    #19171787 - 11/21/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
Quote:

Bologna said:
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Enlil said:

she probably deserved it.




go on..



I believe that the world balances out shit like this. 




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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #19171798 - 11/21/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Enlil said:
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Enlil said:

she probably deserved it.




go on..



I believe that the world balances out shit like this. 




This is borderline delusional



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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19171799 - 11/21/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My family would have done the same.. I can't even imagine being in this situation, but anything involving family I'd die for.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19171821 - 11/21/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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she probably deserved it.




go on..



I believe that the world balances out shit like this. 




This is borderline delusional



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    #19171832 - 11/21/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't die for it but I sure as shit would be willing to kill for it and damn the law consequences.  Sometimes we need to kick the stupid "it all evens out in the end" shyster idiots to the curb and deal with reality like men


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    #19171903 - 11/21/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wouldn't die for it but I sure as shit would be willing to kill for it and damn the law consequences.  Sometimes we need to kick the stupid "it all evens out in the end" shyster idiots to the curb and deal with reality like men




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    #19171927 - 11/21/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19172244 - 11/21/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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she probably deserved it.




go on..



I believe that the world balances out shit like this. 




Um no. This is akin to people saying that tragedies such as war and hurricanes are the work of god. People don't get tortured, abused, and murdered because of some mystical force of the universe or the nature gods. Torture, abuse, and murder exists because people make the conscientious CHOICE, they CHOOSE to torture, abuse, and murder others. If we  CHOOSE not to carry out these actions then they wouldn't exist in the first place. Blaming karma for actions that can be controlled really fails to account for personal responsibility. There is no "destiny" in this life, people have a choice to do bad things.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G] * 5
    #19172377 - 11/21/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder what the Gun Control Loons will think about this one? 

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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19172405 - 11/21/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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she probably deserved it.




go on..



I believe that the world balances out shit like this.  She might not have deserved it for any single act, but overall, the world pays you back for shit you put out there, and I'm confident that she either has in the past, or will in the future, done/do something that earns/earned her this terrible treatment.






And here I was thinking you were a logical person, but it appears you have tossed all logic out the window . . .

What evidence do you have that makes you so confident on this theory



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Except for the animals...they don't have karma.







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The concept of samsara is closely associated with the belief that one continues to be born and reborn in various realms in the form of a human, animal, or other being (depending on karma). Jainism maintains that one who accrues a significant amount of bad karma can also be reborn as a plant or even as a rock,


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: LiquidGlass] * 5
    #19172442 - 11/21/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

For being an attorney he makes many assumptions which have no evidence based upon them whatsoever.


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For being an attorney he makes many assumptions which have no evidence based upon them whatsoever.




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    #19172480 - 11/21/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If karma worked, then persons such as T. Cullen Davis would be rotting in prison right now on death row, or he would have lived the rest of life homeless and getting assaulted and raped all along the way. Every single murderer and serial killer and serial rapist would have been caught, or died some horrible death, or would have lived some horrible life after what they did.


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    #19172506 - 11/21/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not to mention all of the politicians that are robbing us blind every day. Where is their karma?


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    #19172518 - 11/21/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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For being an attorney he makes many assumptions which have no evidence based upon them whatsoever.



This has nothing to do with being an attorney, and I prefaced what I said with "I believe."  In my life, I have been an observer of reality for several decades, and my belief has been formed by watching the way in which the world repays people for their deeds.

Anyone is free to disagree.  I don't have a problem with you disagreeing.

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    #19172572 - 11/21/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Enlil is right.  What goes around, comes around


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    #19172578 - 11/21/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
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Anyone is free to disagree.  I don't have a problem with you disagreeing.

I only have a problem with shitty mods punishing me because they disagree.




I have observed similar things, but that was not what you were indicating when you said "She deserved it." When people say "she deserved it," they are implying that she had done something allegedly to her aggressor, something that provoked her aggressor to lose his temper and go to that level of abducting her and torturing her.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: mantis90]
    #19172584 - 11/21/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i dunno, did the lady capture the guy once, and toture him for a few days ever?


no?


