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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19174924 - 11/22/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Or maybe he didn't hire them at all...


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19174947 - 11/22/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well, there is evidence that points to him have motive and there was circumstantial evidence, just nothing conclusive.

maybe he didn't hire them at all, or he probably did, and they just couldn't prove it. :shrug: believe it or not, there are TWO distinct possibilities, not just one.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19175065 - 11/22/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Then he probably didn't kill his entire family.



But he might have.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19175117 - 11/22/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He might have.  He might not have.  I certainly don't know one way or another.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19175132 - 11/22/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not only do you not know whether he definitiely did or did not you don't know the degree of probability.  Have you run a T test?


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19175145 - 11/22/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The sum total of my knowledge of the case is what I have read in this thread...which means it ain't shit.

So...no.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19175272 - 11/22/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19175302 - 11/22/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Then he probably didn't kill his entire family.




I can tell you are not familiar with the case.

The survivors actually identified Cullen as the gunman. He was the only one with motive, because his wife was divorcing him and was going to get his multi-million dollar 40-acre home and his money. He was previously ordered not to go within hundreds of perimeters of the house because there was evidence that he abused his wife and children for years. (In one report, he was so angry at his stepdaughter for forgetting to lock the house door at night, that he hit her and took her kitten and smashed it on the floor till it died).

You really think OJ is innocent too because he was acquitted? The defense painted his wife and all the witnesses as not credible witnesses because they were having parties all the time at the house, and therefore were most likely on a heavy cocktail of narcotics at the time they were shot. (We as drug users all knows that even if that were the case you don't mistake people like that  out of the blue, on hallucinogens you might but not on oxy or cocaine).

I can't imagine what his ex-wife must have "deserved" for having her daughter murdered and shot. She died of breast cancer years later. There are no reports of her doing something nearly as bad to anybody else.

The second time he was acquitted for a different crime. They had video evidence of him, ON TAPE, ordering an undercover FBI agent to kill his ex-wife and the same judge that handled his domestic violence case, and he was still found not guilty. :facepalm:

That's what happens when you can get the best defense money can buy. Or the preconceived notion that when you are so wealthy, people have a hard time believing you would risk your entire wealth to kill somebody. I watched an entire episode of the case on the series Behind Mansion Walls.

Season 1 episode 5 "Above the Law": http://movies.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70256410&trkid=13633959


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19175399 - 11/22/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

After looking into the case, it appears the Mr. Cullen was indeed innocent of the murders since someone else confessed to them.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] * 3
    #19175421 - 11/22/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

LOL^ do you EVER read what you post? a confession doesn't equal a murderer. WOW :lmafo:


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #19175800 - 11/22/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously.  Do you know how many people falsely confess to murders they didnt commit for their 15 seconds of fame?  For every famous case there's like fifty "confessing sams." Ottis O Toole confessed to something like 100 murders when in reality it was only a couple.

If you further probed into the details, you would have noticed that the killer was waiting inside the house and the alarm system was turned off. Which means the killer was somebody who knew the code to the house. A random serial killer would not know that, unless cullen hired this guy as a hitman. Idk how much more obvious it can be. :facepalm:

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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19176126 - 11/22/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know what world you live in, but my experience is that people generally don't confess to double murders unless they committed a double murder.

One guy says he didn't do it and another guy admits to doing it.  You'd rather believe they're both lying.  I'd rather believe they're both telling the truth.  The jury also acquitted Cullen.

I'd say it's far more likely that he is innocent than guilty.

And I am a criminal defense attorney.  You must not have gotten the memo.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19177094 - 11/23/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know what world you live in, but my experience is that people generally don't confess to double murders unless they committed a double murder.




Apparently you are unaware of what a Confessing Sam is. Here, let me enlighten you:

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"Confessing Sam" is the term in criminal psychology for a person who makes a false confession after a particularly widely publicised crime has taken place.

Some Confessing Sams will admit to just one infamous crime reported in the media. Others will confess to every infamous crime. Confessing Sams will often continue to maintain their guilt long after police rule them out as suspects.

...More than 50 people confessed to having committed the famous and still unsolved Black Dahlia murder in Los Angeles in 1947. None was ever charged.