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    #19172633 - 11/21/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have observed similar things, but that was not what you were indicating when you said "She deserved it." When people say "she deserved it," they are implying that she had done something allegedly to her aggressor, something that provoked her aggressor to lose his temper and go to that level of abducting her and torturing her.



Not at all.  I made it very clear that I suspected that somewhere along the way, she either has done something or will do something that earns her a three day beating.  It has nothing to do with her aggressor.  I doubt very much that he was right in what he did, and I indicated as much when I said that he got what was coming to him.


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    #19172660 - 11/21/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have observed similar things, but that was not what you were indicating when you said "She deserved it." When people say "she deserved it," they are implying that she had done something allegedly to her aggressor, something that provoked her aggressor to lose his temper and go to that level of abducting her and torturing her.



Not at all.  I made it very clear that I suspected that somewhere along the way, she either has done something or will do something that earns her a three day beating.  It has nothing to do with her aggressor.  I doubt very much that he was right in what he did, and I indicated as much when I said that he got what was coming to him.




"or will do something that earns her a three day beating."

That's pretty crazy thinking, why would you assume a person who never harmed anyone in their entire life will eventually act out so immorally in the future?

Some people live decent moral lifes without harming others, why is that so difficult to believe?


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: qman]
    #19172937 - 11/21/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What could she possibly do to deserve three days of torture, other than her abusing and torturing or killing somebody herself? This wasn't a mere ass whooping. It was three DAYS of excruciating, close-to-death TORTURE that only a prisoner of war would experience.

What could somebody possibly do, other than killing or torturing somebody themselves, to warrant that kind of behavior? Even ripping somebody off of their entire life savings or "gently" molesting somebody doesn't warrant that kind of torture. A beautiful ass-whooping, maybe. Three days of torture, no.


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"or will do something that earns her a three day beating."

That's pretty crazy thinking, why would you assume a person who never harmed anyone in their entire life will eventually act out so immorally in the future?

Some people live decent moral lifes without harming others, why is that so difficult to believe?



You believe that there are adults who have "never harmed anyone in their entire life"?  I think that is naïve beyond words.


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"or will do something that earns her a three day beating."

That's pretty crazy thinking, why would you assume a person who never harmed anyone in their entire life will eventually act out so immorally in the future?

Some people live decent moral lifes without harming others, why is that so difficult to believe?



You believe that there are adults who have "never harmed anyone in their entire life"?  I think that is naïve beyond words.




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What could somebody possibly do, other than killing or torturing somebody themselves, to warrant that kind of behavior? Even ripping somebody off of their entire life savings or "gently" molesting somebody doesn't warrant that kind of torture. A beautiful ass-whooping, maybe. Three days of torture, no.



It could be anything or any combination of things.  People harm others all the time and never get caught or punished until they've done it one too many times and get paid back for the whole lot at once.  I never said that every negative act will have an equal and opposite negative reaction...only that it all balances out in the end.


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    #19173721 - 11/22/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"or will do something that earns her a three day beating."

That's pretty crazy thinking, why would you assume a person who never harmed anyone in their entire life will eventually act out so immorally in the future?

Some people live decent moral lifes without harming others, why is that so difficult to believe?



You believe that there are adults who have "never harmed anyone in their entire life"?  I think that is naïve beyond words.



I've never harmed anyone, unless you count that time when I was a kid and I threw a rock at a window, no one got hurt but I assume the window needed to be replaced.


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What could somebody possibly do, other than killing or torturing somebody themselves, to warrant that kind of behavior? Even ripping somebody off of their entire life savings or "gently" molesting somebody doesn't warrant that kind of torture. A beautiful ass-whooping, maybe. Three days of torture, no.



It could be anything or any combination of things.  People harm others all the time and never get caught or punished until they've done it one too many times and get paid back for the whole lot at once.  I never said that every negative act will have an equal and opposite negative reaction...only that it all balances out in the end.




Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.


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I've never harmed anyone, unless you count that time when I was a kid and I threw a rock at a window, no one got hurt but I assume the window needed to be replaced.



You just keep telling yourself that.  It doesn't make it true.

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Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.



Simplistic, maybe, but it requires no magic.  It really only requires the existence of a currently unknown form of energy that acts as all known energy acts today.  If a person is a "battery" for this energy, then every charge emitted from that battery creates an imbalance in the battery that attracts the opposite charge.


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    #19173783 - 11/22/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've never harmed anyone, unless you count that time when I was a kid and I threw a rock at a window, no one got hurt but I assume the window needed to be replaced.



You just keep telling yourself that.  It doesn't make it true.

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Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.



Simplistic, maybe, but it requires no magic.  It really only requires the existence of a currently unknown form of energy that acts as all known energy acts today.  If a person is a "battery" for this energy, then every charge emitted from that battery creates an imbalance in the battery that attracts the opposite charge.



I suppose you could count the more distant consequences of my actions, I eat turkey I support the massive factory farms. I shop at walmart, I support their unethical business practices. Or I get electricity from a coal burning power plant instead of from a cleaner energy source. :shrug:


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    #19173789 - 11/22/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So, you've never said an unkind, hurtful word to another human being?

I'd be careful, bro...you're likely to be hung on a cross like the last perfect person.


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So, you've never said an unkind, hurtful word to another human being?

I'd be careful, bro...you're likely to be hung on a cross like the last perfect person.



Hurtful word? Sure, but their feelings remain unhurt I don't really count people getting butthurt because I don't believe in the same things they do as harm, but I guess if you count being slightly dissatisfied as harm then harm is absolutely everywhere.


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    #19173800 - 11/22/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I see, so you've never harmed anyone according to your narrow definition of the word...

Life is so much easier when you can just make up definitions for words as you go along.  Kudos, bro.


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    #19173807 - 11/22/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I see, so you've never harmed anyone according to your narrow definition of the word...

Life is so much easier when you can just make up definitions for words as you go along.  Kudos, bro.



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Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.



Simplistic, maybe, but it requires no magic.  It really only requires the existence of a currently unknown form of energy that acts as all known energy acts today.  If a person is a "battery" for this energy, then every charge emitted from that battery creates an imbalance in the battery that attracts the opposite charge.




And how might this mystery energy form influence events to ensure that people settle up their karma bills by the time they die?


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: psi]
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Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.



Simplistic, maybe, but it requires no magic.  It really only requires the existence of a currently unknown form of energy that acts as all known energy acts today.  If a person is a "battery" for this energy, then every charge emitted from that battery creates an imbalance in the battery that attracts the opposite charge.




And how might this mystery energy form influence events to ensure that people settle up their karma bills by the time they die?



And this energy would have to be specific to humans because

"Except for the animals...they don't have karma."


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    #19173949 - 11/22/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And how might this mystery energy form influence events to ensure that people settle up their karma bills by the time they die?



Probably through biological process, much like how a person who is abused often becomes an abuser. 

Of course, I never claimed to have all of the answers.  I made it clear that this is all MY BELIEF based on MY OBSERVATIONS over 4 decades of living on this planet.  I'm not a scientist and don't claim to have empirical proof at all.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19174002 - 11/22/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fair enough I suppose. I mostly just disagree with your premise that things even out in the end. In my experience and reading they often do not, even though "good" acts often seem to increase the chances of good outcomes and vice versa. Sometimes people who have done very little wrong have a lot of bad shit happen to them and then die at a young age. Perhaps they might have gone on to do bad things and even things out later if they had lived longer, but they didn't. It's also possible that their bad experiences would have driven them to do good things.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: psi]
    #19174016 - 11/22/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

See, I don't think anything is absolute.  There are always exceptions to the rule, but by and large, I've seen my hypothesis to hold true in the world.

I also never rule out the possibility that apparent exceptions are really just a lack of information.  There's obviously no way to know everything someone has done. 