At least six people have confessed to being the Zodiac Killer. The Zodiac Killer terrorised San Francisco on a murderous rampage beginning in 1968. One of the confessants is a woman - a "Confessing Samantha". The case is still unsolved.

At last count, 20 individuals have confessed to the 1996 murder of child beauty queen Jon Benet Ramsey.



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/01/the_odd_body_confessing_sam/

This is why you are a defense attorney and not a detective. The reason that detectives fail to disclose all information about a case to the news media, is so whenever they get a confession from somebody, that person is able to corroborate their story with details that were not exposed to the public. A simple confession doesn't mean it is a truthful confession. It could be a ploy to cover up for somebody, achieve a few minutes of fame, a symptom of a mental illness, or a myriad of other things.

That is why police ALWAYS confirm that the person can validate their story with evidence matching the case file, before they ever make an arrest. If their stories don't match, the person's confession will be thrown out and that person won't even be investigated. This serial killer could provide no link or further details to prove that he did it, he simply made a confession. And of course he did it at the perfect time, right before he was about to go to the electric chair, because he likely wanted to buy himself some time and weasel his way out of getting executed.

By the time witnesses get to you, the attorney, they have already been validated as witnesses so you in your line of work would never see "confessing sams." But they are known to exist quite commonly in police and investigative departments, and the more famous the case, the higher the numbers of confessers.

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The jury also acquitted Cullen.




That's because bible-thumping Texans are fucking stupid, and they were even more stupid in the 1970's. Cullen's defense used Priscilla's (his ex-wife's) hard-partying lifestyle to make her seem less credible on the stand. The entire court case wasn't even about Cullen, it was about Priscilla's nature as a "morally loose" woman. Of course this is going to sway dumb religious fundamentalists.

When the defense interviewed Priscilla about her hard-partying lifestyle, one of the jury members was heard to have said, "I knew she was guilty!" When Priscilla in fact, hadn't done ANYTHING WRONG, SHE was the one who was the victim in this entire thing! So that just goes to show you how judgmental they were and how their preconceived notions of her swayed their decision as a jury.

Bear in mind, they also exonerated Cullen for attempting to murder a judge, even though they had ACTUAL VIDEO EVIDENCE of him directing the hit to an undercover FBI agent. :facepalm:

Like I said, money can buy the best defense. That's why OJ is still a free man.

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I'd say it's far more likely that he is innocent than guilty.

And I am a criminal defense attorney.  You must not have gotten the memo.




There is nothing to say he was even in the area at the time of the murder. And then there's the unanswered question: How did this serial killer obtain the alarm code for the security system in the house? There is a REASON the sheriff did not believe the serial killer's story about confessing to these murders.

Like I said, Priscilla and her boyfriend set the alarm on when they left for the evening. The killer disabled the alarm (which means he knew the pin number), and then lured Priscilla's stepdaughter to the basement where he fatally shot her, and then hid in a dark corner of the kitchen waiting for the couple to return.

There's further evidence to suggest that the stepdaughter knew her killer. When his stepdaughter was found lying dead in the basement, her hands weren't even up to try to defend herself, which indicates that she knew the person who was luring her to the basement, he was not some stranger that broke into her house, she was not afraid of him, and probably had no idea what he was luring her to the basement for. If it was a stranger there would have been more evidence of a struggle in the home, or her body would have been curled up in a more defensive position.

More than likely, the reason that this serial killer confessed to these murders, was simply to try to buy himself some more time and be spared from death. If the sheriff were to take his confessions seriously, they would have to spend months investigating his story and trying him for the case, which gives him more time to file appeals for the death penalty. I mean, isn't it fucking obvious that's the reason?

For trying to defend Cullen, you're doing quite poor job of it.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19177108 - 11/23/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not defending anyone..I just said what it appears to be.

FACTS:

1. Cullen was acquitted by a jury.
2. Another person confessed to the crime.

Is that conclusive?  Of course not.  It does, however, leave the appearance that Cullen didn't commit the crime.

It's also possible that the alarm was never set, or that it was disarmed by one of the victims.  Of course, neither you or I know what happened.

In any case, you've convicted this man in your mind even though you've no first hand knowledge and the jury who saw all of the evidence wasn't convinced.

And in what reality is OJ "still a free man"?