I'm also open to the possibility that the phenomenon is more of a tendency than a rule, which is why my original (censored) post said she PROBABLY deserved it.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19174451 - 11/22/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What could somebody possibly do, other than killing or torturing somebody themselves, to warrant that kind of behavior? Even ripping somebody off of their entire life savings or "gently" molesting somebody doesn't warrant that kind of torture. A beautiful ass-whooping, maybe. Three days of torture, no.



It could be anything or any combination of things.  People harm others all the time and never get caught or punished until they've done it one too many times and get paid back for the whole lot at once.  I never said that every negative act will have an equal and opposite negative reaction...only that it all balances out in the end.




So then, if it all balances itself out in the end over generations of time and between societies as a whole, it means that she didnt deserve it like you so claimed. :cuckoo:


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19174457 - 11/22/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You are putting words in my mouth...where did I say "over generations of time and between societies as a whole"?

I'm guessing I didn't, and you just wanted to attribute that to me so that you could tear it apart.  In academia, they call that a "strawman argument."  You should look it up sometime.


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    #19174460 - 11/22/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Rasputin, definitely got what he deserved. :hehehe:


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    #19174463 - 11/22/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We all do.


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    #19174483 - 11/22/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

maybe. maybe not. i see that there is alot of people with more then they deserve. whether it be power, money, ect...


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    #19174496 - 11/22/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't really see power or money as being a part of the equation, though.  Certain people are better suited to compete in those realms, and they will acquire more power, money or both than those that are less suited.


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    #19174510 - 11/22/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oh, money and power are purely aesthetic. :tongue:

so only when i comes to people's anguish or suffering, do they get their comeuppance?

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    #19174516 - 11/22/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't do isms, but okay...

Money and power are social constructs that can change or disappear at any time.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19174555 - 11/22/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You are putting words in my mouth...where did I say "over generations of time and between societies as a whole"?

I'm guessing I didn't, and you just wanted to attribute that to me so that you could tear it apart.  In academia, they call that a "strawman argument."  You should look it up sometime.




I did assume it, based on the "it all works itself out in the end." Well you said yourself things can take years to develop. Which means it can take generations and generations before "it all works itself out" with true justice. It's not like there's a time limit on karmic retribution, if it DOES exist.


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    #19174614 - 11/22/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe in your version of it...not in mine.  Mine is pretty clearly limited to one lifetime.


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    #19174679 - 11/22/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe in your version of it...not in mine.  Mine is pretty clearly limited to one lifetime.




How did you come to that deduction when clearly if you look at individual lives it doesn't always happen.

Examples: The Black Dahlia killer, the Zodiac killer, Deputy Steven Caulkins, T. Cullen Davis, OJ Simpson, the Mexican drug cartel, all the random innocent victims of the Mexican drug cartel, and so forth...


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19174722 - 11/22/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know how much suffering those people have endured in their lives.  Without knowing that and how much suffering they've caused, I can't render an opinion. 

As I've said before in this thread, there are exceptions to every rule.


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    #19174823 - 11/22/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know how much suffering those people have endured in their lives.  Without knowing that and how much suffering they've caused, I can't render an opinion. 




Yet you did. By 1) saying that she deserves it, and 2) Everything works itself out in the end. How do you make this deduction if you don't know how much anybody's suffered, period?

I'm certain that we can all agree that monetary suffering, romantic suffering, sexual suffering, and medical suffering does not nearly equate to the same degree of suffering as torture and murder. Because if Deputy Steven Caulkins, T. Cullen Davis, or OJ Simpson (I'm just using these 3 people cause those are actual names and identities I can provide, as opposed to anonymous identities or arbitrary groups) had endured any of this type of suffering, we would have all heard about it in the media by now.

I mean, to even suggest that so and so suffered just as equally and got "just served" and simply because their wife cheated on them and dumped them for another man, or somebody robbed them at gunpoint, or whatever else, is kind of a slap in the face to what these victims went through. Even the prison system isn't really truly "justice" if you really think about it.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19174873 - 11/22/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't say she deserved it.  I said she PROBABLY deserved it.  I also never said I don't know how much ANYBODY's suffered...just those people you mentioned.  I've never met any of them.

I think OJ has definitely suffered a lot, though.  After all, he is in prison for stealing his own property back.  I don't know whether or not he caused anywhere near as much suffering as he has received, but he may have or he may in the future.

The other two, I know nothing about.

Further, I'm not here to mathematically determine how many  playground shoves equals one assrape.  I'm sure I could ask 1000 people and get 1500 different answers to that question.  You're, of course, entitled to your opinion in thinking that someone got it worse than they gave.  I'm entitled to disagree.


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    #19174884 - 11/22/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That is NOT why OJ is in prison.


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    #19174886 - 11/22/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

T. Cullen Davis was charged with killing his entire family, then acquitted.


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    #19174907 - 11/22/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Then he probably didn't kill his entire family.


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    #19174918 - 11/22/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, he just hired a hitman to do it for his rich ass. then there was insufficient evidence to get a conviction.


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    #19174924 - 11/22/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Or maybe he didn't hire them at all...


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    #19174947 - 11/22/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well, there is evidence that points to him have motive and there was circumstantial evidence, just nothing conclusive.

maybe he didn't hire them at all, or he probably did, and they just couldn't prove it. :shrug: believe it or not, there are TWO distinct possibilities, not just one.


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    #19175065 - 11/22/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Then he probably didn't kill his entire family.



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    #19175117 - 11/22/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He might have.  He might not have.  I certainly don't know one way or another.


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    #19175132 - 11/22/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not only do you not know whether he definitiely did or did not you don't know the degree of probability.  Have you run a T test?


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    #19175145 - 11/22/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The sum total of my knowledge of the case is what I have read in this thread...which means it ain't shit.

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    #19175272 - 11/22/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19175302 - 11/22/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Then he probably didn't kill his entire family.




I can tell you are not familiar with the case.

The survivors actually identified Cullen as the gunman. He was the only one with motive, because his wife was divorcing him and was going to get his multi-million dollar 40-acre home and his money. He was previously ordered not to go within hundreds of perimeters of the house because there was evidence that he abused his wife and children for years. (In one report, he was so angry at his stepdaughter for forgetting to lock the house door at night, that he hit her and took her kitten and smashed it on the floor till it died).

You really think OJ is innocent too because he was acquitted? The defense painted his wife and all the witnesses as not credible witnesses because they were having parties all the time at the house, and therefore were most likely on a heavy cocktail of narcotics at the time they were shot. (We as drug users all knows that even if that were the case you don't mistake people like that  out of the blue, on hallucinogens you might but not on oxy or cocaine).

I can't imagine what his ex-wife must have "deserved" for having her daughter murdered and shot. She died of breast cancer years later. There are no reports of her doing something nearly as bad to anybody else.

The second time he was acquitted for a different crime. They had video evidence of him, ON TAPE, ordering an undercover FBI agent to kill his ex-wife and the same judge that handled his domestic violence case, and he was still found not guilty. :facepalm:

That's what happens when you can get the best defense money can buy. Or the preconceived notion that when you are so wealthy, people have a hard time believing you would risk your entire wealth to kill somebody. I watched an entire episode of the case on the series Behind Mansion Walls.

Season 1 episode 5 "Above the Law": http://movies.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70256410&trkid=13633959


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    #19175399 - 11/22/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

After looking into the case, it appears the Mr. Cullen was indeed innocent of the murders since someone else confessed to them.


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    #19175421 - 11/22/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL^ do you EVER read what you post? a confession doesn't equal a murderer. WOW :lmafo:


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    #19175800 - 11/22/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously.  Do you know how many people falsely confess to murders they didnt commit for their 15 seconds of fame?  For every famous case there's like fifty "confessing sams." Ottis O Toole confessed to something like 100 murders when in reality it was only a couple.