P.S.  Confessing would, in no way, delay his execution.  That's just crime drama fiction, and he was executed as scheduled shortly after his confession.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19177153 - 11/23/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Confession is all we need.


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    #19177166 - 11/23/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19177174 - 11/23/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not defending anyone..I just said what it appears to be.

FACTS:
1. Cullen was acquitted by a jury.
2. Another person confessed to the crime.

Is that conclusive?  Of course not.  It does, however, leave the appearance that Cullen didn't commit the crime.




Apparently, another reason people acquitted him, was because the jury found it difficult to believe that a billionaire would risk all of his worth just to kill somebody. That is why they found him not guilty of attempting to assassinate a judge, even though THERE'S CLEAR VIDEO EVIDENCE OF HIM DOING IT (and I did see the video myself, they played it in the episode about Cullen Davis). This line of thinking is the entire reason that celebrities and rich people get away with so much shit.

Like I said, the state of Texas is full of inept retards who are bible-thumping Christian fundamentalists, and therefore do not think with their brain. You would think with something as obvious as video evidence basically screaming "I DID IT YOU RETARDS" they would get the picture.

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It's also possible that the alarm was never set, or that it was disarmed by one of the victims.  Of course, neither you or I know what happened.




Nowadays alarm histories are monitored and its history can be traced through the alarm company, although I am not sure if this was available in the 1970's. Supposedly it was the best alarm system available back then, so maybe there was?

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P.S.  Confessing would, in no way, delay his execution.  That's just crime drama fiction, and he was executed as scheduled shortly after his confession.




He also confessed to about a dozen other cases before his execution, none of which could be substantiated (on page 522): http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1239&context=wmborj

He could be trolling the state department, for all we know. Just like how Ottis supposedly claimed responsibility for over 100 murders all over the USA from state to state, until a news journalist actually tracked where he actually was during that time, and it was nowhere near those states he claimed to have committed murder in. He took joy in trolling the police and giving them information that would knowingly throw them for a loop.

Even is he was the killer, this also doesn't rule out that he was a hitman hired by Cullen Davis himself. Billy admits in another source, that he was hitman that was killing as a means of making money and surviving:

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"Tell Mama and the kids I love you; I love all of you. And I would like to clear some things up if I could. Tommy Perkins, the man that got a capital life sentence for murdering Kinslow - he did not do it. I did it. He would not even have had anything to do with it if he had known I was going to shoot the man. He would not have gone with me if he had known. I was paid to shoot the man. And Martin, the younger boy, did not know what it was about. He thought it was just a robbery. I am sorry for that.

"It was nothing personal. I was trying to make a living. A boy on Eastham doing a life sentence for killing Jamie Kent - I did not do it, but I was with his daddy when it was done. I was there with him and down through the years there were several more that I had done or had a part of. And I am sorry and I am not sure how many - there must be a dozen or 14 I believe all total. One I would like to clear up is Cullen Davis - where he was charged with shooting his wife. And all of these it was never nothing personal. It was just something I did to make a living. I am sorry for all the grief I have caused. I love you all. That is all I have to say."




I mean, just think about it logically for a second. Cullen Davis might have been acquitted, but considering the fact that VIDEO EVIDENCE exists of him attempting to assassinate a hit on his wife and the judge, it actually makes it quite likely that he initiated the original hit (or did it himself), and was attempting to try again when he found out his wife survived the ordeal.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19177216 - 11/23/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

...Inept retards are everywhere. Singling out any one area on this planet is pretty silly.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
    #19177221 - 11/23/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I did see the video myself, they played it in the episode about Cullen Davis



That is extremely odd since it was an AUDIO tape and not a video tape.

I'm not sure why you'd lie about this detail, but it certainly hurts your credibility.


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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
    #19177319 - 11/23/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I did see the video myself, they played it in the episode about Cullen Davis



That is extremely odd since it was an AUDIO tape and not a video tape.

I'm not sure why you'd lie about this detail, but it certainly hurts your credibility.




The person baiting Cullen was wearing a wire yes, so that is what the audio tape would be. However, there were FBI informants in another car taking photographic evidence from far away. My bad, I just watched that part of the episode again, and they were actually taking photographs from far away. The way that it was shown from the lens' point of view in this episode made it look like it was a video they were taking.


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