If you further probed into the details, you would have noticed that the killer was waiting inside the house and the alarm system was turned off. Which means the killer was somebody who knew the code to the house. A random serial killer would not know that, unless cullen hired this guy as a hitman. Idk how much more obvious it can be. :facepalm:

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    #19176126 - 11/22/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know what world you live in, but my experience is that people generally don't confess to double murders unless they committed a double murder.

One guy says he didn't do it and another guy admits to doing it.  You'd rather believe they're both lying.  I'd rather believe they're both telling the truth.  The jury also acquitted Cullen.

I'd say it's far more likely that he is innocent than guilty.

And I am a criminal defense attorney.  You must not have gotten the memo.


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    #19177094 - 11/23/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know what world you live in, but my experience is that people generally don't confess to double murders unless they committed a double murder.




Apparently you are unaware of what a Confessing Sam is. Here, let me enlighten you:

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"Confessing Sam" is the term in criminal psychology for a person who makes a false confession after a particularly widely publicised crime has taken place.

Some Confessing Sams will admit to just one infamous crime reported in the media. Others will confess to every infamous crime. Confessing Sams will often continue to maintain their guilt long after police rule them out as suspects.

...More than 50 people confessed to having committed the famous and still unsolved Black Dahlia murder in Los Angeles in 1947. None was ever charged.

At least six people have confessed to being the Zodiac Killer. The Zodiac Killer terrorised San Francisco on a murderous rampage beginning in 1968. One of the confessants is a woman - a "Confessing Samantha". The case is still unsolved.

At last count, 20 individuals have confessed to the 1996 murder of child beauty queen Jon Benet Ramsey.



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/01/the_odd_body_confessing_sam/

This is why you are a defense attorney and not a detective. The reason that detectives fail to disclose all information about a case to the news media, is so whenever they get a confession from somebody, that person is able to corroborate their story with details that were not exposed to the public. A simple confession doesn't mean it is a truthful confession. It could be a ploy to cover up for somebody, achieve a few minutes of fame, a symptom of a mental illness, or a myriad of other things.

That is why police ALWAYS confirm that the person can validate their story with evidence matching the case file, before they ever make an arrest. If their stories don't match, the person's confession will be thrown out and that person won't even be investigated. This serial killer could provide no link or further details to prove that he did it, he simply made a confession. And of course he did it at the perfect time, right before he was about to go to the electric chair, because he likely wanted to buy himself some time and weasel his way out of getting executed.

By the time witnesses get to you, the attorney, they have already been validated as witnesses so you in your line of work would never see "confessing sams." But they are known to exist quite commonly in police and investigative departments, and the more famous the case, the higher the numbers of confessers.

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The jury also acquitted Cullen.




That's because bible-thumping Texans are fucking stupid, and they were even more stupid in the 1970's. Cullen's defense used Priscilla's (his ex-wife's) hard-partying lifestyle to make her seem less credible on the stand. The entire court case wasn't even about Cullen, it was about Priscilla's nature as a "morally loose" woman. Of course this is going to sway dumb religious fundamentalists.

When the defense interviewed Priscilla about her hard-partying lifestyle, one of the jury members was heard to have said, "I knew she was guilty!" When Priscilla in fact, hadn't done ANYTHING WRONG, SHE was the one who was the victim in this entire thing! So that just goes to show you how judgmental they were and how their preconceived notions of her swayed their decision as a jury.

Bear in mind, they also exonerated Cullen for attempting to murder a judge, even though they had ACTUAL VIDEO EVIDENCE of him directing the hit to an undercover FBI agent. :facepalm:

Like I said, money can buy the best defense. That's why OJ is still a free man.

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I'd say it's far more likely that he is innocent than guilty.

And I am a criminal defense attorney.  You must not have gotten the memo.




There is nothing to say he was even in the area at the time of the murder. And then there's the unanswered question: How did this serial killer obtain the alarm code for the security system in the house? There is a REASON the sheriff did not believe the serial killer's story about confessing to these murders.

Like I said, Priscilla and her boyfriend set the alarm on when they left for the evening. The killer disabled the alarm (which means he knew the pin number), and then lured Priscilla's stepdaughter to the basement where he fatally shot her, and then hid in a dark corner of the kitchen waiting for the couple to return.

There's further evidence to suggest that the stepdaughter knew her killer. When his stepdaughter was found lying dead in the basement, her hands weren't even up to try to defend herself, which indicates that she knew the person who was luring her to the basement, he was not some stranger that broke into her house, she was not afraid of him, and probably had no idea what he was luring her to the basement for. If it was a stranger there would have been more evidence of a struggle in the home, or her body would have been curled up in a more defensive position.

More than likely, the reason that this serial killer confessed to these murders, was simply to try to buy himself some more time and be spared from death. If the sheriff were to take his confessions seriously, they would have to spend months investigating his story and trying him for the case, which gives him more time to file appeals for the death penalty. I mean, isn't it fucking obvious that's the reason?

For trying to defend Cullen, you're doing quite poor job of it.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19177108 - 11/23/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not defending anyone..I just said what it appears to be.

FACTS:

1. Cullen was acquitted by a jury.
2. Another person confessed to the crime.

Is that conclusive?  Of course not.  It does, however, leave the appearance that Cullen didn't commit the crime.

It's also possible that the alarm was never set, or that it was disarmed by one of the victims.  Of course, neither you or I know what happened.

In any case, you've convicted this man in your mind even though you've no first hand knowledge and the jury who saw all of the evidence wasn't convinced.

And in what reality is OJ "still a free man"?


P.S.  Confessing would, in no way, delay his execution.  That's just crime drama fiction, and he was executed as scheduled shortly after his confession.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19177153 - 11/23/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Confession is all we need.


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    #19177166 - 11/23/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19177174 - 11/23/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not defending anyone..I just said what it appears to be.

FACTS:
1. Cullen was acquitted by a jury.
2. Another person confessed to the crime.

Is that conclusive?  Of course not.  It does, however, leave the appearance that Cullen didn't commit the crime.




Apparently, another reason people acquitted him, was because the jury found it difficult to believe that a billionaire would risk all of his worth just to kill somebody. That is why they found him not guilty of attempting to assassinate a judge, even though THERE'S CLEAR VIDEO EVIDENCE OF HIM DOING IT (and I did see the video myself, they played it in the episode about Cullen Davis). This line of thinking is the entire reason that celebrities and rich people get away with so much shit.

Like I said, the state of Texas is full of inept retards who are bible-thumping Christian fundamentalists, and therefore do not think with their brain. You would think with something as obvious as video evidence basically screaming "I DID IT YOU RETARDS" they would get the picture.

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It's also possible that the alarm was never set, or that it was disarmed by one of the victims.  Of course, neither you or I know what happened.




Nowadays alarm histories are monitored and its history can be traced through the alarm company, although I am not sure if this was available in the 1970's. Supposedly it was the best alarm system available back then, so maybe there was?

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P.S.  Confessing would, in no way, delay his execution.  That's just crime drama fiction, and he was executed as scheduled shortly after his confession.




He also confessed to about a dozen other cases before his execution, none of which could be substantiated (on page 522): http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1239&context=wmborj

He could be trolling the state department, for all we know. Just like how Ottis supposedly claimed responsibility for over 100 murders all over the USA from state to state, until a news journalist actually tracked where he actually was during that time, and it was nowhere near those states he claimed to have committed murder in. He took joy in trolling the police and giving them information that would knowingly throw them for a loop.

Even is he was the killer, this also doesn't rule out that he was a hitman hired by Cullen Davis himself. Billy admits in another source, that he was hitman that was killing as a means of making money and surviving:

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"Tell Mama and the kids I love you; I love all of you. And I would like to clear some things up if I could. Tommy Perkins, the man that got a capital life sentence for murdering Kinslow - he did not do it. I did it. He would not even have had anything to do with it if he had known I was going to shoot the man. He would not have gone with me if he had known. I was paid to shoot the man. And Martin, the younger boy, did not know what it was about. He thought it was just a robbery. I am sorry for that.

"It was nothing personal. I was trying to make a living. A boy on Eastham doing a life sentence for killing Jamie Kent - I did not do it, but I was with his daddy when it was done. I was there with him and down through the years there were several more that I had done or had a part of. And I am sorry and I am not sure how many - there must be a dozen or 14 I believe all total. One I would like to clear up is Cullen Davis - where he was charged with shooting his wife. And all of these it was never nothing personal. It was just something I did to make a living. I am sorry for all the grief I have caused. I love you all. That is all I have to say."




I mean, just think about it logically for a second. Cullen Davis might have been acquitted, but considering the fact that VIDEO EVIDENCE exists of him attempting to assassinate a hit on his wife and the judge, it actually makes it quite likely that he initiated the original hit (or did it himself), and was attempting to try again when he found out his wife survived the ordeal.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19177216 - 11/23/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

...Inept retards are everywhere. Singling out any one area on this planet is pretty silly.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19177221 - 11/23/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I did see the video myself, they played it in the episode about Cullen Davis



That is extremely odd since it was an AUDIO tape and not a video tape.

I'm not sure why you'd lie about this detail, but it certainly hurts your credibility.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19177319 - 11/23/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I did see the video myself, they played it in the episode about Cullen Davis



That is extremely odd since it was an AUDIO tape and not a video tape.

I'm not sure why you'd lie about this detail, but it certainly hurts your credibility.




The person baiting Cullen was wearing a wire yes, so that is what the audio tape would be. However, there were FBI informants in another car taking photographic evidence from far away. My bad, I just watched that part of the episode again, and they were actually taking photographs from far away. The way that it was shown from the lens' point of view in this episode made it look like it was a video they were taking.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19177332 - 11/23/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

An expert on forensic discourse analysis testified that the tape indicated that Davis was playing along with the intention of turning the other guy in to the FBI.

Of course, that case is completely irrelevant to the murder case.

You think he killed his family.  I'm not convinced he did.  I'm also not convinced OJ killed Nicole and Ron.  I need more than media hype and a righteous lust for justice to convince me of someone's guilt.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19178747 - 11/23/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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An expert on forensic discourse analysis testified that the tape indicated that Davis was playing along with the intention of turning the other guy in to the FBI.




And how did he tell that specifically? He's getting paid large amounts by Cullen's defense, of course he's going to say whatever.

If he was working for the FBI, howcome on the stand he couldn't name a single person that was working with him? Or did he?

Congratulations. You have successfully killed another one of my friends. :facepalm:

You've turned to a subliminal troll from being an overt troll.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19178757 - 11/23/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't troll at all.  I stated a sincere opinion, and YOU debated me on it for hours.  Your thread is far better because of it.


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    #19180827 - 11/23/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't troll at all.  I stated a sincere opinion, and YOU debated me on it for hours.  Your thread is far better because of it.




I'm sure you are aware as an attorney in the criminal field, that a great majority (something like over 80%) of people on murder trials proceed as not guilty. Even when it is plainly obvious that they are guilty, such as fingerprint evidence and witnesses placing them at the scene of the crime. The fact that Cullen Davis would claim he didn't do it doesn't surprise me at all. Pretty much anybody who is questioned of any crime never admits to doing it, except for a few who have a subconscious guilt that inclines them to blurt things out.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19181533 - 11/24/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, I DO know the statistics, and you're incorrect about them.  For murder trials, about 40-45% plead guilty.  About 40% are convicted at trial, and about 5% are acquitted at trial.  The rest are dismissed in pretrial phase for one reason or another.

Mr. Cullen was in the 5%.  That doesn't necessarily mean he's innocent, but it also means I'm not going to assume he's guilty without a compelling reason.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19182924 - 11/24/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so you're gonna be useless? great. we all should have known.


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